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		<title>By: tony williams</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-salamander-letter-in-a-nutshell/#comment-287619</link>
		<dc:creator>tony williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never mind honest questions about the early or current church
aa long as they are fair and without hatred.  The early prophets
were just human and made mistakes, just like everyone, some
were foolish mistakes too. I admit that. But this has nothing
to do with the fact that this church is the Church of Jesus Christ.
If you are really sincere about seeking the Lord he will reveal it to
you. I am a theology expert who was converted to the church.
Imagine that!  But in all seriousness the Holy Bible goes hand in
hand with the Book of Mormon. The Bible is full of proof of the
principles of doctrine of the Mormon Church but you must have
the gift to look &quot;through the glass darkly&quot; to see it. Or in other
words have the Holy Spirit enlighten you. NO -the Prophet is also
working out his life on earth and is NOT given a free pass to all
things. Mark Hoffman was perhaps the most talented forger who
ever lived. God allowed him to work his evil because evil men are
allowed to do that on this earth to seal their eternal fate. I.E.
Hitler, Sadaam, Amin and other human demons.  But you can 
be sure the church will be fine. It is the only complete doctrine
the earth has and Satan and those who hate it fight it every
day with a zeal unmatched by any thing else they do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never mind honest questions about the early or current church<br />
aa long as they are fair and without hatred.  The early prophets<br />
were just human and made mistakes, just like everyone, some<br />
were foolish mistakes too. I admit that. But this has nothing<br />
to do with the fact that this church is the Church of Jesus Christ.<br />
If you are really sincere about seeking the Lord he will reveal it to<br />
you. I am a theology expert who was converted to the church.<br />
Imagine that!  But in all seriousness the Holy Bible goes hand in<br />
hand with the Book of Mormon. The Bible is full of proof of the<br />
principles of doctrine of the Mormon Church but you must have<br />
the gift to look &#8220;through the glass darkly&#8221; to see it. Or in other<br />
words have the Holy Spirit enlighten you. NO -the Prophet is also<br />
working out his life on earth and is NOT given a free pass to all<br />
things. Mark Hoffman was perhaps the most talented forger who<br />
ever lived. God allowed him to work his evil because evil men are<br />
allowed to do that on this earth to seal their eternal fate. I.E.<br />
Hitler, Sadaam, Amin and other human demons.  But you can<br />
be sure the church will be fine. It is the only complete doctrine<br />
the earth has and Satan and those who hate it fight it every<br />
day with a zeal unmatched by any thing else they do!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael A. Cleverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael A. Cleverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven Christensen, Hoffman&#039;s first victim, is the only brother-in-law that I never had the chance to meet (in this life); I was in Jr. High when he was killed, and wouldn&#039;t end up meeting his younger sister for another ~5 years or so.

I look forward to meeting him someday.

President Faust, in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=ef01b5658af22110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;final conference address&lt;/a&gt; recounted the blessing of peace that my in-laws found through choosing to forgive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Christensen, Hoffman&#8217;s first victim, is the only brother-in-law that I never had the chance to meet (in this life); I was in Jr. High when he was killed, and wouldn&#8217;t end up meeting his younger sister for another ~5 years or so.</p>
<p>I look forward to meeting him someday.</p>
<p>President Faust, in his <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=ef01b5658af22110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1" rel="nofollow">final conference address</a> recounted the blessing of peace that my in-laws found through choosing to forgive.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. This information would discourage me from basing a testimony (or lack of) on any one particular old document.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. This information would discourage me from basing a testimony (or lack of) on any one particular old document.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-salamander-letter-in-a-nutshell/#comment-287215</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comments, Tyler.

I should add something to what I wrote above.  I have a very laid back, easy going personality.  I don&#039;t let much rile me.  These days I&#039;m familiar with every major argument against the Church, but none of that stuff bothers me, and I can let it slide off my back.

But I remember that when I first read the salamander letter, I was really thrown for a loop.  That easily could have been the one that knocked me off the ledge.  Nothing I&#039;ve encountered before or since bothered me as much as the salamander letter did.

I didn&#039;t panic, however.  I rolled up my sleeves and learned what I could about folk magic.  (This was before Quinn&#039;s book came out.)  I actually started in non-LDS history writing, such as Jon Butler, which dealt with a slightly earlier period of American history.  And having an actual historical context to put that into helped me tremendously not to wig out over the letter.

That was part of the reason I taught that class.  I made special trips to university libraries to be able to read some of the historical literature, and I knew that the ordinary members of my class weren&#039;t going to do something like that, so I needed to share what I had found with my brothers and sisters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comments, Tyler.</p>
<p>I should add something to what I wrote above.  I have a very laid back, easy going personality.  I don&#8217;t let much rile me.  These days I&#8217;m familiar with every major argument against the Church, but none of that stuff bothers me, and I can let it slide off my back.</p>
<p>But I remember that when I first read the salamander letter, I was really thrown for a loop.  That easily could have been the one that knocked me off the ledge.  Nothing I&#8217;ve encountered before or since bothered me as much as the salamander letter did.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t panic, however.  I rolled up my sleeves and learned what I could about folk magic.  (This was before Quinn&#8217;s book came out.)  I actually started in non-LDS history writing, such as Jon Butler, which dealt with a slightly earlier period of American history.  And having an actual historical context to put that into helped me tremendously not to wig out over the letter.</p>
<p>That was part of the reason I taught that class.  I made special trips to university libraries to be able to read some of the historical literature, and I knew that the ordinary members of my class weren&#8217;t going to do something like that, so I needed to share what I had found with my brothers and sisters.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a little bit of a threadjack, but I&#039;d like to mention it anyway:

In relation to KB&#039;s comments about openness and innoculation:

For those who didn&#039;t go to BYU, Church history is taught in three sections: 1820s-1844, 1844-1900, 1900-present.  The courses are taught by history professors even though they are under the auspices of the religion department (I think).  Anyhow, I took all three courses and had professors for the second and third thirds who approached controversial subjects in almost opposite ways.

My teacher for the last third (1900-present) asked us on the first day of class if we had heard about anything from church history that bothered us.  As folks raised their hands and volunteered &quot;polygamy,&quot; &quot;priesthood restrictions,&quot; &quot;MMM,&quot; and the like, she gave one sentence &quot;answers&quot; for each controversy.  For instance, on the priesthood restrictions she said &quot;that was a policy, not a doctrine.&quot;  After about five minutes of this, she informed us this was all we needed to know about those subjects and then we did not discuss them again for the rest of the term.

Now, maybe that helped some people, I don&#039;t know.  But for me, that seemed to try to stuff the monsters back in the closet, so to speak--it just made people fearful of what they might find if they opened the door.

The professor I had for the second third, on the other hand, often spent almost half of our class time talking about these subjects.  He would have us read (often primary) sources ahead of time and then come to class to discuss what it would have been like to live a polygamous life, or why the MMM might have occurred.  He opened the door to let the monsters out.  After he did that, we found that most of the &quot;monsters&quot; were really just mice and even those that still seemed kind of strange were not nearly as scary as they might otherwise have seemed.

It seems to me that with the almost universal proliferation of information, most members of the Church (at least in the U.S.) are eventually going to find the monsters.  So much better, it seems, to let that encounter happen in a faithful place where the events and ideas can be placed in proper context and where faithful discussion can follow.  Otherwise, we risk this happening in a strange place inimical to faith and often the shock that comes when a person discovers the gap between what he thought he knew and what seems to be the case can really shake a person&#039; testimony.

It means so much, I think, to have someone say, &quot;I know all about [whatever], and I still know the Gospel is true.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a little bit of a threadjack, but I&#8217;d like to mention it anyway:</p>
<p>In relation to KB&#8217;s comments about openness and innoculation:</p>
<p>For those who didn&#8217;t go to BYU, Church history is taught in three sections: 1820s-1844, 1844-1900, 1900-present.  The courses are taught by history professors even though they are under the auspices of the religion department (I think).  Anyhow, I took all three courses and had professors for the second and third thirds who approached controversial subjects in almost opposite ways.</p>
<p>My teacher for the last third (1900-present) asked us on the first day of class if we had heard about anything from church history that bothered us.  As folks raised their hands and volunteered &#8220;polygamy,&#8221; &#8220;priesthood restrictions,&#8221; &#8220;MMM,&#8221; and the like, she gave one sentence &#8220;answers&#8221; for each controversy.  For instance, on the priesthood restrictions she said &#8220;that was a policy, not a doctrine.&#8221;  After about five minutes of this, she informed us this was all we needed to know about those subjects and then we did not discuss them again for the rest of the term.</p>
<p>Now, maybe that helped some people, I don&#8217;t know.  But for me, that seemed to try to stuff the monsters back in the closet, so to speak&#8211;it just made people fearful of what they might find if they opened the door.</p>
<p>The professor I had for the second third, on the other hand, often spent almost half of our class time talking about these subjects.  He would have us read (often primary) sources ahead of time and then come to class to discuss what it would have been like to live a polygamous life, or why the MMM might have occurred.  He opened the door to let the monsters out.  After he did that, we found that most of the &#8220;monsters&#8221; were really just mice and even those that still seemed kind of strange were not nearly as scary as they might otherwise have seemed.</p>
<p>It seems to me that with the almost universal proliferation of information, most members of the Church (at least in the U.S.) are eventually going to find the monsters.  So much better, it seems, to let that encounter happen in a faithful place where the events and ideas can be placed in proper context and where faithful discussion can follow.  Otherwise, we risk this happening in a strange place inimical to faith and often the shock that comes when a person discovers the gap between what he thought he knew and what seems to be the case can really shake a person&#8217; testimony.</p>
<p>It means so much, I think, to have someone say, &#8220;I know all about [whatever], and I still know the Gospel is true.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi, excellent summary.  I would echo previous points about the Church&#039;s purchase of the document not indicating in any way that they accepted it as real; the Church has a standing policy of being open to the acquisition of every document related to Church history, not just documents from Church leaders but those from enemies of the Church (up to and including anti-Mormon literature.)  Purchase of a document in no way implies acceptance of it; and I could be mistaken, but I believe it the letter itself is still in Church Archives.

As to the issue of the Church leadership not immediately identifying the true nature of the letter (or of the Kinderhook Plates), I would refer to the experience of Elisha the prophet:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_kgs/4/27#27

27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the Lord hath hid it from me, and hath not told me. 

So much for &quot;Batphone to God&quot;.  That God can, and does, deliberately withhold information from the prophets for reasons of his own is plainly evident here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi, excellent summary.  I would echo previous points about the Church&#8217;s purchase of the document not indicating in any way that they accepted it as real; the Church has a standing policy of being open to the acquisition of every document related to Church history, not just documents from Church leaders but those from enemies of the Church (up to and including anti-Mormon literature.)  Purchase of a document in no way implies acceptance of it; and I could be mistaken, but I believe it the letter itself is still in Church Archives.</p>
<p>As to the issue of the Church leadership not immediately identifying the true nature of the letter (or of the Kinderhook Plates), I would refer to the experience of Elisha the prophet:</p>
<p><a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_kgs/4/27#27" rel="nofollow">http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_kgs/4/27#27</a></p>
<p>27 And when she came to the man of God to the hill, she caught him by the feet: but Gehazi came near to thrust her away. And the man of God said, Let her alone; for her soul is vexed within her: and the Lord hath hid it from me, and hath not told me. </p>
<p>So much for &#8220;Batphone to God&#8221;.  That God can, and does, deliberately withhold information from the prophets for reasons of his own is plainly evident here.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent most of a year researching in the Church Archives during Arrington&#039;s administration.  I was reading transcripts of church court hearings, on the topic of how the bishoprics and high councils did the kind of dispute resolution that we now rely on civil courts to do.  I was using the original records, and as far as I could tell no one else had bothered reading them before.  Someone who is interested in Utah legal history needs to read the journal of Seth B. Lee, who served as US Attorney for Utah and had fought alongside Sam Houston in Texas.  

When the Salamander Letter and other Hoffman documents were acquired, they were reproduced in the Church News with discussion of them by Dallin Oaks and others.  One of the things Hoffman produced was a supposed transcript from the Golden Plates, not the one we are familiar with, that I later saw displayed (in reproduction) at the Martin Harris house in Palmyra.  The alleged Joseph Smith III blessing was featured not only in LDS publications but also in a brochure that the RLDS Church handed out at the Kirtland Temple.  These &quot;documents&quot; were used by critics to beat up the Church over its history, but the Church was very open about them, just as it had been a decade earlier with the Joseph Smith Papyri from the Metropolitan Musuem of Art in New York.  

It was clear at the time of Hoffman&#039;s ascendancy that his most enthusiastic cheerleaders were people pushing the &quot;New Mormon History&quot;.  They had itching ears and Hoffman&#039;s documents were scratching that itch.  Some historians who were critical of the &quot;official history&quot; of the Church embraced the Hoffman forgeries with enthusiasm, waving them as they called for a revision of the official version of events.  

It is clear that (a) the &quot;official history&quot; has proven much more durable than many of the alternative views, (b) the Church did nothing dishonorable, did not waste a lot of Church funds buying documents from Hoffman, and disclosed the significant ones very openly, while (c) many of the critics of the &quot;official history&quot; called into question their own credibility by forcefully advocating the Hoffman documents in a display of remarkable credulity.  Yet if you see an occasional story nowadays referring to the episode on TV or in a magazine or non-Mormon author&#039;s book (e.g. Mormon America by the Ostlings), the stories try to depict the historians as heroes and the Church leaders as dupes, when the truth was more the opposite. 

In a way, the Hoffman episode was evidence that Church history had achieved enough importance that it was the target of an effort to undermine it.  Yet it also uncannily harks back to the Lord&#039;s description of how the people who stole the original 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript were planning to use it to attack Joseph Smith&#039;s credibility.  Standing alone, it seems like a scheme that is unlikely just because it would involve so much work to carry out a deception against something that was not even yet an organized church.  Yet Hoffman demonstrates that hatred for the Church can inspire a skilled liar to tremendous feats of forgery.  And as has been pointed out above, Sillitoe and others have guessed that Hoffman&#039;s long-range goal was to use these planted documents both as a field test of his skills and to authenticate the handwriting of Martin Harris for his coup de grace: producing the &quot;lost 116 pages&quot;, and fulfilling Satan&#039;s original plan 150 years late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent most of a year researching in the Church Archives during Arrington&#8217;s administration.  I was reading transcripts of church court hearings, on the topic of how the bishoprics and high councils did the kind of dispute resolution that we now rely on civil courts to do.  I was using the original records, and as far as I could tell no one else had bothered reading them before.  Someone who is interested in Utah legal history needs to read the journal of Seth B. Lee, who served as US Attorney for Utah and had fought alongside Sam Houston in Texas.  </p>
<p>When the Salamander Letter and other Hoffman documents were acquired, they were reproduced in the Church News with discussion of them by Dallin Oaks and others.  One of the things Hoffman produced was a supposed transcript from the Golden Plates, not the one we are familiar with, that I later saw displayed (in reproduction) at the Martin Harris house in Palmyra.  The alleged Joseph Smith III blessing was featured not only in LDS publications but also in a brochure that the RLDS Church handed out at the Kirtland Temple.  These &#8220;documents&#8221; were used by critics to beat up the Church over its history, but the Church was very open about them, just as it had been a decade earlier with the Joseph Smith Papyri from the Metropolitan Musuem of Art in New York.  </p>
<p>It was clear at the time of Hoffman&#8217;s ascendancy that his most enthusiastic cheerleaders were people pushing the &#8220;New Mormon History&#8221;.  They had itching ears and Hoffman&#8217;s documents were scratching that itch.  Some historians who were critical of the &#8220;official history&#8221; of the Church embraced the Hoffman forgeries with enthusiasm, waving them as they called for a revision of the official version of events.  </p>
<p>It is clear that (a) the &#8220;official history&#8221; has proven much more durable than many of the alternative views, (b) the Church did nothing dishonorable, did not waste a lot of Church funds buying documents from Hoffman, and disclosed the significant ones very openly, while (c) many of the critics of the &#8220;official history&#8221; called into question their own credibility by forcefully advocating the Hoffman documents in a display of remarkable credulity.  Yet if you see an occasional story nowadays referring to the episode on TV or in a magazine or non-Mormon author&#8217;s book (e.g. Mormon America by the Ostlings), the stories try to depict the historians as heroes and the Church leaders as dupes, when the truth was more the opposite. </p>
<p>In a way, the Hoffman episode was evidence that Church history had achieved enough importance that it was the target of an effort to undermine it.  Yet it also uncannily harks back to the Lord&#8217;s description of how the people who stole the original 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript were planning to use it to attack Joseph Smith&#8217;s credibility.  Standing alone, it seems like a scheme that is unlikely just because it would involve so much work to carry out a deception against something that was not even yet an organized church.  Yet Hoffman demonstrates that hatred for the Church can inspire a skilled liar to tremendous feats of forgery.  And as has been pointed out above, Sillitoe and others have guessed that Hoffman&#8217;s long-range goal was to use these planted documents both as a field test of his skills and to authenticate the handwriting of Martin Harris for his coup de grace: producing the &#8220;lost 116 pages&#8221;, and fulfilling Satan&#8217;s original plan 150 years late.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TiredM- have you ever tried to get a document that you were denied? I haven&#039;t. I have had access to everything that I wanted. One reason that there isn&#039;t a list is that the number of documents is huge and it is a gargantuan project -- and even listing a name for a document would fail to capture what is often hidden in a document of historical significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TiredM- have you ever tried to get a document that you were denied? I haven&#8217;t. I have had access to everything that I wanted. One reason that there isn&#8217;t a list is that the number of documents is huge and it is a gargantuan project &#8212; and even listing a name for a document would fail to capture what is often hidden in a document of historical significance.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredmormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredmormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just reading In Sacred Loneliness.  In the preface, the authors discuss trouble with getting access to the archives and certain manuscripts. The publication of so many primary documents is wonderful, in that forbidding access to this material can&#039;t happen again. Around the bloggernacle I read the constant refrain - they are hiding very little. When, in fact, we don&#039;t know exactly what is the archives because there is no comprehensive list. Not to mention the archived material that has been purposely destroyed.  

As for the salamander shaped hole - Quinn revised the book and it&#039;s excellent. It is disingenuous to defame his work because the letters turned out to be forgeries. There is a lot of great evidence in that book with the footnotes to back it up to demonstrate folk magic as an integral part of JS&#039;s life.

It seems that Mormons can&#039;t handle the folk magic aspect of JS.  I arrived at that conclusion from a recent visit to church museums in SLC where all signs of folk magic have been removed from display, from the comments posted here, and from the changes to the Doctrine and Covenants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just reading In Sacred Loneliness.  In the preface, the authors discuss trouble with getting access to the archives and certain manuscripts. The publication of so many primary documents is wonderful, in that forbidding access to this material can&#8217;t happen again. Around the bloggernacle I read the constant refrain &#8211; they are hiding very little. When, in fact, we don&#8217;t know exactly what is the archives because there is no comprehensive list. Not to mention the archived material that has been purposely destroyed.  </p>
<p>As for the salamander shaped hole &#8211; Quinn revised the book and it&#8217;s excellent. It is disingenuous to defame his work because the letters turned out to be forgeries. There is a lot of great evidence in that book with the footnotes to back it up to demonstrate folk magic as an integral part of JS&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>It seems that Mormons can&#8217;t handle the folk magic aspect of JS.  I arrived at that conclusion from a recent visit to church museums in SLC where all signs of folk magic have been removed from display, from the comments posted here, and from the changes to the Doctrine and Covenants.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-salamander-letter-in-a-nutshell/#comment-287113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, everyone.  Thanks in particular to comments from those who knew and loved the deceased.  

I didn&#039;t mean to be short in my brief description of the events, though this was rather short and to the point; I put this post up to briefly describe the facts, because the topic was coming up in another thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, everyone.  Thanks in particular to comments from those who knew and loved the deceased.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to be short in my brief description of the events, though this was rather short and to the point; I put this post up to briefly describe the facts, because the topic was coming up in another thread.</p>
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