Notes From All Over

March 6, 2009 | 33 comments

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33 Responses to Notes From All Over

  1. MikeInWeHo on March 6, 2009 at 10:03 am

    It was really cool to see Kaimi on TV. Thanks to whoever put that link up.

  2. mpb on March 6, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Kaimi’s voice sounds so different from the way it sounds in my waking fantasies of him…

  3. Tom D on March 6, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    I’ve been studying up for priesthood/RS lesson #29 “Living with Others in Peace and Harmony”. I’ve been trying to take it to heart and not argue too much :-). Interesting times we live in.

  4. Hunter on March 6, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    Taking a cue from the TV moderator, though, I think we should all refer to him as “Mr. Wenger” from now on.

  5. Adam Greenwood on March 6, 2009 at 3:29 pm


  6. Hunter on March 6, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Regarding the DesNews article that the Illinois bishop acted alone in opposing the Illinois civil union bill:

    I’m still mystified that the Church’s statement infers that local Church leaders are free to express their own political views in emails to their congregation. Are bishops/BPs *really* free to express political opinions to their congregation and in their official capacity? This press release really surprised me.

  7. mmiles on March 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    If you take the line that this is “not” a political issue, but a moral one, then bishops are entitled to receive revelation for their own ward’s direction.

    The other issue when politics is involved is whether or not ecclesiastical leaders are free to express their own views. Expressing your own views does in no way tell others how to vote.

  8. Hunter on March 6, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, mmiles, that makes sense, I guess. While technically within his rights, I still would guess the Church is not happy about it.

  9. Marc Bohn on March 6, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    It’s also possible that privately the Church may have expressed its disapproval to the Bishop, but publicly does not what to embarrass him.

  10. mmiles on March 7, 2009 at 2:13 am

    I’m in no way saying they are pleased. It seems to me simply that that line of reasoning could be the bishop’s–who knows.

  11. Timj on March 8, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Marc Bohn,
    My guess is that is exactly what happened.
    Am I wrong to also hope that that’s exactly what happened?

  12. Ugly Mahana on March 8, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    The bootlegged internet copy of the email I saw did not purport to be from the Bishop, but was sent “with his permission.” I am not aware of any Church-approved email lists. Wouldn’t a Church push start with a letter to local leaders?

  13. confused on March 9, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    So, I’m curious. There was a link to a scanned image of the TV Guide article about Big Love in the sidebar links until today (the PDF file was hosted here too). I don’t see it in the archive either:

    Did someone ask you to take it down? What is the story behind the decision to remove it?

  14. Frank McIntyre on March 10, 2009 at 11:24 am

    No big story, just the obvious one. We decided it was not a good idea to host the pdf, even for purposes of pointing out what bad taste the TVguide article was in. So we pulled it.

  15. confused on March 10, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    ok, I understand the rethinking and respect the decision to no longer provide a link, but in a case like that wouldn’t it make more sense to leave the text in the link bar and delink it (and possibly strike-through it) instead of making in vanish like it was never there? Or maybe leave the link, but change the pdf to an explanation of why it was removed?

    I’m betting at least a few people directed people to TimesAndSeasons to reference the link.

  16. Frank McIntyre on March 11, 2009 at 8:29 am

    I suppose so. In recognition of our mistake, all involved T&S staff will be docked 50% of their pay.

  17. Adam Greenwood on March 11, 2009 at 8:31 am


  18. Frank McIntyre on March 11, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Take it like a man, Greenwood.

  19. confused on March 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    oh well, nothing like revising your own history and then claiming you can’t fix it because you aren’t paid.

  20. Frank McIntyre on March 11, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Start paying me and I’ll start doing boring administrative tasks from which I perceive little benefit.

    I honestly don’t know how to bring back an old link that has been deleted (though with enough time I could probably figure it out). And why make a pdf to say “there is no pdf” when people can easily see there isn’t one? All of these issues could be resolved if they mattered enough or I got paid to do them, but they fall below my threshold for volunteer work.

    I’m serious, by the way. You paypal me $50 and I’ll spend 15 minutes trying to take care of what you want.

  21. Kaimi on March 11, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Yes, but will you dance the funky chicken?

  22. Frank McIntyre on March 11, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Probably not for 15 minutes.

    But try me…

  23. Adam Greenwood on March 11, 2009 at 2:28 pm


    I’ll do it for $40. Payment in advance.

  24. confused on March 11, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Give me temporary admin access and I’ll do it for free.

  25. Adam Greenwood on March 11, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Temporary admin access will cost you more than $40.

  26. Steve Evans on March 11, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    …your immortal soul (or a box of Cheez-Its) is the typical fee for T&S admin privileges.

  27. Marc Bohn on March 11, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    We probably shouldn’t discuss what’s involved in gaining admin privileges to BCC…

  28. Steve Evans on March 11, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Admins at BCC never had souls, silly.

  29. Frank McIntyre on March 11, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    It’s an interesting market information problem. The more you are willing to pay, the more sure we are we don’t want to give it to you.

    Sort of like elections.

  30. confused on March 11, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    A hypothetical to determine the value: If T&S admin rights were sold at a typical Scout ward fundraiser auction, how much would they go for? I’ll pay that much.

  31. Adam Greenwood on March 12, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Hypothetically, too much. Once you are willing to pay what I consider to be too much, you’ve got a deal.

  32. James on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Take Frank’s offer in #50. It’s a bargain at $200 per hour.

  33. James on March 12, 2009 at 11:26 am

    sorry I meant #20.


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