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	<title>Comments on: Theology and the Public Square in Utah</title>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/03/theology-and-the-public-square-in-utah/#comment-252230</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the question of whether the rules are different in Zion, it is worth noting that James Carroll, a columnist for the Boston Globe and author of \&quot;Constantine\&#039;s Sword,\&quot; regularly takes up religious issues on the Op-ed page. A recent example was his \&quot;Reviving an old insult to the Jews\&quot; (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/18/reviving_an_old_insult_to_the_jews/).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the question of whether the rules are different in Zion, it is worth noting that James Carroll, a columnist for the Boston Globe and author of \&#8221;Constantine\&#8217;s Sword,\&#8221; regularly takes up religious issues on the Op-ed page. A recent example was his \&#8221;Reviving an old insult to the Jews\&#8221; (<a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/18/reviving_an_old_insult_to_the_jews/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/02/18/reviving_an_old_insult_to_the_jews/</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jon. I wasn&#039;t responding only to you, but to the previous five or six comments as a whole.

I appreciate what Peggy Fletcher Stack does, too, including walking a paper-thin line between her faith and her profession, especially given present conditions in Salt Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jon. I wasn&#8217;t responding only to you, but to the previous five or six comments as a whole.</p>
<p>I appreciate what Peggy Fletcher Stack does, too, including walking a paper-thin line between her faith and her profession, especially given present conditions in Salt Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that when I lived in Utah, my wife and I read the Tribune and only the Tribune, because the Deseret News, not to put too fine a point on it, was mostly crap: often poorly edited, almost always poorly laid out, and usually poorly (not to mention pedantically and/or cravenly) written. Things began to change for the DesNews in the early 90s, and I&#039;ve no doubt they&#039;ve continued to change for the better since then. Still, when I (rarely) check for Utah news, I nearly always go to the Trib&#039;s website first. Call it habit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that when I lived in Utah, my wife and I read the Tribune and only the Tribune, because the Deseret News, not to put too fine a point on it, was mostly crap: often poorly edited, almost always poorly laid out, and usually poorly (not to mention pedantically and/or cravenly) written. Things began to change for the DesNews in the early 90s, and I&#8217;ve no doubt they&#8217;ve continued to change for the better since then. Still, when I (rarely) check for Utah news, I nearly always go to the Trib&#8217;s website first. Call it habit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cobabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cobabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis, your talent is obviously not fully appreciated at the SLTrib.  Maybe you should take over editorial command when the current enterprise finally prints their last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, your talent is obviously not fully appreciated at the SLTrib.  Maybe you should take over editorial command when the current enterprise finally prints their last.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonovitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis, you&#039;re right (as usual).  I turned the burner up a little high on that one.  I do enjoy some of what the Trib does, especially Kirby (and yes, that does make up for a lot -- his piece last week was spot on), and the fact that their stories on the Church don&#039;t drip with syrup, as some of the stuff from the News does.  

In my defense, I was writing in generalizations, and I still believe that much of what drives major newspapers is ego, power, and money (even if out of necessity).  I didn&#039;t focus my attack specifically on the Trib though, rather on the evils that strongly influence major newspapers, the Salt Lake Tribune being one of them.  

For what it&#039;s worth, I think Peggy Fletcher Stack does a fine job at objectively covering the Church without poking the collective Mormon eye with a stick.  

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, you&#8217;re right (as usual).  I turned the burner up a little high on that one.  I do enjoy some of what the Trib does, especially Kirby (and yes, that does make up for a lot &#8212; his piece last week was spot on), and the fact that their stories on the Church don&#8217;t drip with syrup, as some of the stuff from the News does.  </p>
<p>In my defense, I was writing in generalizations, and I still believe that much of what drives major newspapers is ego, power, and money (even if out of necessity).  I didn&#8217;t focus my attack specifically on the Trib though, rather on the evils that strongly influence major newspapers, the Salt Lake Tribune being one of them.  </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I think Peggy Fletcher Stack does a fine job at objectively covering the Church without poking the collective Mormon eye with a stick.  </p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I thought we weren&#039;t going to rag on the &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt; for anti-Mormonness (&quot;Now, my point is not to launch into a diatribe about how anti-Mormon the Trib is, nor do I invite you to do so in the comments&quot;). It&#039;s no doubt safe to say that there is more to the &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt; and its editorial choices, and more to the motives of journalists in general, than any of us know ... unless, of course, any of us are on the &lt;em&gt;Trib&lt;/em&gt;&#039;s editorial board. Anybody? I thought not.

There are many news articles and religious/cultural features touching on Mormonism that I have been very glad to see there rather than in the &lt;em&gt;Deseret News&lt;/em&gt;. Their coverage of Warren Jeffs was spectacular, IMO, and was free of any taint of sour grapes that might unjustly have been charged to the &lt;em&gt;News&lt;/em&gt;. They do a good job with Mormonism, overall. (They have Kirby, for one thing -- isn&#039;t that enough to cover a multitude of sins?)  The &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt; of 2008 is not the &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt; of 1908, and certainly not the &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt; of 1878.  

Cut them some slack, please. The &lt;em&gt;Tribune&lt;/em&gt; is nowhere near the infernal agent it is painted here. Besides, they like me well enough to continue to send a small but regular check, so they&#039;re not, like, TOTALLY anti-Mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I thought we weren&#8217;t going to rag on the <em>Tribune</em> for anti-Mormonness (&#8220;Now, my point is not to launch into a diatribe about how anti-Mormon the Trib is, nor do I invite you to do so in the comments&#8221;). It&#8217;s no doubt safe to say that there is more to the <em>Tribune</em> and its editorial choices, and more to the motives of journalists in general, than any of us know &#8230; unless, of course, any of us are on the <em>Trib</em>&#8216;s editorial board. Anybody? I thought not.</p>
<p>There are many news articles and religious/cultural features touching on Mormonism that I have been very glad to see there rather than in the <em>Deseret News</em>. Their coverage of Warren Jeffs was spectacular, IMO, and was free of any taint of sour grapes that might unjustly have been charged to the <em>News</em>. They do a good job with Mormonism, overall. (They have Kirby, for one thing &#8212; isn&#8217;t that enough to cover a multitude of sins?)  The <em>Tribune</em> of 2008 is not the <em>Tribune</em> of 1908, and certainly not the <em>Tribune</em> of 1878.  </p>
<p>Cut them some slack, please. The <em>Tribune</em> is nowhere near the infernal agent it is painted here. Besides, they like me well enough to continue to send a small but regular check, so they&#8217;re not, like, TOTALLY anti-Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonovitch</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/03/theology-and-the-public-square-in-utah/#comment-252162</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An old adage in journalism is &quot;follow the money.&quot;  

Newspapers are notoriously cliquish.  They are exclusive clubs, and the insiders make the rules.  Egos abound, because &quot;what I&#039;m writing is so very important to my devoted fans, um, I mean readers.&quot;  They know this because their fans/readers write in to tell them so.  Almost as good are irate readers who write in to complain.  The only thing the writers/editors/managers see are another pair of eyeballs -- it doesn&#039;t matter what side you&#039;re on.  They know they&#039;re right, because they&#039;re the ones with their names in the bylines every day.  

It&#039;s also a power game, between politicians and writers; writers and editors; editors and managers (i.e., advertisers).  Writers try to get their story on the front page.  Editors clammer for their reporters to get the big scoop and pull the rug out from whomever/whatever is in power.  But it all comes back to money.  

Managers just want more readers.  The more sensational (*cough* Fox News *cough*), the more readers, the higher the circulation, the more you can charge the advertisers.  If it bleeds, it leads, and for good reason.  It sells.  

It&#039;s all about ego and power and money.  The Salt Lake Tribune is certainly no exception.  

Follow the money.  

Jon

P.S. If you really want to get their attention, send a letter to the managing editor (not the op-ed page) telling him you&#039;re canceling your subscription, and make it clear that you are sending copies of the same letter to all the major advertisers.  Then have all your friends and neighbors do the same.  That&#039;ll really freak them out.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An old adage in journalism is &#8220;follow the money.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Newspapers are notoriously cliquish.  They are exclusive clubs, and the insiders make the rules.  Egos abound, because &#8220;what I&#8217;m writing is so very important to my devoted fans, um, I mean readers.&#8221;  They know this because their fans/readers write in to tell them so.  Almost as good are irate readers who write in to complain.  The only thing the writers/editors/managers see are another pair of eyeballs &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t matter what side you&#8217;re on.  They know they&#8217;re right, because they&#8217;re the ones with their names in the bylines every day.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a power game, between politicians and writers; writers and editors; editors and managers (i.e., advertisers).  Writers try to get their story on the front page.  Editors clammer for their reporters to get the big scoop and pull the rug out from whomever/whatever is in power.  But it all comes back to money.  </p>
<p>Managers just want more readers.  The more sensational (*cough* Fox News *cough*), the more readers, the higher the circulation, the more you can charge the advertisers.  If it bleeds, it leads, and for good reason.  It sells.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about ego and power and money.  The Salt Lake Tribune is certainly no exception.  </p>
<p>Follow the money.  </p>
<p>Jon</p>
<p>P.S. If you really want to get their attention, send a letter to the managing editor (not the op-ed page) telling him you&#8217;re canceling your subscription, and make it clear that you are sending copies of the same letter to all the major advertisers.  Then have all your friends and neighbors do the same.  That&#8217;ll really freak them out.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best description of the Trib&#039;s editorial policies that I&#039;ve ever heard:

The editors believe that they are a dog, and the Church is a fire hydrant.  Every time the dog passes a hydrant, it feels the need to lift its leg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best description of the Trib&#8217;s editorial policies that I&#8217;ve ever heard:</p>
<p>The editors believe that they are a dog, and the Church is a fire hydrant.  Every time the dog passes a hydrant, it feels the need to lift its leg.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RTS:
yep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RTS:<br />
yep.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nauvoo Expositor was holy writ compared with the Salt Lake Tribune.  It had been justly said of this sheet that it was &quot;brought into the world to lie and was true to its mission.&quot;  Essentials in Church History p. 447 by Joseph Fielding Smith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nauvoo Expositor was holy writ compared with the Salt Lake Tribune.  It had been justly said of this sheet that it was &#8220;brought into the world to lie and was true to its mission.&#8221;  Essentials in Church History p. 447 by Joseph Fielding Smith</p>
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