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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280445</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask anyone in America who is not a member of the church what they know about Mormons and, if they know anything at all about it, they are likely to give responses related to one or more of the following:
Utah
Polygamy
Missionaries
Abstinence from alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea. 

It’s unfortunate that there is so much misunderstanding and disagreement among the membership of the church regarding what is a very basic gospel principle, and especially one which is so widely a recognized practice associated with our faith. It made it very difficult for me as a Ward Mission Leader to help investigators and new members understand the Word of Wisdom when they got different answers from everyone they asked about it.

Consider the passage from which the disagreement stems: “And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.” (D&amp;C 89:9) Church leaders have stated unequivocally that “hot drinks” as pertains to the Word of Wisdom are defined as coffee and tea (i.e. Camellia sinensis). Therefore, don’t drink coffee and tea.

But that’s too simple for many members of the church. After all, there must be more to it than that, and we need to know not only what we should do to live in accordance with God’s laws, but also the reasons why. So it has been determined that the evil core of these forbidden beverages must lie in their content of caffeine, and along with that determination comes the inevitable reasoning that, a) coffee and tea with the caffeine removed must be okay (rationalization of unrighteous behavior, a.k.a. “sin”), and b) abstaining from any other food or beverage which contains caffeine is even more in keeping with God’s laws (self-righteous behavior, a.k.a. “sin”). Adding to the sins of rationalization and self-righteousness comes the additional and perhaps more egregious sin, that of infighting and judgementalism among the members who disagree on the interpretation of this simple law, and hence the need for our most senior church leaders to clarify this simple principle in their writings and sermons.

Let us follow the advice of Brother Boud by abstaining from unhealthy addictive practices, and let us also observe the higher laws of showing love for one another, avoiding pride and unrighteous judgment of one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask anyone in America who is not a member of the church what they know about Mormons and, if they know anything at all about it, they are likely to give responses related to one or more of the following:<br />
Utah<br />
Polygamy<br />
Missionaries<br />
Abstinence from alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea. </p>
<p>It’s unfortunate that there is so much misunderstanding and disagreement among the membership of the church regarding what is a very basic gospel principle, and especially one which is so widely a recognized practice associated with our faith. It made it very difficult for me as a Ward Mission Leader to help investigators and new members understand the Word of Wisdom when they got different answers from everyone they asked about it.</p>
<p>Consider the passage from which the disagreement stems: “And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.” (D&amp;C 89:9) Church leaders have stated unequivocally that “hot drinks” as pertains to the Word of Wisdom are defined as coffee and tea (i.e. Camellia sinensis). Therefore, don’t drink coffee and tea.</p>
<p>But that’s too simple for many members of the church. After all, there must be more to it than that, and we need to know not only what we should do to live in accordance with God’s laws, but also the reasons why. So it has been determined that the evil core of these forbidden beverages must lie in their content of caffeine, and along with that determination comes the inevitable reasoning that, a) coffee and tea with the caffeine removed must be okay (rationalization of unrighteous behavior, a.k.a. “sin”), and b) abstaining from any other food or beverage which contains caffeine is even more in keeping with God’s laws (self-righteous behavior, a.k.a. “sin”). Adding to the sins of rationalization and self-righteousness comes the additional and perhaps more egregious sin, that of infighting and judgementalism among the members who disagree on the interpretation of this simple law, and hence the need for our most senior church leaders to clarify this simple principle in their writings and sermons.</p>
<p>Let us follow the advice of Brother Boud by abstaining from unhealthy addictive practices, and let us also observe the higher laws of showing love for one another, avoiding pride and unrighteous judgment of one another.</p>
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		<title>By: meggle</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280187</link>
		<dc:creator>meggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie and Bookslinger, thank you, thank you for your comments directed to me.  I appreciate the support, and Bookslinger, I know that a lot of it is the act for me as well, so I may try the caffeine pills.  I&#039;m relatively new to these sites, and I can&#039;t tell you how much I feel like I have found something I needed- I sometimes feel like I don&#039;t fit in well with the &quot;mainstream&quot; church members, and that I&#039;m not doing a good enough job living the gospel, so why bother- but I&#039;ll tell you, after visiting a few websites where people were so &quot;not mainstream&quot; that I felt like we really didn&#039;t have similar beliefs, it has been a relief to land here and at BCC.  It is so nice to hear from people who seem to have strong testimonies, but still like to talk about how the gospel works in their lives in  a respectful, non-judgmental, open-minded way.  And I&#039;m sure there are those here who aren&#039;t members of the church, or maybe don&#039;t fit that description- all I know is that I leave this blog feeling challenged, uplifted and encouraged.  Thanks to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie and Bookslinger, thank you, thank you for your comments directed to me.  I appreciate the support, and Bookslinger, I know that a lot of it is the act for me as well, so I may try the caffeine pills.  I&#8217;m relatively new to these sites, and I can&#8217;t tell you how much I feel like I have found something I needed- I sometimes feel like I don&#8217;t fit in well with the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; church members, and that I&#8217;m not doing a good enough job living the gospel, so why bother- but I&#8217;ll tell you, after visiting a few websites where people were so &#8220;not mainstream&#8221; that I felt like we really didn&#8217;t have similar beliefs, it has been a relief to land here and at BCC.  It is so nice to hear from people who seem to have strong testimonies, but still like to talk about how the gospel works in their lives in  a respectful, non-judgmental, open-minded way.  And I&#8217;m sure there are those here who aren&#8217;t members of the church, or maybe don&#8217;t fit that description- all I know is that I leave this blog feeling challenged, uplifted and encouraged.  Thanks to all.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280181</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than half the Word of Wisdom addresses food, something most members, judging by my HP quorum, don&#039;t pay any attention to, since some of them are big as houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than half the Word of Wisdom addresses food, something most members, judging by my HP quorum, don&#8217;t pay any attention to, since some of them are big as houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meggle, according to a couple of my recovering-alcoholic friends, the scientific standard for addiction withdrawal is a reduction of no more than 10% per day for a minimum of 10 days, but plateauing wherever you want for a few days.  But only reducing 10% (of the original &quot;standard&quot; daily dose) at a time.  So rounding off: 30 ounces, 27 ounces, 24 ounces, 21 ounces, etc.   Going cold-turkey or trunkating the 10 day regimen vastly increases the odss of relapse.

I found that I have been addicted to the _act_ of drinking soda as much as I was to the caffeine.  So I used 200 mg caffeine pills for a while, and cut them into 1/4&#039;s with a pill cutter for a 50 mg &quot;dose&quot;.  I ended up consuming less caffeine with pills than I did with sodas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meggle, according to a couple of my recovering-alcoholic friends, the scientific standard for addiction withdrawal is a reduction of no more than 10% per day for a minimum of 10 days, but plateauing wherever you want for a few days.  But only reducing 10% (of the original &#8220;standard&#8221; daily dose) at a time.  So rounding off: 30 ounces, 27 ounces, 24 ounces, 21 ounces, etc.   Going cold-turkey or trunkating the 10 day regimen vastly increases the odss of relapse.</p>
<p>I found that I have been addicted to the _act_ of drinking soda as much as I was to the caffeine.  So I used 200 mg caffeine pills for a while, and cut them into 1/4&#8242;s with a pill cutter for a 50 mg &#8220;dose&#8221;.  I ended up consuming less caffeine with pills than I did with sodas.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meggle, thanks for your comment and your honesty.  

&quot;Feeling this bad physically makes me feel bad about my level of self-control, and on and on, which results in a spiritual downward spiral for me.&quot;

This is so true. My thing isn&#039;t soda, but I&#039;ve got other things (things that I&#039;m not as brave and open about as you are), and while they aren&#039;t really sins themselves, the lack of self-control leaves me feeling like a worm.  

Anyway, I&#039;ll be pulling for you.  Come back and comment when you&#039;re down to 24 oz. . . . and then 12oz . . . and then none.  We&#039;ll cheer you on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meggle, thanks for your comment and your honesty.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Feeling this bad physically makes me feel bad about my level of self-control, and on and on, which results in a spiritual downward spiral for me.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is so true. My thing isn&#8217;t soda, but I&#8217;ve got other things (things that I&#8217;m not as brave and open about as you are), and while they aren&#8217;t really sins themselves, the lack of self-control leaves me feeling like a worm.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll be pulling for you.  Come back and comment when you&#8217;re down to 24 oz. . . . and then 12oz . . . and then none.  We&#8217;ll cheer you on!</p>
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		<title>By: meggle</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280158</link>
		<dc:creator>meggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so I&#039;ve gotta weigh in here.  My best friend pointed the article out to me (prefaced with &quot;I&#039;m not trying to sound like your mother, but...&quot;)  I&#039;m really grateful I read it.  I, too, found it balanced and not at all preachy.  Here is my situation:  I didn&#039;t grow up drinking a lot of soda of any kind- but nobody in my family had a problem with the occasional coke.  During college, I used it primarily as fuel for all-nighters.  Since the birth of my 2nd child 12 years ago, I have only gone maybe 4 weeks (cumulatively, not consecutively) without having at least one can of some sort of caffeinated soda per day.  As of last week, I was probably averaging nearly 100 ounces per day (that&#039;s about 8.5 cans).  Needless to say, I&#039;m an addict.  I also hold a current temple recommend, and don&#039;t feel the need to give it up over this (in fact, in my occasional short-lived efforts to quit, I have found temple attendance to be helpful).
This article forced me to acknowledge something that I&#039;ve been trying to ignore for a while:  while I don&#039;t feel that I am committing a grave sin by being addicted to pop, it is certainly contributing to a sense of spiritual &quot;dullness&quot; that I&#039;ve been feeling lately, and I think it is really keeping me from progressing the way I need to be.  I&#039;m really struggling with this.  It is hard- I wish there were some kind of rehab for it, as silly as that may sound.    I think it starts out pretty harmlessly, but can get to a point where it is very detrimental- I was waking up in the morning craving it- I&#039;d get a little panicky if I thought I wasn&#039;t going to be able to have any (I took my own private cooler full to girl&#039;s camp)- really, I had become quite obsessive, not to mention tired, cranky, and down-right unhealthy.  Obviously, there are other contributing factors, but the pop addiction kind of fuels the others (if I&#039;m pulling through McD&#039;s for a pop, why not get a quarter pounder as well?).  Feeling this bad physically makes me feel bad about my level of self-control, and on and on, which results in a spiritual downward spiral for me.  
Anyhow, this is rather long-winded, but I really feel like this was a timely article for me, as I feel like we are entering a time in history when our personal spiritual strength and preparedness will be a great sifter.  So, for the past three days, I&#039;m down to one big-gulp a day (32 oz.)  May not sound great to most of you, but this is a huge improvement for me, and is taking massive amounts of willpower to stick to.  I didn&#039;t think I could do cold-turkey right now.  I tried that a couple of years ago, and let me tell you, if you don&#039;t think this is a serious addiction, try doing it sometime.  In addition to massive headaches, I had  full on body aches for days.  I seriously thought I was falling apart.  Not a pretty place to be.  And while I am pretty seriously working on my food storage, I don&#039;t keep a year&#039;s supply of pop around (I seem to think that if I don&#039;t keep it in the house, I can pretend like I don&#039;t have a problem).  Hate to see what I&#039;d look like in an emergency.
Wow.  Sorry for the ramble.  Anyone else relate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I&#8217;ve gotta weigh in here.  My best friend pointed the article out to me (prefaced with &#8220;I&#8217;m not trying to sound like your mother, but&#8230;&#8221;)  I&#8217;m really grateful I read it.  I, too, found it balanced and not at all preachy.  Here is my situation:  I didn&#8217;t grow up drinking a lot of soda of any kind- but nobody in my family had a problem with the occasional coke.  During college, I used it primarily as fuel for all-nighters.  Since the birth of my 2nd child 12 years ago, I have only gone maybe 4 weeks (cumulatively, not consecutively) without having at least one can of some sort of caffeinated soda per day.  As of last week, I was probably averaging nearly 100 ounces per day (that&#8217;s about 8.5 cans).  Needless to say, I&#8217;m an addict.  I also hold a current temple recommend, and don&#8217;t feel the need to give it up over this (in fact, in my occasional short-lived efforts to quit, I have found temple attendance to be helpful).<br />
This article forced me to acknowledge something that I&#8217;ve been trying to ignore for a while:  while I don&#8217;t feel that I am committing a grave sin by being addicted to pop, it is certainly contributing to a sense of spiritual &#8220;dullness&#8221; that I&#8217;ve been feeling lately, and I think it is really keeping me from progressing the way I need to be.  I&#8217;m really struggling with this.  It is hard- I wish there were some kind of rehab for it, as silly as that may sound.    I think it starts out pretty harmlessly, but can get to a point where it is very detrimental- I was waking up in the morning craving it- I&#8217;d get a little panicky if I thought I wasn&#8217;t going to be able to have any (I took my own private cooler full to girl&#8217;s camp)- really, I had become quite obsessive, not to mention tired, cranky, and down-right unhealthy.  Obviously, there are other contributing factors, but the pop addiction kind of fuels the others (if I&#8217;m pulling through McD&#8217;s for a pop, why not get a quarter pounder as well?).  Feeling this bad physically makes me feel bad about my level of self-control, and on and on, which results in a spiritual downward spiral for me.<br />
Anyhow, this is rather long-winded, but I really feel like this was a timely article for me, as I feel like we are entering a time in history when our personal spiritual strength and preparedness will be a great sifter.  So, for the past three days, I&#8217;m down to one big-gulp a day (32 oz.)  May not sound great to most of you, but this is a huge improvement for me, and is taking massive amounts of willpower to stick to.  I didn&#8217;t think I could do cold-turkey right now.  I tried that a couple of years ago, and let me tell you, if you don&#8217;t think this is a serious addiction, try doing it sometime.  In addition to massive headaches, I had  full on body aches for days.  I seriously thought I was falling apart.  Not a pretty place to be.  And while I am pretty seriously working on my food storage, I don&#8217;t keep a year&#8217;s supply of pop around (I seem to think that if I don&#8217;t keep it in the house, I can pretend like I don&#8217;t have a problem).  Hate to see what I&#8217;d look like in an emergency.<br />
Wow.  Sorry for the ramble.  Anyone else relate?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280122</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cafepress.com/alphasmith.102353542&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new caffeine&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;i&gt;It is difficult to talk about caffeine in a Church where some people see no significant difference between it and heroin and others think that the first group are zealots.&lt;/i&gt;

Best line.

I liked the article too, overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.cafepress.com/alphasmith.102353542" rel="nofollow">new caffeine</a>?</p>
<p><i>It is difficult to talk about caffeine in a Church where some people see no significant difference between it and heroin and others think that the first group are zealots.</i></p>
<p>Best line.</p>
<p>I liked the article too, overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280089</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops.  Someone already mentioned that.</description>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/11/a-more-fortunate-ensign-article/#comment-280088</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a persistent urban legend that Chocolate contains caffeine. It would seem that this rumor is based primarily on a confusion between two similar alkaloids: caffeine and Theobromine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speaking as a chocolate maker that article you linked to is erroneous.  I&#039;d advocate looking at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amanochocolate.com/blog/2008/11/18/how-much-caffeine-is-in-chocolate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article on caffeine and chocolate&lt;/a&gt;.  Typically 1 pound of milk chocolate will be equivalent to a cup of coffee.  With dark chocolate the amount is far less (20%-30% as much) but then dark chocolate - especially &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; dark chocolate - satisfies you much quicker so you tend not to eat as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a persistent urban legend that Chocolate contains caffeine. It would seem that this rumor is based primarily on a confusion between two similar alkaloids: caffeine and Theobromine.</p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking as a chocolate maker that article you linked to is erroneous.  I&#8217;d advocate looking at <a href="http://www.amanochocolate.com/blog/2008/11/18/how-much-caffeine-is-in-chocolate/" rel="nofollow">this article on caffeine and chocolate</a>.  Typically 1 pound of milk chocolate will be equivalent to a cup of coffee.  With dark chocolate the amount is far less (20%-30% as much) but then dark chocolate &#8211; especially <i>good</i> dark chocolate &#8211; satisfies you much quicker so you tend not to eat as much.</p>
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		<title>By: JrL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JrL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t miss the parallel article in the New Era.</description>
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