Comments on: Four sources of the Apocalypse http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:57:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Greg http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-291489 Greg Fri, 08 May 2009 23:23:15 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-291489 Great post. I still need to read <i>Atlas Shrugged</i>. The other day I posted a video of Irwin Redlener discussing <a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/2955/survive-nuclear-attack" rel="nofollow">How to Survive a Nuclear Attack</a>. It provides some basic background on the subject and has some practical advice - that is, assuming we ever need that advice! Great post. I still need to read Atlas Shrugged. The other day I posted a video of Irwin Redlener discussing How to Survive a Nuclear Attack. It provides some basic background on the subject and has some practical advice – that is, assuming we ever need that advice!

]]> By: Thomas Parkin http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290823 Thomas Parkin Sat, 02 May 2009 13:58:39 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290823 #43 is exactly right. The bleaker Cormac McCarthy's novels are, the more they are about hope. The Road absolutely devastated me; and remembering the final couple pages renews that feeling in me, can bring me to tears. But it is constant on the potential for people to be good, to remain good, to "carry the fire", where there is utterly no reason to familial love. On the other hand, All the Pretty Horses, far more conventionally beautiful, far closer, even if Romantic, to a life as it might be lived, seems to me almost without hope. The goodness in it is no less isolated than in the Road, and it is isolated among people we would more or less recognize. Up to The Road, all of McCarthy's novels seemed to carry a message that goodness is alien in this world, causing some critics to (rightly, I think) label him Gnostic. The Road grounds goodness as a thing belonging to this world. ~ #43 is exactly right. The bleaker Cormac McCarthy’s novels are, the more they are about hope.

The Road absolutely devastated me; and remembering the final couple pages renews that feeling in me, can bring me to tears. But it is constant on the potential for people to be good, to remain good, to “carry the fire”, where there is utterly no reason to familial love.

On the other hand, All the Pretty Horses, far more conventionally beautiful, far closer, even if Romantic, to a life as it might be lived, seems to me almost without hope. The goodness in it is no less isolated than in the Road, and it is isolated among people we would more or less recognize.

Up to The Road, all of McCarthy’s novels seemed to carry a message that goodness is alien in this world, causing some critics to (rightly, I think) label him Gnostic. The Road grounds goodness as a thing belonging to this world. ~

]]> By: GLF http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290769 GLF Fri, 01 May 2009 18:40:21 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290769 An economic boomlet fueled artificially by government overspending ends in an economic crash, USA Mormons gathering to the hills & beyond, governmental & societal collapse, foreign invasion, and individuals & families making hard choices about security, loyalty and faith. That's the start of a five-volume fictional series planned by LDS author Chad Daybell in Springville, Utah, called Standing in Holy Places. Volume 1 (The Great Gathering) and volume 2 (The Celestial City) are in print, with volume 3 (The Rise of Zion) coming out this summer. After reading various non-LDS cataclysmic and anti-utopian novels over the years (including the first of Tim LaHaye's Left Behind series recently), I've enjoyed Mr. Daybell's unfinished series for its presenting the questions of "what if?" or "what would I do in that scenario?" while holding on to hope and looking through the Apocalypse's smoke & fire to Zion beyond. An economic boomlet fueled artificially by government overspending ends in an economic crash, USA Mormons gathering to the hills & beyond, governmental & societal collapse, foreign invasion, and individuals & families making hard choices about security, loyalty and faith.

That’s the start of a five-volume fictional series planned by LDS author Chad Daybell in Springville, Utah, called Standing in Holy Places. Volume 1 (The Great Gathering) and volume 2 (The Celestial City) are in print, with volume 3 (The Rise of Zion) coming out this summer.

After reading various non-LDS cataclysmic and anti-utopian novels over the years (including the first of Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series recently), I’ve enjoyed Mr. Daybell’s unfinished series for its presenting the questions of “what if?” or “what would I do in that scenario?” while holding on to hope and looking through the Apocalypse’s smoke & fire to Zion beyond.

]]> By: Supercrowley http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290754 Supercrowley Fri, 01 May 2009 15:09:32 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290754 Just wanted to chime in that I also rank The Road among the very best post apocalyptic novels but have to disagree with those who seem to think it has a dark or hopeless message. I think it is exactly the reverse. It is not about the depravity of man, but rather the ability of man to keep his humanity against all odds, even when few if any others do and even when things appear hopeless. Just wanted to chime in that I also rank The Road among the very best post apocalyptic novels but have to disagree with those who seem to think it has a dark or hopeless message. I think it is exactly the reverse. It is not about the depravity of man, but rather the ability of man to keep his humanity against all odds, even when few if any others do and even when things appear hopeless.

]]> By: Bruce in Montana http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290492 Bruce in Montana Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:07:16 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290492 Great...the wife just complained about Barnes & Noble credit card charges. I see another complaint coming. :) Atlas, Babylon is excellent. Another .. not-so-popular and not-so-apocalyptic title is "Unintended Consequences". Like all good novels of this genre it is not only believable, it's hard to see how it can't/won't eventually occur. Great…the wife just complained about Barnes & Noble credit card charges. I see another complaint coming. :)

Atlas, Babylon is excellent.
Another .. not-so-popular and not-so-apocalyptic title is “Unintended Consequences”. Like all good novels of this genre it is not only believable, it’s hard to see how it can’t/won’t eventually occur.

]]> By: Lorrie http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290479 Lorrie Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:58:51 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290479 I read "Atlas Shrugged" a few years ago and found it absolutely fascinating. I think I wil have to read some of the other books that have been mentioned. Although I am not one of those Mormons who is looking forward to the end of the world, I do believe in being prepared for an emergency. I do have a year supply of food, including wheat (that believe it or not we actually use). I read “Atlas Shrugged” a few years ago and found it absolutely fascinating. I think I wil have to read some of the other books that have been mentioned.

Although I am not one of those Mormons who is looking forward to the end of the world, I do believe in being prepared for an emergency. I do have a year supply of food, including wheat (that believe it or not we actually use).

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290473 Adam Greenwood Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:23:33 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290473 I must have been writing fiction . . . I must have been writing fiction . . .

]]> By: Rob Perkins http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290472 Rob Perkins Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:17:23 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290472 I'll put in a good word here for Susan Beth Pfeffer's "Life As We Knew It," which is decent teenaged apocalyptic stuff. My daughters are entranced. <i>Nope. You can’t justify poorly written stuff by saying that everything is poorly written.</i> I suppose not. But since that itself is a strawman... I’ll put in a good word here for Susan Beth Pfeffer’s “Life As We Knew It,” which is decent teenaged apocalyptic stuff. My daughters are entranced.

Nope. You can’t justify poorly written stuff by saying that everything is poorly written.

I suppose not. But since that itself is a strawman…

]]> By: John C. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290468 John C. Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:30:54 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290468 Regarding the upcoming zombie apocalypse, Max Brooks's World War Z is surprisingly well done. Regarding the upcoming zombie apocalypse, Max Brooks’s World War Z is surprisingly well done.

]]> By: Jay S http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/four-sources-of-the-apocalypse/#comment-290465 Jay S Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:13:10 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=7945#comment-290465 While not apocolyptic per se, the World Made by Hand by James Kunstler displays a near-apocolyptic world trying to decide between dying and holding on. Essentially, a series of climatic catastrophes, terror attacks and the lack of oil causes civilization to grind to a halt. It tells the story of one man in the upstate new york village of Union Grove, and the struggle to rebuild infrastructure, deal with the local robbers and find meaning. I would heartily recommend it. I read Dies the Fire as it is based in the Willamette valley - and while it does have a mormon reference (the character survives by living of her the food storage of her neighbors, an elderly mormon couple who pass away), it delves too much into fantasy for my taste. While not apocolyptic per se, the World Made by Hand by James Kunstler displays a near-apocolyptic world trying to decide between dying and holding on. Essentially, a series of climatic catastrophes, terror attacks and the lack of oil causes civilization to grind to a halt. It tells the story of one man in the upstate new york village of Union Grove, and the struggle to rebuild infrastructure, deal with the local robbers and find meaning. I would heartily recommend it.

I read Dies the Fire as it is based in the Willamette valley – and while it does have a mormon reference (the character survives by living of her the food storage of her neighbors, an elderly mormon couple who pass away), it delves too much into fantasy for my taste.

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