Comments on: A Marvelous Work and a Cacophony http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/ Truth Will Prevail Fri, 25 May 2012 03:45:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Nathan Bunker http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/#comment-277235 Nathan Bunker Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:34:57 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4840#comment-277235 What you describe happens a lot. It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. In Mesa they did this and it was a problem because the English speaking ward didn't successfully integrate with the Latino culture. This is interesting because I've heard a lot of English speaking members say that people who come here tot he US are not interested in learning English. But in my experience, which is similar to what is stated above, the children are 100% interested in learning English. Isn't there some precedence for this in early church history. Were there Welsh speaking wards in Utah, at one point? I think I heard of a Welsh choir. They probably had similar issues with children not speaking Welsh. What you describe happens a lot. It sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t. In Mesa they did this and it was a problem because the English speaking ward didn’t successfully integrate with the Latino culture.

This is interesting because I’ve heard a lot of English speaking members say that people who come here tot he US are not interested in learning English. But in my experience, which is similar to what is stated above, the children are 100% interested in learning English.

Isn’t there some precedence for this in early church history. Were there Welsh speaking wards in Utah, at one point? I think I heard of a Welsh choir. They probably had similar issues with children not speaking Welsh.

]]> By: LRC http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/#comment-277190 LRC Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:01:15 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4840#comment-277190 We have a Chinese branch attached to our ward, and if it weren't for their kids in the Primary, there wouldn't be enough kids to fill out the classes. When we combined for our Primary program, we had welcomes and announcements in English and Mandarin and then the rest of the program in English (translated via headphones for all the adoring grandmas and grandpas [and others] who couldn't understand the English-speaking children). The stake next door has a Spanish branch/ward (it keeps changing) that does the same thing with a different English ward. Leadership of both language units tends to be comprised of a mixture of native- and non-native speakers drawn from within each stake's boundaries. We have a Chinese branch attached to our ward, and if it weren’t for their kids in the Primary, there wouldn’t be enough kids to fill out the classes. When we combined for our Primary program, we had welcomes and announcements in English and Mandarin and then the rest of the program in English (translated via headphones for all the adoring grandmas and grandpas [and others] who couldn’t understand the English-speaking children).

The stake next door has a Spanish branch/ward (it keeps changing) that does the same thing with a different English ward.

Leadership of both language units tends to be comprised of a mixture of native- and non-native speakers drawn from within each stake’s boundaries.

]]> By: Kent Larsen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/#comment-277173 Kent Larsen Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:16:16 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4840#comment-277173 Ellis (3): Interesting. As you note, its is a solution, but as you note, doing that simply shifts problems. Instead of having to figure out how to deal with English-speaking primary and youth, you now have to figure out how to deal with Spanish-speaking adults in the English-speaking wards. IMO, coordinating that much interpretation of English meetings into Spanish would be almost impossible for our ward, and would likely result in lower involvement of many Spanish-speaking Saints. I think you have a problem to work on no matter which way you go. I'm afraid there aren't any easy solutions to this issue. Ellis (3): Interesting. As you note, its is a solution, but as you note, doing that simply shifts problems. Instead of having to figure out how to deal with English-speaking primary and youth, you now have to figure out how to deal with Spanish-speaking adults in the English-speaking wards. IMO, coordinating that much interpretation of English meetings into Spanish would be almost impossible for our ward, and would likely result in lower involvement of many Spanish-speaking Saints.

I think you have a problem to work on no matter which way you go.

I’m afraid there aren’t any easy solutions to this issue.

]]> By: Ellis http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/#comment-277165 Ellis Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:41:29 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4840#comment-277165 A few years ago the Stake president in the area where I lived saw the solution to this problem as disbanding the Spanish speaking ward and sending everyone to an English speaking ward. Almost immediately a Spanish Sunday school class popped up. More recently in the Stake where I now live the Asian Ward was disbanded while the Spanish Ward has gained strength. Spanish speakers who want to go to English wards are free to do so. The choice is theirs. A few years ago the Stake president in the area where I lived saw the solution to this problem as disbanding the Spanish speaking ward and sending everyone to an English speaking ward. Almost immediately a Spanish Sunday school class popped up.

More recently in the Stake where I now live the Asian Ward was disbanded while the Spanish Ward has gained strength. Spanish speakers who want to go to English wards are free to do so. The choice is theirs.

]]> By: Keri Brooks http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/#comment-277155 Keri Brooks Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:21:56 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4840#comment-277155 In my stake, there is an American Sign Language branch that has a combined primary with an English speaking ward. I don't know if the youth programs are combined, though. In my stake, there is an American Sign Language branch that has a combined primary with an English speaking ward. I don’t know if the youth programs are combined, though.

]]> By: Merkat http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/10/a-marvelous-work-and-a-cacophany/#comment-277146 Merkat Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:16:17 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4840#comment-277146 That is interesting. We have a Korean ward in our stake and I know they combine the youth programs and probably the primaries too so the kids can get English instruction. Out here there is a whole Spanish stake right alongside us. That is interesting. We have a Korean ward in our stake and I know they combine the youth programs and probably the primaries too so the kids can get English instruction. Out here there is a whole Spanish stake right alongside us.

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