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		<title>By: Di</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/07/when-are-we-in-a-ward/#comment-295808</link>
		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Danithew &amp; I discuss this topic on an intermittent basis.  When we first moved here, we were genuinely suprised by the &#039;you&#039;re a waste of my time because you might not stay&#039; attitude.  A member from our previous ward shared some insightful personal thoughts:

http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/01/28/a-giant-revolving-door.htm#more-151

We&#039;ve been in several wards and differing circumstances, but I *LOVE* our current ward because the leadership vocalize at the pulpit a collective acceptance of one another despite how long people will be around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Danithew &amp; I discuss this topic on an intermittent basis.  When we first moved here, we were genuinely suprised by the &#8216;you&#8217;re a waste of my time because you might not stay&#8217; attitude.  A member from our previous ward shared some insightful personal thoughts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/01/28/a-giant-revolving-door.htm#more-151" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormonmentality.org/2007/01/28/a-giant-revolving-door.htm#more-151</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been in several wards and differing circumstances, but I *LOVE* our current ward because the leadership vocalize at the pulpit a collective acceptance of one another despite how long people will be around.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/07/when-are-we-in-a-ward/#comment-295672</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate all the comments here, and the encouragement to just &quot;get involved&quot;.  

I know I&#039;ve often tried to ask those who are former missionaries which ward/branch they felt closest to -- those where they had the choicest memories; and then asked them how long they were there.  Usually the answer is 6 months, or 8 months tops!  That helps us all realize how little time is required to have an impact on our own lives and on the people around us.

On the other hand, I well remember some ward members in New England who just had a hard time getting involved with people who they knew would be leaving.  It was truly an emotional withdrawal for them, since they felt that it was very painful for them to see people enter their lives and then leave.  And I could understand, even if I knew that they might be missing out on a blessing in their life or the opportunity to be of help and service to someone else.

Hopefully we can all bloom where we are planted.  For me, I only have to follow the example of my wife who loves everyone and adopts all strangers :-)

DB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate all the comments here, and the encouragement to just &#8220;get involved&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I know I&#8217;ve often tried to ask those who are former missionaries which ward/branch they felt closest to &#8212; those where they had the choicest memories; and then asked them how long they were there.  Usually the answer is 6 months, or 8 months tops!  That helps us all realize how little time is required to have an impact on our own lives and on the people around us.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I well remember some ward members in New England who just had a hard time getting involved with people who they knew would be leaving.  It was truly an emotional withdrawal for them, since they felt that it was very painful for them to see people enter their lives and then leave.  And I could understand, even if I knew that they might be missing out on a blessing in their life or the opportunity to be of help and service to someone else.</p>
<p>Hopefully we can all bloom where we are planted.  For me, I only have to follow the example of my wife who loves everyone and adopts all strangers :-)</p>
<p>DB</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With 20 years in the  military, and moving 4 times in the 15 years since then, my experience is that, while there can be a good deal of inertia among members who have been in one place a long time and have their established friends and family, you can &quot;break through&quot; into the consciousness of those folks and of the people who extend callings by your own participation, both in classes and quorums, and in showing up to do volunteer assignments, such as service projects or ward choir.  In wards where the leaders are not actively seeking to know everyone, it has taken me six months or so to get into the consciousness of those issuing callings. Several times it has been through volunteering to teach a class in the regular teacher&#039;s absence. 

I think children in a ward connect people.  They meet each other in classes and activities, and you teach other people&#039;s kids and vice versa.  I was visiting our daughter&#039;s former ward in Boise a couple of years ago, and for Father&#039;s Day they had a group of Unknown Dads with paper sacks on their heads stand in front of the Primary and take turns answering questions from the kids.  It was amazing to see children recognize the Dads of their friends, based on visits to their friends&#039; homes.  

In my last ward, I went from being a temporary substitute Gospel Doctrine teacher to the regular one so seamlessly that they forgot to set me apart for several months.  I kept that calling for 8 years, which I didn&#039;t mind at all since I enjoy it more than anything else I&#039;ve done.  I&#039;ve worked my way into that calling in my three previous wards.  The key each time was participating actively in class and volunteering when they needed a substitute.  I am subbing teaching Gospel Doctrine for the first time in my new ward next Sunday, so it may eventually happen again.  

Incidentally, the ward we moved into now is a splinter of the ward we moved into 12 years ago, which we left three years later.  Between ward splits and people moving in and out, 80% of the ward is different from the one we left.  

If you want people to know you, you need to learn who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With 20 years in the  military, and moving 4 times in the 15 years since then, my experience is that, while there can be a good deal of inertia among members who have been in one place a long time and have their established friends and family, you can &#8220;break through&#8221; into the consciousness of those folks and of the people who extend callings by your own participation, both in classes and quorums, and in showing up to do volunteer assignments, such as service projects or ward choir.  In wards where the leaders are not actively seeking to know everyone, it has taken me six months or so to get into the consciousness of those issuing callings. Several times it has been through volunteering to teach a class in the regular teacher&#8217;s absence. </p>
<p>I think children in a ward connect people.  They meet each other in classes and activities, and you teach other people&#8217;s kids and vice versa.  I was visiting our daughter&#8217;s former ward in Boise a couple of years ago, and for Father&#8217;s Day they had a group of Unknown Dads with paper sacks on their heads stand in front of the Primary and take turns answering questions from the kids.  It was amazing to see children recognize the Dads of their friends, based on visits to their friends&#8217; homes.  </p>
<p>In my last ward, I went from being a temporary substitute Gospel Doctrine teacher to the regular one so seamlessly that they forgot to set me apart for several months.  I kept that calling for 8 years, which I didn&#8217;t mind at all since I enjoy it more than anything else I&#8217;ve done.  I&#8217;ve worked my way into that calling in my three previous wards.  The key each time was participating actively in class and volunteering when they needed a substitute.  I am subbing teaching Gospel Doctrine for the first time in my new ward next Sunday, so it may eventually happen again.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, the ward we moved into now is a splinter of the ward we moved into 12 years ago, which we left three years later.  Between ward splits and people moving in and out, 80% of the ward is different from the one we left.  </p>
<p>If you want people to know you, you need to learn who they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ward we attend here in Philly is very transitory.  About half the members are graduate students, and the rest is split between inner city members (who are all members less than 5 years) and life-long members who live in the outskirts of the city.  

My husband is a medical student, so while we are &quot;short term&quot; (4 years) he has been called as Elders Quorum President and I am in the RS Presidency.  I often get frustrated when I see other students &quot;checking out&quot; for the two to four years that they are here.  We so desperately need them, no matter how long they are in town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ward we attend here in Philly is very transitory.  About half the members are graduate students, and the rest is split between inner city members (who are all members less than 5 years) and life-long members who live in the outskirts of the city.  </p>
<p>My husband is a medical student, so while we are &#8220;short term&#8221; (4 years) he has been called as Elders Quorum President and I am in the RS Presidency.  I often get frustrated when I see other students &#8220;checking out&#8221; for the two to four years that they are here.  We so desperately need them, no matter how long they are in town.</p>
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		<title>By: MarenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just made a temporary move to a new unit and am wondering how I fit in and whether these folks will allow me to get to know them. 

As I stood up to introduce myself in RS last week, the person conducting asked if I was short-term or long-term. I winced and answered, &quot;That depends on your definition.&quot; I knew the ward gets a lot of 4-6 month members and I didn&#039;t want them to disregard me on day one, even though my stay will be twice that length. 

All these people are my potential friends; the only thing missing is enough shared experiences that expose the best parts of our souls. And I think that holds true for anyone around me- in or out of the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just made a temporary move to a new unit and am wondering how I fit in and whether these folks will allow me to get to know them. </p>
<p>As I stood up to introduce myself in RS last week, the person conducting asked if I was short-term or long-term. I winced and answered, &#8220;That depends on your definition.&#8221; I knew the ward gets a lot of 4-6 month members and I didn&#8217;t want them to disregard me on day one, even though my stay will be twice that length. </p>
<p>All these people are my potential friends; the only thing missing is enough shared experiences that expose the best parts of our souls. And I think that holds true for anyone around me- in or out of the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this post; it speaks to a real problem that I think is happening all over.

Although it is understandable, I think, that someone prioritizes the permanent over the temporary, the risk is that we become out of touch with the temporal flux of life. I believe, though my behavior doesn&#039;t often show it, that even very brief encounters with certain people can be very meaningful. Even if you never see them again. Of course, a belief in eternal life and (near) universal salvation might be important to mention here. I suspect that some people we will be closest to in the hereafter are people who we were close to here, even for very brief periods of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this post; it speaks to a real problem that I think is happening all over.</p>
<p>Although it is understandable, I think, that someone prioritizes the permanent over the temporary, the risk is that we become out of touch with the temporal flux of life. I believe, though my behavior doesn&#8217;t often show it, that even very brief encounters with certain people can be very meaningful. Even if you never see them again. Of course, a belief in eternal life and (near) universal salvation might be important to mention here. I suspect that some people we will be closest to in the hereafter are people who we were close to here, even for very brief periods of time.</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even if you’re only going to be somewhere a short period of time, it will be to everyone’s benefit to act as though you are permanent.&quot;

Exactly.  I was in six different wards in the six years after I graduated college, one of them twice, and never for more than about nineteen months at a time.  I was never called on to speak in sacrament meeting, but I somehow managed to get called as membership clerk in three of those wards.  While I sent off my own record all three times I did feel like part of the ward by then, at least at some level.

I&#039;ve been in my current ward for six and a half years, and to some extent I still feel like I&#039;m on the margin.  Maybe it&#039;s the fact that I came into the ward with a stake calling, and I still hold that calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if you’re only going to be somewhere a short period of time, it will be to everyone’s benefit to act as though you are permanent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  I was in six different wards in the six years after I graduated college, one of them twice, and never for more than about nineteen months at a time.  I was never called on to speak in sacrament meeting, but I somehow managed to get called as membership clerk in three of those wards.  While I sent off my own record all three times I did feel like part of the ward by then, at least at some level.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in my current ward for six and a half years, and to some extent I still feel like I&#8217;m on the margin.  Maybe it&#8217;s the fact that I came into the ward with a stake calling, and I still hold that calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Rasmussen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Rasmussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ironic that someone will pray to get a job that temporarily moves them to a different place and then say &quot;I&#039;m not going to get involved because I won&#039;t be here long.&quot;  Equally ironic when a Bishop, Relief Society President, etc. will pray for someone to fill a calling and that person moves in temporarily but is then then ignored outright.  We sometimes forget what the Lord has planned for us and don&#039;t make the most of things when we could be blessing others or they could be blessing us.

I have been treated that way, blessed when not treated that way, and probably guilty of being that way myself since I&#039;m not perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ironic that someone will pray to get a job that temporarily moves them to a different place and then say &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to get involved because I won&#8217;t be here long.&#8221;  Equally ironic when a Bishop, Relief Society President, etc. will pray for someone to fill a calling and that person moves in temporarily but is then then ignored outright.  We sometimes forget what the Lord has planned for us and don&#8217;t make the most of things when we could be blessing others or they could be blessing us.</p>
<p>I have been treated that way, blessed when not treated that way, and probably guilty of being that way myself since I&#8217;m not perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: green mormon architect</title>
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		<dc:creator>green mormon architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts.  I have been quite transitory for the last 10 years and have enjoyed being in many different wards.  I like what it says in D&amp;C 51 regarding those who were migrating from the east into Ohio for only a short period of time:

&quot;...wherefore let them act upon this land as for years, and this shall turn unto them for their good.&quot; (verse 17)

Even if you&#039;re only going to be somewhere a short period of time, it will be to everyone&#039;s benefit to act as though you are permanent.  This has helped me feel more integrated into those wards where I was a short-timer.  The reverse could also hold true for those who are permanent ward fixtures.  There is a lot to gain from those just passing through and the effort in friendship and helping them integrate is usually well worth it when all is said and done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts.  I have been quite transitory for the last 10 years and have enjoyed being in many different wards.  I like what it says in D&amp;C 51 regarding those who were migrating from the east into Ohio for only a short period of time:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;wherefore let them act upon this land as for years, and this shall turn unto them for their good.&#8221; (verse 17)</p>
<p>Even if you&#8217;re only going to be somewhere a short period of time, it will be to everyone&#8217;s benefit to act as though you are permanent.  This has helped me feel more integrated into those wards where I was a short-timer.  The reverse could also hold true for those who are permanent ward fixtures.  There is a lot to gain from those just passing through and the effort in friendship and helping them integrate is usually well worth it when all is said and done.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are getting ready to leave a ward that we have been here for approximately 10 months.  My husband was in the Young Men&#039;s presidency and I have been in the nursery the whole time.  The ward put us to work as soon as we arrived.  We went to every baptism, went on missionary teaches every other week, and I played the piano in sacrament meetings biweekly.  I have never felt so much a part of a ward in my life.  We were welcomed in like family, which was needed since we were living in a different country than our own families.  

As a result, my husband and I have learned more about how to support and serve others in a ward family than we have learned over our entire previous church membership.  We are young and still in the transitory stage of life. I am told that our service was useful, but I don&#039;t know if that can compare to our exponential growth and gratitude for the ward for helping us grow up.  I agree with this wholeheartedly.  Wards should use every member that lives there-no matter how long.  Not only would the ward would be stronger for it, but those families that are able to contribute will have their testimonies strengthened as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are getting ready to leave a ward that we have been here for approximately 10 months.  My husband was in the Young Men&#8217;s presidency and I have been in the nursery the whole time.  The ward put us to work as soon as we arrived.  We went to every baptism, went on missionary teaches every other week, and I played the piano in sacrament meetings biweekly.  I have never felt so much a part of a ward in my life.  We were welcomed in like family, which was needed since we were living in a different country than our own families.  </p>
<p>As a result, my husband and I have learned more about how to support and serve others in a ward family than we have learned over our entire previous church membership.  We are young and still in the transitory stage of life. I am told that our service was useful, but I don&#8217;t know if that can compare to our exponential growth and gratitude for the ward for helping us grow up.  I agree with this wholeheartedly.  Wards should use every member that lives there-no matter how long.  Not only would the ward would be stronger for it, but those families that are able to contribute will have their testimonies strengthened as well.</p>
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