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	<title>Comments on: The Mormons: Director&#8217;s Cut</title>
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	<description>Truth Will Prevail</description>
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		<title>By: DavidH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without trying to get in another debate about whether it is possible for an outsider (other than Mike Wallace) to make an &quot;accurate&quot; or &quot;objective&quot; portrayal of the Church, I would simply state that I thought the program was terrific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without trying to get in another debate about whether it is possible for an outsider (other than Mike Wallace) to make an &#8220;accurate&#8221; or &#8220;objective&#8221; portrayal of the Church, I would simply state that I thought the program was terrific.</p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/06/the-mormons-directors-cut/#comment-265950</link>
		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, interesting story Marc.

Incidentally, Happy 30th Birthday Marc Obohna Bohn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, interesting story Marc.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Happy 30th Birthday Marc Obohna Bohn!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like an interesting get-together.  I wonder why we don&#039;t have someting similar here in eastern Idaho (there ought to be a critical mass of interested people with a 50,000 plus LDS population in commuting distance and the faculty of BYU-Idaho, LDS faculty at Idaho State, and a lot of scientists and engineers working on nuclear research and materials science at the Idaho National Lab).  

Whitney&#039;s documentary is a good stimulus for discussion, but I found it just incredibly (and I mean that in the precise sense of unbelievability) subjective, to the extent that many aspects of the Church are simply unrecognizable when filtered through Whitney&#039;s perceptions.  One usually expects that at least the visuals for a program like this will transmit unedited information, but Whitney did some of her most intrusive editing on that aspect of the program, with strange, dark and atypical depictions of Joseph Smith and Moroni and other aspects of the Church which few Mormons would recognize.  I think the worst of these Whitney obfuscations was when she creates a visual to go along with the lengthy narrative of a church discipline hearing.  She shows what looks like an attic level room with a high ceiling under a peaked roof, with stairs coming up behind a wooden railing where sit several tall straight-back wooden chairs and a vast empty wood floor with a single wooden chair facing the other three, a little bit of light coming in a window but overall dark and shadowed.  But for a high intensity lamp, it looks like a military interrogation room at Guantanamo Bay.  

In response to questions in an interview, Whitney said this totally fictional depiction of an LDS meetinghouse high council room showed her own feelings about the excommunication narrative.  Clearly, she was more interested in making the viewer feel like Helen Whitney felt (who clearly identified with the female professional scholar who was narrating her own experience) than having objective information so viewers could make up their own minds.  Thus, we learn as much or more about Whitney&#039;s own estrangement and emotional distance from the idea of objectively real spiritual entities as we do about the objective entity called the Mormons.  Since her worldview and attitudes are distinctly at odds with much of Mormonism, she filters and censors the Mormon experience rather drastically.  A more accurate title would be &quot;What Helen Whitney feels about the Mormons.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like an interesting get-together.  I wonder why we don&#8217;t have someting similar here in eastern Idaho (there ought to be a critical mass of interested people with a 50,000 plus LDS population in commuting distance and the faculty of BYU-Idaho, LDS faculty at Idaho State, and a lot of scientists and engineers working on nuclear research and materials science at the Idaho National Lab).  </p>
<p>Whitney&#8217;s documentary is a good stimulus for discussion, but I found it just incredibly (and I mean that in the precise sense of unbelievability) subjective, to the extent that many aspects of the Church are simply unrecognizable when filtered through Whitney&#8217;s perceptions.  One usually expects that at least the visuals for a program like this will transmit unedited information, but Whitney did some of her most intrusive editing on that aspect of the program, with strange, dark and atypical depictions of Joseph Smith and Moroni and other aspects of the Church which few Mormons would recognize.  I think the worst of these Whitney obfuscations was when she creates a visual to go along with the lengthy narrative of a church discipline hearing.  She shows what looks like an attic level room with a high ceiling under a peaked roof, with stairs coming up behind a wooden railing where sit several tall straight-back wooden chairs and a vast empty wood floor with a single wooden chair facing the other three, a little bit of light coming in a window but overall dark and shadowed.  But for a high intensity lamp, it looks like a military interrogation room at Guantanamo Bay.  </p>
<p>In response to questions in an interview, Whitney said this totally fictional depiction of an LDS meetinghouse high council room showed her own feelings about the excommunication narrative.  Clearly, she was more interested in making the viewer feel like Helen Whitney felt (who clearly identified with the female professional scholar who was narrating her own experience) than having objective information so viewers could make up their own minds.  Thus, we learn as much or more about Whitney&#8217;s own estrangement and emotional distance from the idea of objectively real spiritual entities as we do about the objective entity called the Mormons.  Since her worldview and attitudes are distinctly at odds with much of Mormonism, she filters and censors the Mormon experience rather drastically.  A more accurate title would be &#8220;What Helen Whitney feels about the Mormons.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Bohn</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/06/the-mormons-directors-cut/#comment-265919</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Bohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt W - I don&#039;t know a great deal about the vision, but if I have a chance sometime I&#039;ll ask.

Dave - As Prince described it, it is a 5 hour version that Whitney initially produced that was then pared down to the 4 hour feature that appeared on PBS. Prince, as a contributor to the documentary, was able to get the extended version that never aired. Like I said, I&#039;ve only seen the first act, but he characterizes the whole as being more &quot;artistic&quot; in addition to having extra footage. He also seemed to insinuate, although I could be wrong on this, that Whitney didn&#039;t make all the editorial decisions in deciding what was cut for the final version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt W &#8211; I don&#8217;t know a great deal about the vision, but if I have a chance sometime I&#8217;ll ask.</p>
<p>Dave &#8211; As Prince described it, it is a 5 hour version that Whitney initially produced that was then pared down to the 4 hour feature that appeared on PBS. Prince, as a contributor to the documentary, was able to get the extended version that never aired. Like I said, I&#8217;ve only seen the first act, but he characterizes the whole as being more &#8220;artistic&#8221; in addition to having extra footage. He also seemed to insinuate, although I could be wrong on this, that Whitney didn&#8217;t make all the editorial decisions in deciding what was cut for the final version.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, you put &quot;director&#039;s cut&quot; in quotes ... is this really a version of the documentary with additional footage, or is this event just a screening of the original documentary with commentary from the live speakers you referred to in the post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, you put &#8220;director&#8217;s cut&#8221; in quotes &#8230; is this really a version of the documentary with additional footage, or is this event just a screening of the original documentary with commentary from the live speakers you referred to in the post?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/06/the-mormons-directors-cut/#comment-265856</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 02:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go and get Greg Prince&#039;s ear, I&#039;ve always wondered why he chose not to have the very prominent dream vision of David O. Mckay seeing Christ in his excellent biography. (The best biography I&#039;ve ever read, perhaps.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go and get Greg Prince&#8217;s ear, I&#8217;ve always wondered why he chose not to have the very prominent dream vision of David O. Mckay seeing Christ in his excellent biography. (The best biography I&#8217;ve ever read, perhaps.)</p>
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