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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/02/michael-scott-and-cs-lewis/#comment-284892</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding what Hunter says in #18:

One of the things that I have found interesting about watching the American version of the Office is how much All That Has Gone on Before impacts how I view an individual episode. Some of the funny and more especially the pathos (and this was especially true in the Michael Scott arc with Holly) comes from prior episodes and seasons. I&#039;m not talking about direct references to events of the past (although those do happen from time to time) but rather the set of behaviors and reactions we expect from the characters as well as an anticipation over such in relation to their knowledge of the past and the re-shifting of statuses that occur.

This is a very different experience from watching Seinfeld (no change of characters or situations, really) or Friends (major changes in relationships and statuses but none that really made the current funny all that more funny or interesting).

Perhaps I&#039;m seeing things that aren&#039;t actually there. But the characters in the Office and their relationships do shift subtly over time and those shifts do impact future writing and current viewing. One excellent example: The Phyllis of season one wouldn&#039;t have the guts to take over Angela&#039;s party planner position. The  Phyllis of season four/five is able to because of a newfound sense of security (related to her marriage to Bob Vance) and because of her knowing about and being willing to exploit the cracks in Angela&#039;s facade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding what Hunter says in #18:</p>
<p>One of the things that I have found interesting about watching the American version of the Office is how much All That Has Gone on Before impacts how I view an individual episode. Some of the funny and more especially the pathos (and this was especially true in the Michael Scott arc with Holly) comes from prior episodes and seasons. I&#8217;m not talking about direct references to events of the past (although those do happen from time to time) but rather the set of behaviors and reactions we expect from the characters as well as an anticipation over such in relation to their knowledge of the past and the re-shifting of statuses that occur.</p>
<p>This is a very different experience from watching Seinfeld (no change of characters or situations, really) or Friends (major changes in relationships and statuses but none that really made the current funny all that more funny or interesting).</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m seeing things that aren&#8217;t actually there. But the characters in the Office and their relationships do shift subtly over time and those shifts do impact future writing and current viewing. One excellent example: The Phyllis of season one wouldn&#8217;t have the guts to take over Angela&#8217;s party planner position. The  Phyllis of season four/five is able to because of a newfound sense of security (related to her marriage to Bob Vance) and because of her knowing about and being willing to exploit the cracks in Angela&#8217;s facade.</p>
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		<title>By: Lupita</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/02/michael-scott-and-cs-lewis/#comment-284875</link>
		<dc:creator>Lupita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Carborendum</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/02/michael-scott-and-cs-lewis/#comment-284873</link>
		<dc:creator>Carborendum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 04:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you&#039;re missing a very real phenomenon that isn&#039;t easily categorizeable (is that even a word?)

When Heath Ledger was reading for (I believe) &quot;Knight&#039;s Tale&quot; or possibly &quot;10 Things . . .&quot; the director told the casting directors,&quot;Ladies, I&#039;ve never wanted to sleep with a man.  But if I did, that would be the man.  Please hire him.&quot;

Now, clearly this was not a homosexual tendency or advance or desire.  But some people just exude a sexuality that isn&#039;t about our libido.  It is about an exitement that manifests itself in a variety of emotions -- including eros.  The problem is that I just can&#039;t see that with Ryan.  But maybe that is what they&#039;re trying to portray.  

Or maybe we&#039;re over-analyzing a non-sensical joke that doesn&#039;t have to mean anything to be funny.  

Gee, could such a thing come from &quot;The Office&quot;?  Naaahhh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you&#8217;re missing a very real phenomenon that isn&#8217;t easily categorizeable (is that even a word?)</p>
<p>When Heath Ledger was reading for (I believe) &#8220;Knight&#8217;s Tale&#8221; or possibly &#8220;10 Things . . .&#8221; the director told the casting directors,&#8221;Ladies, I&#8217;ve never wanted to sleep with a man.  But if I did, that would be the man.  Please hire him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, clearly this was not a homosexual tendency or advance or desire.  But some people just exude a sexuality that isn&#8217;t about our libido.  It is about an exitement that manifests itself in a variety of emotions &#8212; including eros.  The problem is that I just can&#8217;t see that with Ryan.  But maybe that is what they&#8217;re trying to portray.  </p>
<p>Or maybe we&#8217;re over-analyzing a non-sensical joke that doesn&#8217;t have to mean anything to be funny.  </p>
<p>Gee, could such a thing come from &#8220;The Office&#8221;?  Naaahhh.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this to my husband, who teaches a course in CS Lewis and who is a great fan of &quot;The Office.&quot;  He liked it.  Kudos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this to my husband, who teaches a course in CS Lewis and who is a great fan of &#8220;The Office.&#8221;  He liked it.  Kudos.</p>
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		<title>By: Catania</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/02/michael-scott-and-cs-lewis/#comment-284868</link>
		<dc:creator>Catania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe all of this can be rectified if C.S. Lewis had included a fifth type of love:
&quot;Man Crush.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe all of this can be rectified if C.S. Lewis had included a fifth type of love:<br />
&#8220;Man Crush.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good enough, Nate Oman.  I suppose I was probably responding more to comment no. 2 than your original post, and should have directed my comment to Geoff B.  And I repeat my appreciation of the main point you make in the post.  This is good stuff.

But, if, by your reference to Socrates, you are agreeing with Geoff B&#039;s comment about the &quot;genius&quot; mixture of Michael Scott&#039;s personality traits, I suppose all I can say is that I think it takes some major creativity to get there.  No, you don&#039;t have to care what the script writers think, but to ascribe some overall purpose and seasons-long development of Michael Scott&#039;s character in this regard is, to me, a bit too charitable.

Either that, or maybe I just need to watch more episodes of The Office to really get it.

Anyhow, back to your main point.  I apologize to the extent my comments were an unneccessary threadjack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good enough, Nate Oman.  I suppose I was probably responding more to comment no. 2 than your original post, and should have directed my comment to Geoff B.  And I repeat my appreciation of the main point you make in the post.  This is good stuff.</p>
<p>But, if, by your reference to Socrates, you are agreeing with Geoff B&#8217;s comment about the &#8220;genius&#8221; mixture of Michael Scott&#8217;s personality traits, I suppose all I can say is that I think it takes some major creativity to get there.  No, you don&#8217;t have to care what the script writers think, but to ascribe some overall purpose and seasons-long development of Michael Scott&#8217;s character in this regard is, to me, a bit too charitable.</p>
<p>Either that, or maybe I just need to watch more episodes of The Office to really get it.</p>
<p>Anyhow, back to your main point.  I apologize to the extent my comments were an unneccessary threadjack.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incidentally, my main point is that there are more ways of thinking about love in heaven and hell than are dreamt of in the philosophy of Freud and sexual identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, my main point is that there are more ways of thinking about love in heaven and hell than are dreamt of in the philosophy of Freud and sexual identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/02/michael-scott-and-cs-lewis/#comment-284862</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunter: Why should I care what the authors are thinking?  I don&#039;t see that the meaning of what they create is limited by their intentions.  Indeed, I think that Socrates was right; generally speaking when the poets say something profound or beautiful they don&#039;t know why they do so and aren&#039;t even particularlly good at articluating how they do what they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter: Why should I care what the authors are thinking?  I don&#8217;t see that the meaning of what they create is limited by their intentions.  Indeed, I think that Socrates was right; generally speaking when the poets say something profound or beautiful they don&#8217;t know why they do so and aren&#8217;t even particularlly good at articluating how they do what they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate, while I appreciate your point that Lewis&#039; four kinds of love can be, say, intermingled, I hardly think The Office is the best way to prove your point.  I mean, for all of its subtlety, The Office is still just a sit-com.  Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but I hardly doubt that the writers of The Office sit around trying to figure out how to make Michael Scott&#039;s character uniquely multidimensional in this regard.  Rather, I think they come up with a plot line, and mold his reaction for the purpose of creating most laughs.

Having said that, I think Steve Carell is a terrific actor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate, while I appreciate your point that Lewis&#8217; four kinds of love can be, say, intermingled, I hardly think The Office is the best way to prove your point.  I mean, for all of its subtlety, The Office is still just a sit-com.  Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I hardly doubt that the writers of The Office sit around trying to figure out how to make Michael Scott&#8217;s character uniquely multidimensional in this regard.  Rather, I think they come up with a plot line, and mold his reaction for the purpose of creating most laughs.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think Steve Carell is a terrific actor.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Perkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DANGIT. Wm Morris beat me to the &quot;I love this post&quot; joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DANGIT. Wm Morris beat me to the &#8220;I love this post&#8221; joke!</p>
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