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		<title>By: Frank McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284462</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No on 8 more comments.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284461</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No on 8 tacos.  Have you ever tried eating 8 tacos in one sitting?  Impossible.  It does not harmonize with my constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No on 8 tacos.  Have you ever tried eating 8 tacos in one sitting?  Impossible.  It does not harmonize with my constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Frank!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Frank!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Kramer</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284458</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond #47 basically concedes the point that Sister Blah 2 and Steve E and others are arguing -- that Adam is wrong and the US does not fund abortions under Obama&#039;s policy.  On the other hand, he does say that even for a project that has nothing to do with abortion, he would rather fund an anti-abortion group to do the project,rather than a pro-abortion group, if for no other reason than as a way of expressing his preference and motivating groups to be anti-abortion.

Following Kaimi&#039;s provocative suggestion (#113), I&#039;d argue that you could take Raymond&#039;s comment comment (and like-minded sentiment throughout this thread) as essentially articulating a defense of actions like the boycotts against yes-on-8 donors.  Even if you think that $5 is a fair price for a burrito, and you are paying El Coyote for a burrito (not paying them to donate to yes-on-8), you would prefer to give your $5 to a no-on-8 taco shop rather than a yes-on-8 taco shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond #47 basically concedes the point that Sister Blah 2 and Steve E and others are arguing &#8212; that Adam is wrong and the US does not fund abortions under Obama&#8217;s policy.  On the other hand, he does say that even for a project that has nothing to do with abortion, he would rather fund an anti-abortion group to do the project,rather than a pro-abortion group, if for no other reason than as a way of expressing his preference and motivating groups to be anti-abortion.</p>
<p>Following Kaimi&#8217;s provocative suggestion (#113), I&#8217;d argue that you could take Raymond&#8217;s comment comment (and like-minded sentiment throughout this thread) as essentially articulating a defense of actions like the boycotts against yes-on-8 donors.  Even if you think that $5 is a fair price for a burrito, and you are paying El Coyote for a burrito (not paying them to donate to yes-on-8), you would prefer to give your $5 to a no-on-8 taco shop rather than a yes-on-8 taco shop.</p>
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		<title>By: sister blah 2</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284457</link>
		<dc:creator>sister blah 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US Government website on foreign aid:

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/pop/restrictions.html

Quote: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Helms Amendment

No foreign assistance funds may be used to pay for the performance of abortion as a method of family planning or to motivate or coerce any person to practice abortions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

An executive order (what Obama did) cannot override this law, because the executive branch must follow laws passed by congress (ignore what Nixon said in the  Frost/Nixon interview--he was wrong; presidents are bound by the law). 

Of course, there should be oversight to ensure that this law is being followed, i.e. that the accounting measures Steve outlined in #110 are being followed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Government website on foreign aid:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/pop/restrictions.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/pop/restrictions.html</a></p>
<p>Quote: </p>
<blockquote><p>The Helms Amendment</p>
<p>No foreign assistance funds may be used to pay for the performance of abortion as a method of family planning or to motivate or coerce any person to practice abortions.</p></blockquote>
<p>An executive order (what Obama did) cannot override this law, because the executive branch must follow laws passed by congress (ignore what Nixon said in the  Frost/Nixon interview&#8211;he was wrong; presidents are bound by the law). </p>
<p>Of course, there should be oversight to ensure that this law is being followed, i.e. that the accounting measures Steve outlined in #110 are being followed.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284454</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #53 and #70 (Abortions at LDS Hospital)

I realize I&#039;m a bit late to this thread, but just to be very, very clear...

The &quot;dilation and curretage&quot; procedure mentioned in #53 is very often not an &quot;abortion&quot; procedure at all and should in no way be interpreted as church endorsement or funding of elective abortions.  Without going into too much gore here, there are a whole stack of reasons why women may need to have one.

As a semi-related general word of caution, medical professionals often will casually refer to this procedure as a &quot;D&amp;C.&quot;  Without getting too graphic here, my being aware of this association has influenced me (FWIW) to try and be very careful in public settings, when referring to that certain book of LDS scripture, to always refer to it as the &quot;Doctrine and Covenants&quot;, knowing that for many women* the term &quot;D&amp;C&quot; has some pretty nasty associations.

*...including my wife, who needed a D&amp;C (to save her life) *after* delivering the (intact) dead body of our stillborn first child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #53 and #70 (Abortions at LDS Hospital)</p>
<p>I realize I&#8217;m a bit late to this thread, but just to be very, very clear&#8230;</p>
<p>The &#8220;dilation and curretage&#8221; procedure mentioned in #53 is very often not an &#8220;abortion&#8221; procedure at all and should in no way be interpreted as church endorsement or funding of elective abortions.  Without going into too much gore here, there are a whole stack of reasons why women may need to have one.</p>
<p>As a semi-related general word of caution, medical professionals often will casually refer to this procedure as a &#8220;D&amp;C.&#8221;  Without getting too graphic here, my being aware of this association has influenced me (FWIW) to try and be very careful in public settings, when referring to that certain book of LDS scripture, to always refer to it as the &#8220;Doctrine and Covenants&#8221;, knowing that for many women* the term &#8220;D&amp;C&#8221; has some pretty nasty associations.</p>
<p>*&#8230;including my wife, who needed a D&amp;C (to save her life) *after* delivering the (intact) dead body of our stillborn first child.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi Wenger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284452</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi Wenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments closing already?  Darn.  And I was just getting ready to write a comment about how the Mexico City Policy affects gay marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments closing already?  Darn.  And I was just getting ready to write a comment about how the Mexico City Policy affects gay marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: aloysiusmiller</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284451</link>
		<dc:creator>aloysiusmiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry Reid voted to fund overseas abortions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Reid voted to fund overseas abortions.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284445</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your new heavy-handed admin style, Frank.  It suits you.  Kind of like the suit from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3CzYw5-qdA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Project Grizzly&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your new heavy-handed admin style, Frank.  It suits you.  Kind of like the suit from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3CzYw5-qdA" rel="nofollow">Project Grizzly</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/united-states-to-fund-abortions-abroad/#comment-284444</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I said I realized I probably was [an idiot].&quot;

Fair enough.  My mistake.

&quot;I still can’t see how money coming into the bank doesn’t translate to money going out for expenses.&quot;

It&#039;s fairly simple, actually.  Many multipurpose charitable organizations have multiple directed accounts or budgets; when donors place directed conditions of use on their donations, those organizations designate the funds to go into accounts which only certain segments are authorized to touch.  I suppose your concern would be more valid if you were dealing with a very small organization or business with a single bank account or no internal accounting system to ensure that funds are not internally mishandled.  But if I give money say to the United Way and direct that the funds be used towards a specific arm of their organization, that&#039;s how they&#039;ll be used.  Same with organizations that have contraceptive or abortion-related services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I said I realized I probably was [an idiot].&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough.  My mistake.</p>
<p>&#8220;I still can’t see how money coming into the bank doesn’t translate to money going out for expenses.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fairly simple, actually.  Many multipurpose charitable organizations have multiple directed accounts or budgets; when donors place directed conditions of use on their donations, those organizations designate the funds to go into accounts which only certain segments are authorized to touch.  I suppose your concern would be more valid if you were dealing with a very small organization or business with a single bank account or no internal accounting system to ensure that funds are not internally mishandled.  But if I give money say to the United Way and direct that the funds be used towards a specific arm of their organization, that&#8217;s how they&#8217;ll be used.  Same with organizations that have contraceptive or abortion-related services.</p>
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