Comments on: Notes From All Over http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:23:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anon. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283483 Anon. Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:01:19 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283483 No condescension here. There really is a difference between homosexuality and homosexual in the context of the statements made by the church. No condescension here. There really is a difference between homosexuality and homosexual in the context of the statements made by the church.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283476 Adam Greenwood Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:56:57 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283476 Save the condescension, Anon. Disagreeing with you or your definitions is not the same as careless reading. Save the condescension, Anon. Disagreeing with you or your definitions is not the same as careless reading.

]]> By: Anon. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283475 Anon. Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:50:04 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283475 Rob, slow down and read more carefully, you and I are addressing related but different issues. Rob, slow down and read more carefully, you and I are addressing related but different issues.

]]> By: Rob Perkins http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283462 Rob Perkins Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:35:16 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283462 Incorrect: Current policy acknowledges homosexuality, but insists that the causes are complex and not completely known. Current doctrine permits sexual reproductive activity only between a man and a woman, married to one another, while neither acknowledging or denying the existence of homosexuals. LDS leaders are not idiots, and not at all the same as Chris Buttars (for one disturbing anti-gay example). They've made no effort to hide either their position on the subject or the thought process behind the position. It's all on the Church's Newsroom website for viewing. Incorrect: Current policy acknowledges homosexuality, but insists that the causes are complex and not completely known. Current doctrine permits sexual reproductive activity only between a man and a woman, married to one another, while neither acknowledging or denying the existence of homosexuals.

LDS leaders are not idiots, and not at all the same as Chris Buttars (for one disturbing anti-gay example). They’ve made no effort to hide either their position on the subject or the thought process behind the position. It’s all on the Church’s Newsroom website for viewing.

]]> By: Anon. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283460 Anon. Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:35:37 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283460 "Do you think there will be an official church statement in the near future about the importance of not discriminating against gay partners when it comes to civil matters such as health benefits and rights, etc…? I am glad that the issue is being studied and evaluated." No, I don't think there will be. The Church is not really in favor of these rights, it just chooses not to oppose them where they are already established, that is a substantial difference. Here is the thing, current doctrine does not really admit that homosexuals exist. Current doctrine states that there is "same sex attraction" but comprehends same sex attraction as a struggle, a problem, or pathology effecting heterosexuals. So actually supporting these kinds of rights for same sex couples would be a step in the direction of admitting that homosexuality is real, and not just a problem that some, otherwise heterosexual, people struggle with. “Do you think there will be an official church statement in the near future about the importance of not discriminating against gay partners when it comes to civil matters such as health benefits and rights, etc…? I am glad that the issue is being studied and evaluated.”

No, I don’t think there will be. The Church is not really in favor of these rights, it just chooses not to oppose them where they are already established, that is a substantial difference. Here is the thing, current doctrine does not really admit that homosexuals exist. Current doctrine states that there is “same sex attraction” but comprehends same sex attraction as a struggle, a problem, or pathology effecting heterosexuals. So actually supporting these kinds of rights for same sex couples would be a step in the direction of admitting that homosexuality is real, and not just a problem that some, otherwise heterosexual, people struggle with.

]]> By: Chino Blanco http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283431 Chino Blanco Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:21:45 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283431 Re #7 & #8: the AP piece on this topic was widely reprinted: <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4yX0PUbQslfQbV4T_SeI_DmFeHgD95JIS8G0" rel="nofollow">Calif. gay marriage foes want donors anonymous</a> Re "ABC's Nightline too ...": ABC has been scrubbing comments faster than you can say Jack Robinson. Re #7 & #8: the AP piece on this topic was widely reprinted: Calif. gay marriage foes want donors anonymous

Re “ABC’s Nightline too …”: ABC has been scrubbing comments faster than you can say Jack Robinson.

]]> By: Marc Bohn http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283430 Marc Bohn Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:49:03 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283430 I had intended to link to that article because it's the only real article I'd seen reporting on it. While I haven't seen any other press on it, in response to your comment I looked around a bit more and found a press release from the Yes on 8 campaign which the link now runs to. I had intended to link to that article because it’s the only real article I’d seen reporting on it. While I haven’t seen any other press on it, in response to your comment I looked around a bit more and found a press release from the Yes on 8 campaign which the link now runs to.

]]> By: WillF http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283429 WillF Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:39:31 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283429 Did Marc really mean to link to the particular article tied to "Prop 8 supporters file suit to conceal donor identities"? It is full of anti Mormon propaganda. Are you sure there isn't a better article that conveys the same news? Did Marc really mean to link to the particular article tied to “Prop 8 supporters file suit to conceal donor identities”? It is full of anti Mormon propaganda. Are you sure there isn’t a better article that conveys the same news?

]]> By: PK http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283407 PK Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:54:49 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283407 Adam, I fear you just made yourself a target for fundamentalist extremists. You probably further piqued the zombies' interest, too. By the way, speaking of "pique," thank you for giving me my new handle, "PK." I like it, I'm keeping it. Adam, I fear you just made yourself a target for fundamentalist extremists.

You probably further piqued the zombies’ interest, too.

By the way, speaking of “pique,” thank you for giving me my new handle, “PK.” I like it, I’m keeping it.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/01/notes-from-all-over-15/#comment-283405 Adam Greenwood Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:26:48 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=5273#comment-283405 <i>Really, Adam? You picking a fight with me?</i> Nah, it wouldn't be fair. Out here in the alfalfa fields I split atoms with my mind. Really, Adam? You picking a fight with me?

Nah, it wouldn’t be fair. Out here in the alfalfa fields I split atoms with my mind.

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