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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/were-suckers-for-internet-memes-god-love-us/#comment-276537</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan: &quot;Doht.&quot; Sorry.

Tatiana:  I think the emotional context/projection works the other way too.  A benign word used poisonously, or a poisonous word used benignly.  I once heard a female expatriate in another country sitting in a restaurant publicly use a local swear-phrase as an interjection.  I don&#039;t think she would have used it had she known the literal meaning, or the etymology.

I almost did a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spit+take&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spit-take&lt;/a&gt; when I heard it from a female voice.  

I went to a military school for a while, and we had a joke about going home for vacations, and saying &quot;pass the ____ peas&quot; at your family&#039;s dinner table, and wondering why everyone is looking at you strangely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan: &#8220;Doht.&#8221; Sorry.</p>
<p>Tatiana:  I think the emotional context/projection works the other way too.  A benign word used poisonously, or a poisonous word used benignly.  I once heard a female expatriate in another country sitting in a restaurant publicly use a local swear-phrase as an interjection.  I don&#8217;t think she would have used it had she known the literal meaning, or the etymology.</p>
<p>I almost did a <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spit+take" rel="nofollow">spit-take</a> when I heard it from a female voice.  </p>
<p>I went to a military school for a while, and we had a joke about going home for vacations, and saying &#8220;pass the ____ peas&#8221; at your family&#8217;s dinner table, and wondering why everyone is looking at you strangely.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bookslinger, is it really that simple?  Is your maiden aunt&#039;s use of foo or fiddlesticks the same as, say, Richard Nixon&#039;s frequent expletives deleted from the white house transcripts?  I don&#039;t think it is, quite.  I think there&#039;s a clear distinction in the way we feel about those, and what meanings people hear.

I had occasion to hang out with a group of friends who served as correctional officers.  They all used the most foul language constantly as a matter of course, so that it was robbed of all power or emphasis.  What they meant by &quot;m... f...&quot; was roughly what I mean by &quot;guy&quot;, for example.  Are they swearing or not?  To them it was completely ordinary.  But I couldn&#039;t help but feel it indicated a lack of respect, at least.  It made me uncomfortable, anyway.  Worst of all is when those words began to pop into my head to use myself, if not caught in time by my internal filter.  I didn&#039;t like it and I wished they would clean it up, at least around me.  But all I did was pretend not to hear or notice, and try to be careful not to slip myself.  

I feel like swearing just sounds trashy.  Not particularly evil but just ill-spoken, disrespectful of those around, and of the speaker as well.  To me it indicates low standards in general.  But is this a real moral difference between us or just a class distinction?  I&#039;m not really 100% positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookslinger, is it really that simple?  Is your maiden aunt&#8217;s use of foo or fiddlesticks the same as, say, Richard Nixon&#8217;s frequent expletives deleted from the white house transcripts?  I don&#8217;t think it is, quite.  I think there&#8217;s a clear distinction in the way we feel about those, and what meanings people hear.</p>
<p>I had occasion to hang out with a group of friends who served as correctional officers.  They all used the most foul language constantly as a matter of course, so that it was robbed of all power or emphasis.  What they meant by &#8220;m&#8230; f&#8230;&#8221; was roughly what I mean by &#8220;guy&#8221;, for example.  Are they swearing or not?  To them it was completely ordinary.  But I couldn&#8217;t help but feel it indicated a lack of respect, at least.  It made me uncomfortable, anyway.  Worst of all is when those words began to pop into my head to use myself, if not caught in time by my internal filter.  I didn&#8217;t like it and I wished they would clean it up, at least around me.  But all I did was pretend not to hear or notice, and try to be careful not to slip myself.  </p>
<p>I feel like swearing just sounds trashy.  Not particularly evil but just ill-spoken, disrespectful of those around, and of the speaker as well.  To me it indicates low standards in general.  But is this a real moral difference between us or just a class distinction?  I&#8217;m not really 100% positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I should have used a smiley face.

Leaving aside your tone of self-righteous condemnation, and going to my tone, I always say &quot;frack&quot; as a joke, and never as an expletive.  I don&#039;t use it as a cuss word - I use it more as a way to signal to others I&#039;m a Battlestar Galactica fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I should have used a smiley face.</p>
<p>Leaving aside your tone of self-righteous condemnation, and going to my tone, I always say &#8220;frack&#8221; as a joke, and never as an expletive.  I don&#8217;t use it as a cuss word &#8211; I use it more as a way to signal to others I&#8217;m a Battlestar Galactica fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/were-suckers-for-internet-memes-god-love-us/#comment-276492</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan, If you use a word with the same emotion, delivery, tone of voice, and context, that all the individuals who use a particular word use when they use their word, then your word essentially equates to their word.

Words have spirit, and essentially are spirit things, because the spoken sounds (sound waves) or written scripts (ink on paper, or scratchings on wood/metal) are merely tags attached to a concept, and it is the concept that is essential to the thing&#039;s meaning, not the tag.

I&#039;d even venture that the emotion and spirit projected by the speaker give more weight to the meaning of his spoken words than mental intent or literal definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan, If you use a word with the same emotion, delivery, tone of voice, and context, that all the individuals who use a particular word use when they use their word, then your word essentially equates to their word.</p>
<p>Words have spirit, and essentially are spirit things, because the spoken sounds (sound waves) or written scripts (ink on paper, or scratchings on wood/metal) are merely tags attached to a concept, and it is the concept that is essential to the thing&#8217;s meaning, not the tag.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d even venture that the emotion and spirit projected by the speaker give more weight to the meaning of his spoken words than mental intent or literal definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but notice I use the old school 1979 spelling of frack, which is a 5 letter word, and was used by school children  in the old series.  The teachers and adults never responded with shock, and its usage seemed to be considered quite acceptable by all levels of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but notice I use the old school 1979 spelling of frack, which is a 5 letter word, and was used by school children  in the old series.  The teachers and adults never responded with shock, and its usage seemed to be considered quite acceptable by all levels of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I think about it, &#039;Frak&#039; is quite interesting. As far as I know, its the only widely-known (outside of Mormonism) &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_A._Larson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;profanity invented by a Mormon&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I think about it, &#8216;Frak&#8217; is quite interesting. As far as I know, its the only widely-known (outside of Mormonism) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_A._Larson" rel="nofollow">profanity invented by a Mormon</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/were-suckers-for-internet-memes-god-love-us/#comment-276477</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan:

I grant that your intentions are pure.

But communication requires that both the speaker and the hearer agree on a roughly common meaning for a word.

I can&#039;t arbitrarily say that the word &quot;prison&quot; refers to a paradisiacal place and expect others to get that same meaning (or expect that they won&#039;t get that meaning if they hear me muttering to myself) without some kind of explanation.

Like it or not, the most common use of &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frack&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frak&lt;/a&gt; is as a substitute for the F-word, popularized on the TV show &quot;Battlestar Galactica.&quot;

And, Tatiana, I&#039;m afraid the same thing is true for OMG (although to a lesser degree -- not everyone agrees about what the G in OMG refers to. But the most common meaning is certainly taking the name of the Lord in vain).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan:</p>
<p>I grant that your intentions are pure.</p>
<p>But communication requires that both the speaker and the hearer agree on a roughly common meaning for a word.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t arbitrarily say that the word &#8220;prison&#8221; refers to a paradisiacal place and expect others to get that same meaning (or expect that they won&#8217;t get that meaning if they hear me muttering to myself) without some kind of explanation.</p>
<p>Like it or not, the most common use of &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frack" rel="nofollow">Frak</a> is as a substitute for the F-word, popularized on the TV show &#8220;Battlestar Galactica.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, Tatiana, I&#8217;m afraid the same thing is true for OMG (although to a lesser degree &#8212; not everyone agrees about what the G in OMG refers to. But the most common meaning is certainly taking the name of the Lord in vain).</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I say &quot;Frack&quot; I mean &quot;Frack&quot; and I don&#039;t mean any other word, regardless of what anyone else may think.  &quot;Frack&quot; is what I mean and all I mean.  It is not a euphemism for anything.  It is what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say &#8220;Frack&#8221; I mean &#8220;Frack&#8221; and I don&#8217;t mean any other word, regardless of what anyone else may think.  &#8220;Frack&#8221; is what I mean and all I mean.  It is not a euphemism for anything.  It is what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I forgot &quot;zounds&quot; is originally from &quot;God&#039;s wounds&quot;.  In all the many times I&#039;ve said that, I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever intended it as blasphemy.  I hope I never wounded anyone&#039;s delicate sensibilities here with it.  =)  

I read in some 19th century novel, perhaps it was Anthony Trollope, where one gentleman swore &quot;You can go to the d___l!&quot; and the publisher spaced it out like that.  When I realized they were protecting me from having to read strong language like that, I was seriously glad, and I felt relieved and protected (laughs).  I&#039;m so glad there&#039;s still such thing as polite society, where people do care about things like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I forgot &#8220;zounds&#8221; is originally from &#8220;God&#8217;s wounds&#8221;.  In all the many times I&#8217;ve said that, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever intended it as blasphemy.  I hope I never wounded anyone&#8217;s delicate sensibilities here with it.  =)  </p>
<p>I read in some 19th century novel, perhaps it was Anthony Trollope, where one gentleman swore &#8220;You can go to the d___l!&#8221; and the publisher spaced it out like that.  When I realized they were protecting me from having to read strong language like that, I was seriously glad, and I felt relieved and protected (laughs).  I&#8217;m so glad there&#8217;s still such thing as polite society, where people do care about things like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonovitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Adam!  Have a great Thursday afternoon, gosh darnit!  

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Adam!  Have a great Thursday afternoon, gosh darnit!  </p>
<p>Jon</p>
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