Comments on: Are Mormons Crazy for Porn?

By: Adam Greenwood

Adam Greenwood — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:29:12 +0000

Courtesy never faileth, but that’s probably enough politesse for now.

By: aloysiusmiller

aloysiusmiller — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:18:31 +0000

Ardis of course you’re right except I wouldn’t consider my courtesy extraordinary. It is only your due.

By: Ardis Parshall

Ardis Parshall — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:42:12 +0000

Thank you, aloysiusmiller. I didn’t know you had it in you, either to discern truth or to defend honor. This is so unexpected, yet so absolutely right.

Michael, a follow-up comment from me apparently didn’t post — I noted that your description of the wide availability of European porn was thorough, but that your comment seemed incomplete. I asked you to finish your thought and tell us what effect the wide and public availability of porn had in Europe. This thread assumes that an apparently high use of porn in Utah is shameful, but your comment could logically lead to the conclusion that Utah/American porn levels weren’t so bad, given conditions in Europe.

Thank you for clarifying.

And thank you again, aloysiusmiller, for your extraordinary courtesy in openly defending me as you have done. It just possible — barely possible — that you aren’t quite as bad as you usually make yourself out to be.

By: aloysiusmiller

aloysiusmiller — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:19:57 +0000

Ardis didn’t mean to be hurtful Michael. It isn’t in her nature.

By: Michael von Scherf

Michael von Scherf — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:34:16 +0000

Ardis, comment 61. Your remark about my thinking it was ‘good’ was hurtful & demeaning. I find the magazines/advertising disgusting. The problem here is that it is so common, it is a challenge to avoid such material. However, having the Holy Ghost as a CONSTANT companion is the best weapon I know of to keep one’s thoughts and actions pure amid a flood of such material. I strictly follow Alma 13.

By: Adam Greenwood

Adam Greenwood — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:15:26 +0000

Doesn’t explain various bits of often contradictory oral culture about sex that get passed around Mormons as being religiously defined. (You know, opinions on things like oral sex, anal sex, visiting strip clubs without touching the dancers, whether lusting after one’s spouse is acceptable, the acceptability of various positions for intercourse, and so on.)

Your claim, as I understand it, is that this ambiguity contributes to porn use. Are you really saying that if Monson got up this General Conference and said, ‘the following are church-approved sexual practices,’ etc., and nailed down every one of your ‘ambiguities,’ porn use would drop? Color me sceptical.

By: Ardis E. Parshall

Ardis E. Parshall — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:13:32 +0000

And… you find that a GOOD thing, Michael?

By: Michael von Scherf

Michael von Scherf — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:29:46 +0000

I find the comments above very interesting. I live in Hiedelburg, Germany and fly to the US often. I think most of the above commentators have not been to Europe. Pornographic magazines are fully displayed (nothing hidden) in all bookstores, gasoline stations, markets, etc., and in public areas such as the walking districts of towns/cities. There are at least a hundred such magazines published and displayed. Europe is much more open about the human body. I don’t have an interest in such magazines, mine is model railroads and aircraft, but the porn magazines are displayed next to the hobby magazines, so it is very difficult to not see the covers of them. Go to Denmark or Holland and it is even more so. In addition, regular magazines, fashion magazines, advertizing billboards usually have very revealing pictures. Here these types of (porn) magazines are not looked at unfavorably.

By: aloysiusmiller

aloysiusmiller — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 11:01:22 +0000

Jeremy (58) , I am not sure what you hated. The referenced study or this post. Pray tell…

By: Jeremy Light

Jeremy Light — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:00:34 +0000

I just wanted you to know that I hated your article and I’m not even LDS. It is complete and utter tripe.