Comments on: Notes from All Over to April 19 – Comments http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:57:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: DavidH http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289880 DavidH Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:36:47 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289880 An interesting piece suggesting that, in private, Judge Bybee regrets having signed the memorandum. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403888_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009042403231 An interesting piece suggesting that, in private, Judge Bybee regrets having signed the memorandum. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403888_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009042403231

]]> By: Dan http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289744 Dan Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:41:55 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289744 Sadly DavidH, I've learned that most Mormons (or I should say most conservative Mormons) have absolutely no problem torturing other children of God. Sadly DavidH, I’ve learned that most Mormons (or I should say most conservative Mormons) have absolutely no problem torturing other children of God.

]]> By: DavidH http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289741 DavidH Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:27:01 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289741 In a comment that was apparently swallowed up in cyberspace, I wrote that I thought most rank and file Mormons were not troubled by the harsh interrogation techniques. (Not long after the story broke, a few years ago, and before the LDS involvement became known, a couple of LDS friends in my ward seriously commented that they did not think torture should be illegal for the U.S. to use.) Our friends over at MADB, commenting on the issue, are largely praising the involvement of LDS psychologists at the CIA in developing the harsh techniques and the involvement of LDS lawyers in Justice and the White House in approving them. http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=42940 I would hope that this level of support for harsh treatment of prisoners would not be representative of LDS mainstream views in the U.S., but I fear that it is representative (perhaps bbell could chime in on his perception of the views of non-bloggernacle members (I say this seriously, because I think he has a pretty good sense of that)). In a comment that was apparently swallowed up in cyberspace, I wrote that I thought most rank and file Mormons were not troubled by the harsh interrogation techniques. (Not long after the story broke, a few years ago, and before the LDS involvement became known, a couple of LDS friends in my ward seriously commented that they did not think torture should be illegal for the U.S. to use.)

Our friends over at MADB, commenting on the issue, are largely praising the involvement of LDS psychologists at the CIA in developing the harsh techniques and the involvement of LDS lawyers in Justice and the White House in approving them. http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=42940

I would hope that this level of support for harsh treatment of prisoners would not be representative of LDS mainstream views in the U.S., but I fear that it is representative (perhaps bbell could chime in on his perception of the views of non-bloggernacle members (I say this seriously, because I think he has a pretty good sense of that)).

]]> By: Dave http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289645 Dave Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:20:20 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289645 You're right, Dan. I should have said, "Your views are only mildly connected to reality here, IMHO." You’re right, Dan. I should have said, “Your views are only mildly connected to reality here, IMHO.”

]]> By: Mark Brown http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289607 Mark Brown Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:14:12 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289607 Dear T&S admins, In the future when you publish a post on this topic, I suggest you also publish detailed instructions which tell your commenters how to disable the self-parody feature on their keyboards. It is getting difficult to tell the difference between serious comments and ones that were intended to be funny. Thank you. Dear T&S admins,

In the future when you publish a post on this topic, I suggest you also publish detailed instructions which tell your commenters how to disable the self-parody feature on their keyboards. It is getting difficult to tell the difference between serious comments and ones that were intended to be funny.

Thank you.

]]> By: Kent Larsen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289603 Kent Larsen Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:53:03 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289603 Dave (33), are you sure you think Obama is after a scapegoat in this case? I do see that many Democrats are after a scapegoat, but the sense I have from the actions of the administration is that Obama generally wants to get past old issues and move forward, not prosecute scapegoats. That may be a minor distinction, but it could be crucial in a case like Bybee's. A White House actively using the President's influence can often accomplish much more in prodding Congress to act than Congress can muster itself. To be honest, if the administration isn't behind and actively pushing for action against former Bush adminsitration officials, i don't see much happening. Dave (33), are you sure you think Obama is after a scapegoat in this case? I do see that many Democrats are after a scapegoat, but the sense I have from the actions of the administration is that Obama generally wants to get past old issues and move forward, not prosecute scapegoats.

That may be a minor distinction, but it could be crucial in a case like Bybee’s. A White House actively using the President’s influence can often accomplish much more in prodding Congress to act than Congress can muster itself.

To be honest, if the administration isn’t behind and actively pushing for action against former Bush adminsitration officials, i don’t see much happening.

]]> By: Dan http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289599 Dan Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:29:00 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289599 Dave, <blockquote>Dan. You are only mildly connected to reality here, IMHO.</blockquote> I ask that you kindly lay off the personal insults. If you don't like my politics, that's fine. Dave,

Dan. You are only mildly connected to reality here, IMHO.

I ask that you kindly lay off the personal insults. If you don’t like my politics, that’s fine.

]]> By: aloysiusmiller http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289597 aloysiusmiller Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:32:47 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289597 Here is another thoughtful article from a liberal publication: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/linker/archive/2009/04/20/thinking-about-torture.aspx Here is another thoughtful article from a liberal publication:

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/linker/archive/2009/04/20/thinking-about-torture.aspx

]]> By: aloysiusmiller http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289596 aloysiusmiller Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:28:57 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289596 Impeached? Don't count on it. Congress approved these extraordinary measures. All we're seeing now is self righteous huffing and puffing now that the time for courage has passed. Follow the links: http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/77129/ Impeached? Don’t count on it. Congress approved these extraordinary measures. All we’re seeing now is self righteous huffing and puffing now that the time for courage has passed.

Follow the links:

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/77129/

]]> By: Dave http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/notes-from-all-over-to-april-19-comments/#comment-289594 Dave Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:02:47 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7819#comment-289594 Nice of you to visit, Dan. You are only mildly connected to reality here, IMHO. Judge Bybee will not be accused of a crime, because providing legal advice to your client is not a crime. He is not guilty of malpractice because he rendered competent legal services to his client. He may become the target of an impeachment proceeding, because that is a political proceeding, conducted largely by the (Democratic) legislature and apparently supported by the (Democratic) executive that seems to think it needs a political scapegoat. I hope it boomerangs on them. Time will tell. Nice of you to visit, Dan. You are only mildly connected to reality here, IMHO. Judge Bybee will not be accused of a crime, because providing legal advice to your client is not a crime. He is not guilty of malpractice because he rendered competent legal services to his client. He may become the target of an impeachment proceeding, because that is a political proceeding, conducted largely by the (Democratic) legislature and apparently supported by the (Democratic) executive that seems to think it needs a political scapegoat. I hope it boomerangs on them. Time will tell.

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