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		<title>By: Eric Russell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-283226</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frost/Nixon is great fun, but hardly important, whatever important means.</description>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282793</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ gst: Ha! I did neglect that, unfortunately. If I ever give the talk again, I&#039;ll have to work it in :-)</description>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282744</link>
		<dc:creator>gst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet I have made a conscious choice to see what I considered “important” films with an R rating. That requires some serious thought about what constitutes important, but some examples might include “Saving Private Ryan” or Schindler’s List”, or most recently, “Frost/Nixon”.&quot;

I would also include the &quot;Porky&#039;s&quot; cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet I have made a conscious choice to see what I considered “important” films with an R rating. That requires some serious thought about what constitutes important, but some examples might include “Saving Private Ryan” or Schindler’s List”, or most recently, “Frost/Nixon”.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would also include the &#8220;Porky&#8217;s&#8221; cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282743</link>
		<dc:creator>gst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyway, I described how the Las Vegas Temple overlooks the Strip, acting as a beacon of righteousness in Sin City, and compared that to our lives and how our discipleship makes us a beacon to others.&quot;

I hope you didn&#039;t neglect to point out its utility as an aerial navigation aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyway, I described how the Las Vegas Temple overlooks the Strip, acting as a beacon of righteousness in Sin City, and compared that to our lives and how our discipleship makes us a beacon to others.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you didn&#8217;t neglect to point out its utility as an aerial navigation aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282565</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure whether anyone is still reading this thread, but I&#039;ve been thinking about this quite a bit since my last comment several days ago; in fact, I posted my comment on my own blog and solicited opinions from my minuscule readership.

Here are some of my thoughts.

Prophets have warned us against consuming media that offends the Spirit. However, I believe we can all agree that the Spirit manifests itself in different ways and in different magnitudes to different individuals, based in part on our personalities and in part on our worthiness. Furthermore, while we have been explicitly counseled to avoid R-rated movies, there is a huge gray area in other aspects of media consumption -- print, televised, etc. -- which is, in part, suggested by the Lord&#039;s statement that we should not be commanded in all things. I strongly believe that prophets and apostles have shied away from commenting in clear, unequivocal terms on what television programs we should consume (despite a TV ratings system that would allow them to do so in much the same way as they have with the MPAA system) in part because of this commandment in the Doctrine and Covenants and, in part, because there may truly be areas of the gospel where a certain person can handle programs and sports columns without offending the Spirit where another cannot. This is normal; we are individuals. The way is straight and narrow, but it is not a tightrope.

I believe that there is, as comment #39 says, a huge and usually crystal-clear difference between depicting and advocating. Never once have I felt that Bill Simmons is &quot;selling me&quot; on pornography, strip clubs, one-night stands, or anything like these. He depicts these things, and that certainly is regretable; I would prefer that he stick to writing about sports. But in to me, he doesn&#039;t advocate them. Heck, beer commercials (including the one which stars our very own Kirby Heyborne, for what it&#039;s worth) do more to advocate that kind of lifestyle, in my mind.

I do not believe that watching The Office, or reading Bill Simmons, will keep you from an eternal reward (in reference to comment #45), unless your particular personality is such that the Spirit is offended when you watch it, or if it directly contributes to a bad habit of some sort. I just can&#039;t believe that the Lord, with His tremendous love and mercy toward each of His children, is into splitting hairs as long as we&#039;re progressing and becoming a little bit more like Him each day. If you feel a loss of the Spirit when you do these things, by all means stop doing them.

Regarding comment #26, ironically, I did actually quote Bill Simmons from the pulpit once. I was giving a talk on discipleship and began with an analogy regarding Las Vegas (a common topic in Simmons&#039; columns). This was shortly after the NBA All-Star Game was played there, and he wrote about just how wild things had gotten. (That was, in the context of this thread, one of the more skippable columns I suppose.) Anyway, I described how the Las Vegas Temple overlooks the Strip, acting as a beacon of righteousness in Sin City, and compared that to our lives and how our discipleship makes us a beacon to others.

[Ed. -- Thanks for this comment.  In my opinion the column I linked moved beyond depicting to advocating.  Anyway, a sports column shouldn&#039;t need to &#039;depict&#039; incessantly.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether anyone is still reading this thread, but I&#8217;ve been thinking about this quite a bit since my last comment several days ago; in fact, I posted my comment on my own blog and solicited opinions from my minuscule readership.</p>
<p>Here are some of my thoughts.</p>
<p>Prophets have warned us against consuming media that offends the Spirit. However, I believe we can all agree that the Spirit manifests itself in different ways and in different magnitudes to different individuals, based in part on our personalities and in part on our worthiness. Furthermore, while we have been explicitly counseled to avoid R-rated movies, there is a huge gray area in other aspects of media consumption &#8212; print, televised, etc. &#8212; which is, in part, suggested by the Lord&#8217;s statement that we should not be commanded in all things. I strongly believe that prophets and apostles have shied away from commenting in clear, unequivocal terms on what television programs we should consume (despite a TV ratings system that would allow them to do so in much the same way as they have with the MPAA system) in part because of this commandment in the Doctrine and Covenants and, in part, because there may truly be areas of the gospel where a certain person can handle programs and sports columns without offending the Spirit where another cannot. This is normal; we are individuals. The way is straight and narrow, but it is not a tightrope.</p>
<p>I believe that there is, as comment #39 says, a huge and usually crystal-clear difference between depicting and advocating. Never once have I felt that Bill Simmons is &#8220;selling me&#8221; on pornography, strip clubs, one-night stands, or anything like these. He depicts these things, and that certainly is regretable; I would prefer that he stick to writing about sports. But in to me, he doesn&#8217;t advocate them. Heck, beer commercials (including the one which stars our very own Kirby Heyborne, for what it&#8217;s worth) do more to advocate that kind of lifestyle, in my mind.</p>
<p>I do not believe that watching The Office, or reading Bill Simmons, will keep you from an eternal reward (in reference to comment #45), unless your particular personality is such that the Spirit is offended when you watch it, or if it directly contributes to a bad habit of some sort. I just can&#8217;t believe that the Lord, with His tremendous love and mercy toward each of His children, is into splitting hairs as long as we&#8217;re progressing and becoming a little bit more like Him each day. If you feel a loss of the Spirit when you do these things, by all means stop doing them.</p>
<p>Regarding comment #26, ironically, I did actually quote Bill Simmons from the pulpit once. I was giving a talk on discipleship and began with an analogy regarding Las Vegas (a common topic in Simmons&#8217; columns). This was shortly after the NBA All-Star Game was played there, and he wrote about just how wild things had gotten. (That was, in the context of this thread, one of the more skippable columns I suppose.) Anyway, I described how the Las Vegas Temple overlooks the Strip, acting as a beacon of righteousness in Sin City, and compared that to our lives and how our discipleship makes us a beacon to others.</p>
<p>[Ed. -- Thanks for this comment.  In my opinion the column I linked moved beyond depicting to advocating.  Anyway, a sports column shouldn't need to 'depict' incessantly.]</p>
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		<title>By: Learned Hand</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282382</link>
		<dc:creator>Learned Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the silliest bit of navel gazing I have seen here. If the Office keeps me from an eternal reward then so be it.

[Ed. - But for Wales?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the silliest bit of navel gazing I have seen here. If the Office keeps me from an eternal reward then so be it.</p>
<p>[Ed. - But for Wales?]</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282351</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After rereading my previous comment, let me clear up any confusion.  I&#039;ve probably only seen a dozen or less R-rated films over the last fifteen years, and only a couple spring to mind as being mistakes, which shall remain unidentified.   Artistic value alone is not enough; moral considerations are a big part of the decision process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After rereading my previous comment, let me clear up any confusion.  I&#8217;ve probably only seen a dozen or less R-rated films over the last fifteen years, and only a couple spring to mind as being mistakes, which shall remain unidentified.   Artistic value alone is not enough; moral considerations are a big part of the decision process.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282350</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RT # 36, I have to agree with you.  After a frivolous youth, I have over the last fifteen years avoided R rated films, and with the help of film reviews a lot of PG-13 films as well.  Yet I have made a conscious choice to see what I considered &quot;important&quot; films with an R rating.  That requires some serious thought about what constitutes important, but some examples might include &quot;Saving Private Ryan&quot; or Schindler&#039;s List&quot;, or most recently, &quot;Frost/Nixon&quot;.  After a lot of investigation and trying to understand why the films got their R status, I then have decided whether or not the potential value outweighs the potential harm.  I&#039;ve fortunately only made a couple of mistakes on the handful (seriously, less than a dozen in fifteen years) of R films I&#039;ve seen, and have regretted many more PG-13  films I&#039;ve encountered.

The decisions end up being personal.  I respect Adam for his choice, but with no knowledge of Simmons and his sports commentary, I can&#039;t judge whether I would make the same choice or not.  It is why I have also given up reading most things by Stephen King.  Recently, the gratuitous stuff usually outweighs the good stuff, with rare exceptions.  It is hard to be poop-free in this poopy world we live in, but we can avoid getting it smeared all over us, and not feel bad when we have to  scrape our shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT # 36, I have to agree with you.  After a frivolous youth, I have over the last fifteen years avoided R rated films, and with the help of film reviews a lot of PG-13 films as well.  Yet I have made a conscious choice to see what I considered &#8220;important&#8221; films with an R rating.  That requires some serious thought about what constitutes important, but some examples might include &#8220;Saving Private Ryan&#8221; or Schindler&#8217;s List&#8221;, or most recently, &#8220;Frost/Nixon&#8221;.  After a lot of investigation and trying to understand why the films got their R status, I then have decided whether or not the potential value outweighs the potential harm.  I&#8217;ve fortunately only made a couple of mistakes on the handful (seriously, less than a dozen in fifteen years) of R films I&#8217;ve seen, and have regretted many more PG-13  films I&#8217;ve encountered.</p>
<p>The decisions end up being personal.  I respect Adam for his choice, but with no knowledge of Simmons and his sports commentary, I can&#8217;t judge whether I would make the same choice or not.  It is why I have also given up reading most things by Stephen King.  Recently, the gratuitous stuff usually outweighs the good stuff, with rare exceptions.  It is hard to be poop-free in this poopy world we live in, but we can avoid getting it smeared all over us, and not feel bad when we have to  scrape our shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: John K.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282334</link>
		<dc:creator>John K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been a huge Simmons fan forever. I think it&#039;s fine to overlook things you don&#039;t approve of. That is much different than enjoy those things. As long as you aren&#039;t looking forward to the strip club stories with your mouth watering, I don&#039;t see what the problem is.

PS. He was clearly pushing buttons with the statistical comparison of Williams and Paul this year. He got the rise he was looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been a huge Simmons fan forever. I think it&#8217;s fine to overlook things you don&#8217;t approve of. That is much different than enjoy those things. As long as you aren&#8217;t looking forward to the strip club stories with your mouth watering, I don&#8217;t see what the problem is.</p>
<p>PS. He was clearly pushing buttons with the statistical comparison of Williams and Paul this year. He got the rise he was looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/12/drop-bill-simmons/#comment-282310</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about the silliest, most frivolous post I&#039;ve seen at T&amp;S.</description>
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