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		<title>By: Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After I had spent a year in an Intellectual Traditions of the West course at the University of Utah, where we studied an overview of philosophy and religion from ancient times to the present, I came across Truman&#039;s little book Eternal Man.  His insights into how the single doctrine of the premortal existence solved so many of the problems we had reviewed in philosophy was tremendously exciting.  It was the first time I appreciated that the Prophet Joseph Smith simply knew things that other intelligent men had struggled toward with all the best intent.  

An article a couple of years ago in BYU Studies reviewed how many modern philosophers and theologians were increasingly concluding, after their thoughtful research and analysis, that God&#039;s love and justice favors certain things: A social trinity founded on mutual love, an opportunity for all mankind to receive the saving Gospel after death, an understanding of salvation as the process of becoming like the Son of God. 

Truman Madsen&#039;s special insight lay, for me, in his explication of how Joseph Smith, in his intellectual innocence, offered us the answers at the end of these long pondering journeys, demonstrating that the revelations received by Joseph were also intellectually respectable and justifiable.  They were not anti-intellectual, but rather anticipated intellectual searching.  

Truman Madsen&#039;s teachings have for me reaffirmed what Henry Eyring said defined God: He is the smartest person around.  The best intellectation moves toward finding out the understandings that God offers us through revelation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After I had spent a year in an Intellectual Traditions of the West course at the University of Utah, where we studied an overview of philosophy and religion from ancient times to the present, I came across Truman&#8217;s little book Eternal Man.  His insights into how the single doctrine of the premortal existence solved so many of the problems we had reviewed in philosophy was tremendously exciting.  It was the first time I appreciated that the Prophet Joseph Smith simply knew things that other intelligent men had struggled toward with all the best intent.  </p>
<p>An article a couple of years ago in BYU Studies reviewed how many modern philosophers and theologians were increasingly concluding, after their thoughtful research and analysis, that God&#8217;s love and justice favors certain things: A social trinity founded on mutual love, an opportunity for all mankind to receive the saving Gospel after death, an understanding of salvation as the process of becoming like the Son of God. </p>
<p>Truman Madsen&#8217;s special insight lay, for me, in his explication of how Joseph Smith, in his intellectual innocence, offered us the answers at the end of these long pondering journeys, demonstrating that the revelations received by Joseph were also intellectually respectable and justifiable.  They were not anti-intellectual, but rather anticipated intellectual searching.  </p>
<p>Truman Madsen&#8217;s teachings have for me reaffirmed what Henry Eyring said defined God: He is the smartest person around.  The best intellectation moves toward finding out the understandings that God offers us through revelation.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/05/truman-madsen/#comment-292859</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will miss him alot. thank you Truman for helping me wan t to know allveryI can about this gospel and all the goes with it. I was raised in the church but left when I was 17 and knew everything. Having fathered a son at 18 and living a very worldly life while playing in heavy metal bands for 17 years,I knew something was not right .I tried getting a career in the film industry and make a very comfortable live. stil I felt empty.One day I was telling my son to get ready fo church with his grandma and he said&quot;why,you don&#039;t go!&quot; ,oh boy. so after getting myself ready(which took several months) I went back to church(of course over the past few years I had been looking into several other religion)so I go back to the right religion! Anyway, to wind things up,I used to take long trps and go(temple hopping)  and try a go to as many temples and cemetaries as possible(I have the family history bug bad) but,in the background always playing,if it was conference or book of mormon it was Truman madsen,talking about Joseph Smith,Church History ,Marriage and my favorite one the lecture series gosel answers to timeless quetions and the presidents of the chuech series!I learned alot from Brother Madsen and will really miss him. Even though I only got to meet him once at a know your religion event ,I can&#039;t wait to thank him again beyond the veil,I&#039;ll just have to wait till he&#039;s finished talkng to Brother Joseph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will miss him alot. thank you Truman for helping me wan t to know allveryI can about this gospel and all the goes with it. I was raised in the church but left when I was 17 and knew everything. Having fathered a son at 18 and living a very worldly life while playing in heavy metal bands for 17 years,I knew something was not right .I tried getting a career in the film industry and make a very comfortable live. stil I felt empty.One day I was telling my son to get ready fo church with his grandma and he said&#8221;why,you don&#8217;t go!&#8221; ,oh boy. so after getting myself ready(which took several months) I went back to church(of course over the past few years I had been looking into several other religion)so I go back to the right religion! Anyway, to wind things up,I used to take long trps and go(temple hopping)  and try a go to as many temples and cemetaries as possible(I have the family history bug bad) but,in the background always playing,if it was conference or book of mormon it was Truman madsen,talking about Joseph Smith,Church History ,Marriage and my favorite one the lecture series gosel answers to timeless quetions and the presidents of the chuech series!I learned alot from Brother Madsen and will really miss him. Even though I only got to meet him once at a know your religion event ,I can&#8217;t wait to thank him again beyond the veil,I&#8217;ll just have to wait till he&#8217;s finished talkng to Brother Joseph.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/05/truman-madsen/#comment-292836</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a wonderful essay. I never had a class with Dr. Madsen, but he had a profound influence for good in my life though his writings and through those with whom he had a more direct influence. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believeallthings.com/3044/truman-madsen-tribute&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Truman Madsen Tribute&lt;/a&gt;. He will be remembered for a very long time to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a wonderful essay. I never had a class with Dr. Madsen, but he had a profound influence for good in my life though his writings and through those with whom he had a more direct influence. See <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/3044/truman-madsen-tribute" rel="nofollow">Truman Madsen Tribute</a>. He will be remembered for a very long time to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a class from Madsen my freshman year at BYU. Made Mormon theology exciting, stimulating, interesting, serious. That has remained a constant in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a class from Madsen my freshman year at BYU. Made Mormon theology exciting, stimulating, interesting, serious. That has remained a constant in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Madsen opened up the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Restoration to my mind. I collected any article, talk, or production that was made available to the public. I consider them treasures of testimony. I jokingly refer to myslef as a &quot;Trumanite.&quot; However, I know that he would prefer disciple of Jesus Christ. Brother Madsen - thank you! Thousands, including myself, have been brought to Christ through your inspired words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Madsen opened up the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Restoration to my mind. I collected any article, talk, or production that was made available to the public. I consider them treasures of testimony. I jokingly refer to myslef as a &#8220;Trumanite.&#8221; However, I know that he would prefer disciple of Jesus Christ. Brother Madsen &#8211; thank you! Thousands, including myself, have been brought to Christ through your inspired words.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Hendryx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Hendryx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As he has touched thousands of others, Truman Madsen has also touched my life, and the lives of my family.  My first meeting was as an impressionable teenager at a Stake Education Week in California.  As a university freshman in Cambridge Massachusetts, I also remember his speaking at Sacrament meeting, as he served as President of the New England Mission.  While I don&#039;t remember the words he spoke, I will always remember the impression, as a powerful intellect fully committed to the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and with a profound feeling for the Atonement.  He will be missed.  Our prayers for comfort go out to his family at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As he has touched thousands of others, Truman Madsen has also touched my life, and the lives of my family.  My first meeting was as an impressionable teenager at a Stake Education Week in California.  As a university freshman in Cambridge Massachusetts, I also remember his speaking at Sacrament meeting, as he served as President of the New England Mission.  While I don&#8217;t remember the words he spoke, I will always remember the impression, as a powerful intellect fully committed to the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and with a profound feeling for the Atonement.  He will be missed.  Our prayers for comfort go out to his family at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Cami Ashton</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/05/truman-madsen/#comment-292684</link>
		<dc:creator>Cami Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truman was a delightful friend and an incredible scholar with a monster testimony. I was privileged to travel with him and a group of 18 LDS women in 1981 to Eqypt and Israel, and I treasure the almost 80 audio tapes I have of his dissertations as we wound our way aroung and through Israel tracing the life and teachings of the Savior. I will forever draw on the things I learned and experienced while being with him on that trip. I will miss him and look forward to seeing him on the other side some wonderful day. My heart goes out to his family and I pray the Lord will ease their loss and provides joy and comfort in the knowledge that he now walks with his old friends, prophets and colleagues on the other side continuing his wonderful work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truman was a delightful friend and an incredible scholar with a monster testimony. I was privileged to travel with him and a group of 18 LDS women in 1981 to Eqypt and Israel, and I treasure the almost 80 audio tapes I have of his dissertations as we wound our way aroung and through Israel tracing the life and teachings of the Savior. I will forever draw on the things I learned and experienced while being with him on that trip. I will miss him and look forward to seeing him on the other side some wonderful day. My heart goes out to his family and I pray the Lord will ease their loss and provides joy and comfort in the knowledge that he now walks with his old friends, prophets and colleagues on the other side continuing his wonderful work</p>
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		<title>By: BJ</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/05/truman-madsen/#comment-292653</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the course of many years and two degrees, I have taken over 75 classes at BYU.  The one that to this day--22 years later--that still stands out as the most impressive and memorable was the class I took from Truman Madsen. Jewish Philosophy.  It was a summer block class so we met every day.  That class, even though scheduled for an hour, seems to fly by in mere seconds.  The spirit was strong, the teaching was inspirational. After the bell rang on the last day of class, there was not the usual rush to leave.  Everyone sat in there chairs in quite reverence for what we had just been through. We did not want to leave, we did not want the moment to be over.

The other side of him was just as telling. I happened to be in the MTC and one day while standing in line for lunch we met a group of newly arrived missionaries. it was their first day in the MTC.  One of those missionaries was a Sister Madsen, Truman&#039;s daughter.  Everyone was filled with awe and jealousy as the mail runner came back to line with a single letter in his hand. A letter written by Dr. Madsen and his wife to their daughter on her first day in the MTC.  

He was caring, a loving father and husband, but most of all he was a good man. He will be missed, but his legacy will go on forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the course of many years and two degrees, I have taken over 75 classes at BYU.  The one that to this day&#8211;22 years later&#8211;that still stands out as the most impressive and memorable was the class I took from Truman Madsen. Jewish Philosophy.  It was a summer block class so we met every day.  That class, even though scheduled for an hour, seems to fly by in mere seconds.  The spirit was strong, the teaching was inspirational. After the bell rang on the last day of class, there was not the usual rush to leave.  Everyone sat in there chairs in quite reverence for what we had just been through. We did not want to leave, we did not want the moment to be over.</p>
<p>The other side of him was just as telling. I happened to be in the MTC and one day while standing in line for lunch we met a group of newly arrived missionaries. it was their first day in the MTC.  One of those missionaries was a Sister Madsen, Truman&#8217;s daughter.  Everyone was filled with awe and jealousy as the mail runner came back to line with a single letter in his hand. A letter written by Dr. Madsen and his wife to their daughter on her first day in the MTC.  </p>
<p>He was caring, a loving father and husband, but most of all he was a good man. He will be missed, but his legacy will go on forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My contacts with Dr. Madsen were quite mundane compared to others who have shared theirs here.  I had to work my way through BYU in the 1970&#039;s, and I was his stereo repairman.  He had an older vacuum tube FM receiver which he enjoyed, and it happened I knew a lot about it as I had been a service manager in California prior to coming to BYU. I was very impressed by his &quot;spirit&quot;, in that he seemed to invoke a peaceful atmosphere when he entered a room.  I only spoke with him briefly, a few times (I should not have repaired the stereo so well), but I was so impressed by him that I have thought of him as my friend since then.  After nearly forty years, the spirit of my brief moments with him are still strong; I will miss knowing that he is here and still sharing his insight and experience in the more spiritual aspects of Mormon life and theology, especially, his comments about the life of Joseph and of course, the Savior, were always so tender, as though he was actually remembering moments with them, rather than expressing his opinion of them.  I loved him and will miss him greatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My contacts with Dr. Madsen were quite mundane compared to others who have shared theirs here.  I had to work my way through BYU in the 1970&#8242;s, and I was his stereo repairman.  He had an older vacuum tube FM receiver which he enjoyed, and it happened I knew a lot about it as I had been a service manager in California prior to coming to BYU. I was very impressed by his &#8220;spirit&#8221;, in that he seemed to invoke a peaceful atmosphere when he entered a room.  I only spoke with him briefly, a few times (I should not have repaired the stereo so well), but I was so impressed by him that I have thought of him as my friend since then.  After nearly forty years, the spirit of my brief moments with him are still strong; I will miss knowing that he is here and still sharing his insight and experience in the more spiritual aspects of Mormon life and theology, especially, his comments about the life of Joseph and of course, the Savior, were always so tender, as though he was actually remembering moments with them, rather than expressing his opinion of them.  I loved him and will miss him greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/05/truman-madsen/#comment-292641</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madsen may go down as the greatest LDS popularizer of his generation. What Gerald Lund did for history, Madsen did for Joseph Smith. His talk tapes are everywhere. How many LDS missionaries did these tapes light a fire under? Countless.

Nate mentions that his works were not academically rigorous productions. I think there are three reasons for this. First, Madsen&#039;s interests spanned disciplines: philosophy, of course, but also world religion (ancient and modern), Judaism and Near Eastern studies, and intellectual, American, and Mormon history. His work on B. H. Roberts has very little to do with his writing on the symbol of olive or his work on JS. It seems doubtful that anyone, let alone someone as gifted as Madsen, would have either the time or the patience to keep up to date on the literature and major debates of all of these disciplines simultaneously. 

Second, Madsen addressed primarily an Latter-day Saint audience. Despite his work in the Evans chair, his written work almost exclusively addresses the Saints, and so do his tapes. His most productive period came during a time when the Brethren were relying on intellectuals like him, and using them up in some sense, in everything from Know Your Religion to a steady round of symposia in the Mormon heartland. In this sense he his much like the later Nibley, who likewise layed his gifts on the altar of the church. (Madsen may have thought he was doing for philosophy and religious history what Nibley was doing with ancient and middle eastern history.) They both wrote at a time when it was assumed the Saints needed help finding their way through the bewildering maze of worldly sophistication. And in each case, the product was the same: the wisdom of the world confirms the Gospel rather than refutes it. They both wrote in the consensual spirit, playing up similarities and playing down differences, and very much in opposition to Mormonism&#039;s overly bedazzked Lost Generation.

Third, Madsen&#039;s style did not lend itself toward rigor. He was more artist than scientist, more wordsmith than logician, more impressionist than realist. He loved to make the truth witty and clever. Like many intellectual historians, he found it more to his liking to write an essay than to carry a thesis along to 250 pages. Much of his work hints or gestures at possibilities rather than actually proves or argues them. His great gift in writing, as well as speaking, was to evoke. But that is no small gift, and there was no one, ever, in our history did it better than he did. His life was far too short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madsen may go down as the greatest LDS popularizer of his generation. What Gerald Lund did for history, Madsen did for Joseph Smith. His talk tapes are everywhere. How many LDS missionaries did these tapes light a fire under? Countless.</p>
<p>Nate mentions that his works were not academically rigorous productions. I think there are three reasons for this. First, Madsen&#8217;s interests spanned disciplines: philosophy, of course, but also world religion (ancient and modern), Judaism and Near Eastern studies, and intellectual, American, and Mormon history. His work on B. H. Roberts has very little to do with his writing on the symbol of olive or his work on JS. It seems doubtful that anyone, let alone someone as gifted as Madsen, would have either the time or the patience to keep up to date on the literature and major debates of all of these disciplines simultaneously. </p>
<p>Second, Madsen addressed primarily an Latter-day Saint audience. Despite his work in the Evans chair, his written work almost exclusively addresses the Saints, and so do his tapes. His most productive period came during a time when the Brethren were relying on intellectuals like him, and using them up in some sense, in everything from Know Your Religion to a steady round of symposia in the Mormon heartland. In this sense he his much like the later Nibley, who likewise layed his gifts on the altar of the church. (Madsen may have thought he was doing for philosophy and religious history what Nibley was doing with ancient and middle eastern history.) They both wrote at a time when it was assumed the Saints needed help finding their way through the bewildering maze of worldly sophistication. And in each case, the product was the same: the wisdom of the world confirms the Gospel rather than refutes it. They both wrote in the consensual spirit, playing up similarities and playing down differences, and very much in opposition to Mormonism&#8217;s overly bedazzked Lost Generation.</p>
<p>Third, Madsen&#8217;s style did not lend itself toward rigor. He was more artist than scientist, more wordsmith than logician, more impressionist than realist. He loved to make the truth witty and clever. Like many intellectual historians, he found it more to his liking to write an essay than to carry a thesis along to 250 pages. Much of his work hints or gestures at possibilities rather than actually proves or argues them. His great gift in writing, as well as speaking, was to evoke. But that is no small gift, and there was no one, ever, in our history did it better than he did. His life was far too short.</p>
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