The Fall Makes Righteous Pride Possible

November 1, 2008 | 7 comments
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Man is hungry for status like he is hungry for food (and they say the public schools don’t teach you anything!).

Are there any ways the gospel can satisfy our need for status?

I can think of three likelihoods.

1. The righteous and redeemed permanently have a status superior to that of the animals and the plants and the elements.

2. The righteous and redeemed have a status superior to that of their children who they are guiding towards righteousness and redemption.

3. This is the big one. In my conceit, I think this may be an important idea that may also be original. The idea is that we our superior to and have status over ourselves.

Remember Eve’s explanation that we need to fall and have sorrow if we are to have joy? It seems like Man can’t really understand that he is experiencing joy unless he has had some sorrow to compare it to.

When we try to domesticate pride and status we often try to say that they are OK if they don’t involve comparisons. You can be proud of your accomplishments, we say, but you can’t be proud of them because other people have failed to accomplish them. You can be happy that you ran cross-country in 17 minutes, but you can’t be happy that you came in first.

But I don’t think this is possible. I think you have to have that comparison, even if you try to suppress it or redirect it or pretend otherwise.

But taking satisfaction in other’s failures is still evil. And when we are all immortal Gods in communion with the Father and the Son, no one will be failing anymore. What then?

We will have our own failings to compare ourselves to, our mortal filth before the God redeemed us and raised us up.

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7 Responses to The Fall Makes Righteous Pride Possible

  1. Peter LLC on November 1, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    We will have our own failings to compare ourselves to, our mortal filth before the God redeemed us and raised us up.

    So the further we fall, the greater our redemption?

  2. quin on November 1, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    The natural man may be hungry for status-but those who truly understand what it means to be righteous and redeemed should not be.

    1-Since animals and plants fulfill the measure of their creation without sinning, it could be viewed that they are superior to those who require redemption because of sin. The earth is assured celestial glory-but all of God’s children are not.
    2-Children under the age of 8 cannot sin and would likely inherit a higher kingdom than their parents if they were to die. Aren’t children older than 8 who have repented fully for any sins committed considered to have the same “status” as a grown adult who has fully repented?

    Do you really think that “immortal Gods” will feel the need to compare themselves to anything or anyone-or thirst after status? If our mortal filth has been washed away and “forgotten” by both us and God, and we have achieved all that our Father and Christ have-then the filth of this world will be what failed not us. It will have failed to prevent us from obtaining the only status that truly matters-oneness with God and eternal life in His presence.

  3. Seth R. on November 1, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Admit it Adam,

    This whole post is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to rehabilitate the song “I’m Proud to Be an American.”

    Dude, some things are just beyond redemption. Time for healing.

  4. Phouchg on November 1, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    I am almost at the point where I can’t read LDS blogs until late November…quite a few are becoming rather unhinged.

  5. Adam Greenwood on November 2, 2008 at 12:39 am

    “rehabilitate the song “I’m Proud to Be an American.””

    Rehabilitation unnecessary.

    “Do you really think that “immortal Gods” will feel the need to compare themselves to anything or anyone”

    Yes. I don’t think knowledge of anything is fully possible without something to contrast it against.

  6. quin on November 3, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    The question was not “Do you think immortal Gods need something to compare themselves to?” because I have no doubt that immortal Gods will HAVE things to contrast against-the question was do you really think that such beings will “feel the need” to compare? Wouldn’t a perfect being have a perfect knowledge of his/her own perfection by default?

  7. Adam Greenwood on November 7, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    I don’t think the gospel has much room for ‘by default.’ For example, the scriptures suggest that we will only have a perfect knowledge of our happiness because we had passed through sorrow.

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