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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-gospel-of-gluttony-and-sloth/#comment-287715</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had a professor at BYU who lived near Sis. Tanner of the YW General Presidency.  He once made a slightly disparaging comment along these lines, &quot;Sis. Tanner runs by my house every morning jogging.  I&#039;d like to tell her that she needs to teach the youth of the church some real doctrine (ie. the fall via Milton&#039;s Paradise Lost), instead of running everyday&quot;  The comment was a backhanded criticism of her focus on working out.  Personally, I thought it was great that she was setting an example on taking care of both the physical body and spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a professor at BYU who lived near Sis. Tanner of the YW General Presidency.  He once made a slightly disparaging comment along these lines, &#8220;Sis. Tanner runs by my house every morning jogging.  I&#8217;d like to tell her that she needs to teach the youth of the church some real doctrine (ie. the fall via Milton&#8217;s Paradise Lost), instead of running everyday&#8221;  The comment was a backhanded criticism of her focus on working out.  Personally, I thought it was great that she was setting an example on taking care of both the physical body and spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(WillF, pass it on.)

queno, I think we all experience that on a local level to some degree. When I was the Relief Society president of my ward, a woman I had known in high school visited. After seeing me conduct the meeting she asked what my calling was. When I told her she said, &quot;Wow, they must be hard up.&quot; I wasn&#039;t overweight and I wasn&#039;t a slob, but obviously I was deficient in numerous areas!

msg, interesting insights. There may be another motive for the second marriages. If the conversation I had with Eldred G. Smith a couple of years ago is any indication, it&#039;s because they have a responsibility to provide sealing ordinances to those who haven&#039;t had the opportunity to get them. But he&#039;s a bit outspoken about polygamy.

Over two decades ago I decided to stay home with my kids after President Benson&#039;s &quot;big talk&quot; to mothers. It wasn&#039;t something I had ever wanted to do. Soon after, when Sam was still in grad school, I attended Women&#039;s Conference. It was so discouraging to me. Ever single speaker I heard was lauded and praised for her career contributions.

So, I&#039;m supposed to stay home with my kids, but if I do then what I think won&#039;t be deemed worth listening to?

In a similar way, I can promise you that if I&#039;d had just one or two (or even three or four!) kids, I&#039;d look much more the &quot;successful woman&quot; part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(WillF, pass it on.)</p>
<p>queno, I think we all experience that on a local level to some degree. When I was the Relief Society president of my ward, a woman I had known in high school visited. After seeing me conduct the meeting she asked what my calling was. When I told her she said, &#8220;Wow, they must be hard up.&#8221; I wasn&#8217;t overweight and I wasn&#8217;t a slob, but obviously I was deficient in numerous areas!</p>
<p>msg, interesting insights. There may be another motive for the second marriages. If the conversation I had with Eldred G. Smith a couple of years ago is any indication, it&#8217;s because they have a responsibility to provide sealing ordinances to those who haven&#8217;t had the opportunity to get them. But he&#8217;s a bit outspoken about polygamy.</p>
<p>Over two decades ago I decided to stay home with my kids after President Benson&#8217;s &#8220;big talk&#8221; to mothers. It wasn&#8217;t something I had ever wanted to do. Soon after, when Sam was still in grad school, I attended Women&#8217;s Conference. It was so discouraging to me. Ever single speaker I heard was lauded and praised for her career contributions.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m supposed to stay home with my kids, but if I do then what I think won&#8217;t be deemed worth listening to?</p>
<p>In a similar way, I can promise you that if I&#8217;d had just one or two (or even three or four!) kids, I&#8217;d look much more the &#8220;successful woman&#8221; part.</p>
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		<title>By: msg</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-gospel-of-gluttony-and-sloth/#comment-287386</link>
		<dc:creator>msg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 06:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;ve never thought about it before but yes--the women who hold public leadership positions in the Church are quite &quot;professional&quot; looking and not the average matronly looking woman who is the revered mother of several children and usually has no college degree -the ideal Mormon woman image the Church portrays.  
It&#039;s also interesting to note that the General Authorities who marry a second time seem to choose a well-educated, professional LDS woman,  who has never been married ,instead of the &quot;ideal&quot; homemaker type.  (Of course women in those situations would be professional women because they had to provide a good living for themselves.)
I wonder if the Church hopes to attract the world&#039;s attention by &quot;showing&quot; the professional women we have or do we just have a double standard?  At least it shows all women in the Church that mo matter what their individual situation,  we all make an important contribution and belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;ve never thought about it before but yes&#8211;the women who hold public leadership positions in the Church are quite &#8220;professional&#8221; looking and not the average matronly looking woman who is the revered mother of several children and usually has no college degree -the ideal Mormon woman image the Church portrays.<br />
It&#8217;s also interesting to note that the General Authorities who marry a second time seem to choose a well-educated, professional LDS woman,  who has never been married ,instead of the &#8220;ideal&#8221; homemaker type.  (Of course women in those situations would be professional women because they had to provide a good living for themselves.)<br />
I wonder if the Church hopes to attract the world&#8217;s attention by &#8220;showing&#8221; the professional women we have or do we just have a double standard?  At least it shows all women in the Church that mo matter what their individual situation,  we all make an important contribution and belong.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  At least one former bishop of our ward was an absent-minded, overweight, slob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  At least one former bishop of our ward was an absent-minded, overweight, slob.</p>
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		<title>By: WillF</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we also now have the formula for never being called into a leadership position. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we also now have the formula for never being called into a leadership position. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-gospel-of-gluttony-and-sloth/#comment-287216</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe leaders are called because they are perceived as influential, and I believe we are all influenced, consciously or otherwise, by appearance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kathy, I think you nailed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I believe leaders are called because they are perceived as influential, and I believe we are all influenced, consciously or otherwise, by appearance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Kathy, I think you nailed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison, thanks for surfacing this issue.  I have no particular expertise or inspiration, but I believe leaders are called because they are perceived as influential, and I believe we are all influenced, consciously or otherwise, by appearance.  

In my experience, there is a strong positive correlation between the appearance of a person&#039;s home and his or her success in other areas (such as fitness and grooming).  I have no guesses about &quot;righteousness,&quot; but all the senior vice presidents and CEOs I have known personally are at least passably athletic, spiffy dressers with good hair, and immaculate housekeepers.  It seems to be a predictable success package.  

Obviously they&#039;re also smart and ambitious.  But there&#039;s the appearance thing too.  I can&#039;t think of any exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison, thanks for surfacing this issue.  I have no particular expertise or inspiration, but I believe leaders are called because they are perceived as influential, and I believe we are all influenced, consciously or otherwise, by appearance.  </p>
<p>In my experience, there is a strong positive correlation between the appearance of a person&#8217;s home and his or her success in other areas (such as fitness and grooming).  I have no guesses about &#8220;righteousness,&#8221; but all the senior vice presidents and CEOs I have known personally are at least passably athletic, spiffy dressers with good hair, and immaculate housekeepers.  It seems to be a predictable success package.  </p>
<p>Obviously they&#8217;re also smart and ambitious.  But there&#8217;s the appearance thing too.  I can&#8217;t think of any exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/03/the-gospel-of-gluttony-and-sloth/#comment-287157</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WillF, in a past ward, there was a woman known by all as &quot;The Candy Lady.&quot; She was a divorced, late-middle-aged woman with no children. She didn&#039;t associate much with adults (and actively tried to avoid most of them), but loved working with the kids. She would not allow visiting teachers to come to her home, but the nursery kids adored her.

She sat on a bench at the back of the building every week and passed out candy from a large bag. The line of kids snaked through half of the church. Some parents got really bugged about it. (I admit it wasn&#039;t my favorite thing to load them up right before we went home to a healthy dinner.) But she so loved doing it and the kids so loved it--and connected with her because of it--that I didn&#039;t have the heart to drag them away. She did it with nothing but love for the kids.

That said, if we lose the chocolate and pastry bribe to get people to sit through extra meetings, then we darn well better lose the basketball bribe to get the young men out, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WillF, in a past ward, there was a woman known by all as &#8220;The Candy Lady.&#8221; She was a divorced, late-middle-aged woman with no children. She didn&#8217;t associate much with adults (and actively tried to avoid most of them), but loved working with the kids. She would not allow visiting teachers to come to her home, but the nursery kids adored her.</p>
<p>She sat on a bench at the back of the building every week and passed out candy from a large bag. The line of kids snaked through half of the church. Some parents got really bugged about it. (I admit it wasn&#8217;t my favorite thing to load them up right before we went home to a healthy dinner.) But she so loved doing it and the kids so loved it&#8211;and connected with her because of it&#8211;that I didn&#8217;t have the heart to drag them away. She did it with nothing but love for the kids.</p>
<p>That said, if we lose the chocolate and pastry bribe to get people to sit through extra meetings, then we darn well better lose the basketball bribe to get the young men out, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth hurts, Naismith.

Please note that I didn&#039;t say every incident of obesity is *caused* by food intake. Of course it&#039;s not. (No more than every incident of thinness is due to a regimented diet and exercise.) My own mother had her thyroid removed and was diabetic, both causing weight issues for much of her life.

And I&#039;m no skinny minny myself, even though I work out every stinking day (I ran a marathon 4 years ago) and am a &quot;clean eating&quot; freak. I gained 50 pound with each of my six full-term pregnancies (and proportional amounts with the six I lost). Losing has been a huge struggle and harder each time. I was a chubby kid who killed herself to lose enough to survive through high school and college and compete in pageants (and win swimsuit competitions--to prove a point, I guess).

And, yes, I friends who eat garbage 24/7 and never work out and are thin as reeds. A number of them. (I try not to slap them around too much.)

Weight is a complex issue. As bb brought up, it&#039;s easier to tackle ten pounds of laundry than ten pounds of fat.

So, to assume that a *particular instance* of obesity is caused be gluttony would be stupid. But to realize that &quot;obesity is directly related to food intake&quot; is just the truth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;...a while back I was criticized for hiring professional cleaning help to avoid the slob situation...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth hurts, Naismith.</p>
<p>Please note that I didn&#8217;t say every incident of obesity is *caused* by food intake. Of course it&#8217;s not. (No more than every incident of thinness is due to a regimented diet and exercise.) My own mother had her thyroid removed and was diabetic, both causing weight issues for much of her life.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m no skinny minny myself, even though I work out every stinking day (I ran a marathon 4 years ago) and am a &#8220;clean eating&#8221; freak. I gained 50 pound with each of my six full-term pregnancies (and proportional amounts with the six I lost). Losing has been a huge struggle and harder each time. I was a chubby kid who killed herself to lose enough to survive through high school and college and compete in pageants (and win swimsuit competitions&#8211;to prove a point, I guess).</p>
<p>And, yes, I friends who eat garbage 24/7 and never work out and are thin as reeds. A number of them. (I try not to slap them around too much.)</p>
<p>Weight is a complex issue. As bb brought up, it&#8217;s easier to tackle ten pounds of laundry than ten pounds of fat.</p>
<p>So, to assume that a *particular instance* of obesity is caused be gluttony would be stupid. But to realize that &#8220;obesity is directly related to food intake&#8221; is just the truth.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;a while back I was criticized for hiring professional cleaning help to avoid the slob situation&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Do tell.</p>
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		<title>By: WillF</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry&#039;s criticism in #27 about sugary treats and foods used as motivators really rings true to me (I have to admit I haven&#039;t started a personal boycott of them though, and I guess according to some here based on my weight I shouldn&#039;t get a temple recommend).
 In my current ward I think the treats are out of control. It seems like candy has become the primary motivator to get children to do almost anything. Part of the problem is that it works -- kids will memorize the Articles of Faith for a treat, for example. I think on occasion it is fine to do this, but I think that food bribes can really take over if you aren&#039;t careful. It becomes an expectation -- so if there isn&#039;t a treat, people feel like they&#039;ve been gipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry&#8217;s criticism in #27 about sugary treats and foods used as motivators really rings true to me (I have to admit I haven&#8217;t started a personal boycott of them though, and I guess according to some here based on my weight I shouldn&#8217;t get a temple recommend).<br />
 In my current ward I think the treats are out of control. It seems like candy has become the primary motivator to get children to do almost anything. Part of the problem is that it works &#8212; kids will memorize the Articles of Faith for a treat, for example. I think on occasion it is fine to do this, but I think that food bribes can really take over if you aren&#8217;t careful. It becomes an expectation &#8212; so if there isn&#8217;t a treat, people feel like they&#8217;ve been gipped.</p>
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