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	<title>Comments on: Let not thy left hand know that thy light so shines before men</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

Isn&#039;t that also an issue of selflessness: the family is so concerned about their self-image, about how they appear to the world, that they are not willing to own up to their situation: the reality that they are struggling financially. I know this will sounds too strong, but there is a word for that: delusion. The active denial of the reality of the situation, all to &quot;save face&quot;. So, even on that level, there is still this difficult balance needed (i.e. without becoming needy and attention grabbing) to have genuine selflessness, even on the receiving side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that also an issue of selflessness: the family is so concerned about their self-image, about how they appear to the world, that they are not willing to own up to their situation: the reality that they are struggling financially. I know this will sounds too strong, but there is a word for that: delusion. The active denial of the reality of the situation, all to &#8220;save face&#8221;. So, even on that level, there is still this difficult balance needed (i.e. without becoming needy and attention grabbing) to have genuine selflessness, even on the receiving side.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/11/let-not-thy-left-hand-know-that-thy-light-so-shines-before-men/#comment-302000</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference comes in what follows the &quot;let your light so shine&quot; passage. In that, it states that we should do so with the intent of bringing glory to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference comes in what follows the &#8220;let your light so shine&#8221; passage. In that, it states that we should do so with the intent of bringing glory to God.</p>
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		<title>By: WJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>WJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Matt. I think a good example of this dilemma is Mormons cleaning up after natural disasters clad in bright yellow &quot;Mormon Helping Hands&quot; shirts. They&#039;re doing a very good thing, while making sure everyone knows they&#039;re doing that good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Matt. I think a good example of this dilemma is Mormons cleaning up after natural disasters clad in bright yellow &#8220;Mormon Helping Hands&#8221; shirts. They&#8217;re doing a very good thing, while making sure everyone knows they&#8217;re doing that good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a practical struggle that goes along with this scriptural contradiction.  

Our ward is really looking for ways to give meaningful service where the participants can actually see the benefit their service provides.  It&#039;s harder to learn to give when what&#039;s given just seems to disappear.

On the other hand, we have several families really struggling because of the economy who could use a little service and charity right now.

Perfect match, right?  Wrong.  The struggling families are new to the experience, and don&#039;t want to be publicly seen as needing charity.  Consequently, they&#039;ve received quiet anonymous assistance from some very Christian members (as well as directly from the church).

The problem is, the people most needing the experience to give (eg., the youth) completely miss out on it, and the connections of mutual love and appreciation that come from serving each other are missed.

Part of me cries out that if we as a Christian people can&#039;t somehow breach this gap, then what good are we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a practical struggle that goes along with this scriptural contradiction.  </p>
<p>Our ward is really looking for ways to give meaningful service where the participants can actually see the benefit their service provides.  It&#8217;s harder to learn to give when what&#8217;s given just seems to disappear.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we have several families really struggling because of the economy who could use a little service and charity right now.</p>
<p>Perfect match, right?  Wrong.  The struggling families are new to the experience, and don&#8217;t want to be publicly seen as needing charity.  Consequently, they&#8217;ve received quiet anonymous assistance from some very Christian members (as well as directly from the church).</p>
<p>The problem is, the people most needing the experience to give (eg., the youth) completely miss out on it, and the connections of mutual love and appreciation that come from serving each other are missed.</p>
<p>Part of me cries out that if we as a Christian people can&#8217;t somehow breach this gap, then what good are we?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I agree that the ideal is to do what is right without concern for social rewards, but that is true for everything, not just charitable giving.  

Rick, the recipient benefits the same whether the giver is trying to glorify God or make his girlfriend think he&#039;s a generous chap.  
My point is to question how strongly we focus the moral analysis on the motives of the giver rather than the relief provided the recipient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I agree that the ideal is to do what is right without concern for social rewards, but that is true for everything, not just charitable giving.  </p>
<p>Rick, the recipient benefits the same whether the giver is trying to glorify God or make his girlfriend think he&#8217;s a generous chap.<br />
My point is to question how strongly we focus the moral analysis on the motives of the giver rather than the relief provided the recipient.</p>
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		<title>By: kumquats in clover</title>
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		<dc:creator>kumquats in clover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this experience I had as a child will help reconcile the warring scriptural injunctions. I was 8 years old. A new family with a boy my age moved into the branch around mid October.

By mid December we were close buddies, and he reported that his mother told him they couldn&#039;t afford a Christmas tree that year. My mother caught wind of this, and (since we always went out to a leased ranch property to cut our own tree for free) determined to provide the new family with a Christmas tree. 

When we delivered the tree, we did so anonymously. They had no idea where that tree came from. The family was very grateful, but they couldn&#039;t thank us....they didn&#039;t know our identity. But they did thank someone.

On their knees that evening in family prayer. 

That is the focus of the scripture, which reads:

&quot;Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.&quot;

It is the good works that we must shine a light on, not on the worker. When that focus is maintained, the receiver&#039;s sincerely felt thanks and praise and (on rare occasions of dire need) even effusive devotion will be voiced toward the only really worthy recipient of those expressions of gratitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this experience I had as a child will help reconcile the warring scriptural injunctions. I was 8 years old. A new family with a boy my age moved into the branch around mid October.</p>
<p>By mid December we were close buddies, and he reported that his mother told him they couldn&#8217;t afford a Christmas tree that year. My mother caught wind of this, and (since we always went out to a leased ranch property to cut our own tree for free) determined to provide the new family with a Christmas tree. </p>
<p>When we delivered the tree, we did so anonymously. They had no idea where that tree came from. The family was very grateful, but they couldn&#8217;t thank us&#8230;.they didn&#8217;t know our identity. But they did thank someone.</p>
<p>On their knees that evening in family prayer. </p>
<p>That is the focus of the scripture, which reads:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is the good works that we must shine a light on, not on the worker. When that focus is maintained, the receiver&#8217;s sincerely felt thanks and praise and (on rare occasions of dire need) even effusive devotion will be voiced toward the only really worthy recipient of those expressions of gratitude.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with 12 and 13.  We should do good regardless of whether someone knows or gives us credit.  When I was growing up, I heard quite frequently, &quot;It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit.&quot;

The passage of not letting the right hand know what the left hand is doing, in my opinion, goes to not seeking credit for the good we do.  

The passage about letting the light shine does not contradict that.  It suggests that people should see the good we do to&quot;glorify God,&quot; not to give us credit.  Thus, we can let our anonymous good works be seen, which allow people to give credit to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with 12 and 13.  We should do good regardless of whether someone knows or gives us credit.  When I was growing up, I heard quite frequently, &#8220;It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit.&#8221;</p>
<p>The passage of not letting the right hand know what the left hand is doing, in my opinion, goes to not seeking credit for the good we do.  </p>
<p>The passage about letting the light shine does not contradict that.  It suggests that people should see the good we do to&#8221;glorify God,&#8221; not to give us credit.  Thus, we can let our anonymous good works be seen, which allow people to give credit to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the difference is in motivation?  With alms and prayer, the hypocrites discussed aren&#039;t really trying to better someone else&#039;s life (or their own spiritual life) with their actions.  They&#039;re just trying to better their own social standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the difference is in motivation?  With alms and prayer, the hypocrites discussed aren&#8217;t really trying to better someone else&#8217;s life (or their own spiritual life) with their actions.  They&#8217;re just trying to better their own social standing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &#039;answer&#039;, if there is just one, is that we are to cultivate selfless giving so that &quot;social rewards&quot; don&#039;t matter and are inconsequential to the giving. It is unfortunate that we as a culture are duped into the behavioristic/selfishness-based understanding of action when there is a wide store of selfless action that we can tap into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8216;answer&#8217;, if there is just one, is that we are to cultivate selfless giving so that &#8220;social rewards&#8221; don&#8217;t matter and are inconsequential to the giving. It is unfortunate that we as a culture are duped into the behavioristic/selfishness-based understanding of action when there is a wide store of selfless action that we can tap into.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Nielson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Nielson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to believe in a &#039;golden mean&#039; where moderation in all (on nearly all, or many..) things is a virtue.  Thus extreme cases of just about anything can be a negative thing.  Thus keeping ALL good deeds secret is likely not the right thing to do.  Neither is broadcasting EVERY good deed.  Thus the scriptures warn about excessive behaviors of both ends of the spectrum, and so being somewhere in the middle is likely where we should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to believe in a &#8216;golden mean&#8217; where moderation in all (on nearly all, or many..) things is a virtue.  Thus extreme cases of just about anything can be a negative thing.  Thus keeping ALL good deeds secret is likely not the right thing to do.  Neither is broadcasting EVERY good deed.  Thus the scriptures warn about excessive behaviors of both ends of the spectrum, and so being somewhere in the middle is likely where we should be.</p>
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