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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason J that was lovely- thank you</description>
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		<title>By: Jason J</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/03/the-missionary-at-mass/#comment-255386</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Friday I attended the Temple Ohabeim Shalom in Brookline, MA with a Jewish friend, and I had a marvelous experience.  The Temple was magnificent, and the congregation was warm and welcoming.  As I joined my voice in reciting their prayers to welcome in the Shabboth (somewhat clumsily, I must admit), I felt a thrill in my heart.  The cantor had a clear and reverent voice, and the haunting Hebrew settings for the prayers reflected the greatness of the Almighty who must have heard the prayers.  The reverence and ceremony reminded me a good deal of the Catholic Mass, but there was something else too.  I felt privileged to sit among the descendants of Judah and worship our mutual God.

My thoughts soon turned to an episode from the life of Joseph F. Smith:

&quot;L. John Nutall and I attended Confirmation Service at Temple of the Washington Congregation today, it being their &quot;Shebuoth&quot; or Pentecost, the 5648 of the Jewish Era.  The ceremonies were most impressive and interesting.  Fifteen children were confirmed, 13 girls and 2 boys.  Short discourses were made by each of these children explanatory of their faith and of their ceremonies.  Their subjects were God and Nature, The Sabbath, The Greatest Treasure, Pesach (or Passover), Shebuoth (Pentecost) Rosh Hashonah (New Year), God&#039;s Providence, The Fifth Commandment, Purim (Feast of Esther), The Two Strangers, and Chanuckah (Feast of Dedication, and Prayer).  Many tears of joy and hope were shed by strong men, boys, matrons and maidens.  I saw, through my own tears, Brother Nuttall wiping his eyes, together with many others, as the children embraced their parents and received their blessing.  It was too much to resist the sympathetic tear.  The Ten Commandments were strictly enjoined, great stress being laid on the necessity of purity and chastity, and obedience to parents.  I said in my heart, give me Judaism in preference to hollow mockery of modern Christianity.  I saw some of the most beautiful children&#039;s faces I ever beheld and all the proverbial characteristics of the modern Jew were lost to view in solemn thoughts of the seed of Abraham.  Undying devotion to Judaism, and to faith in the One God, were pledged by the children in the most solemn manner.  I felt it was a worthy example for my own children, and those of the Saints, who not only should embrace Judaism, but inseparably connected therewith, true Christianity.  Christ was a Jew.&quot; (The Life of Joseph F. Smith, at 291.)

I am not only impressed that President Smith had the perspective and character to make these observations in 1888, not a friendly time for the Jews, but I am most impressed with how similar his sentiments were to mine on Friday night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Friday I attended the Temple Ohabeim Shalom in Brookline, MA with a Jewish friend, and I had a marvelous experience.  The Temple was magnificent, and the congregation was warm and welcoming.  As I joined my voice in reciting their prayers to welcome in the Shabboth (somewhat clumsily, I must admit), I felt a thrill in my heart.  The cantor had a clear and reverent voice, and the haunting Hebrew settings for the prayers reflected the greatness of the Almighty who must have heard the prayers.  The reverence and ceremony reminded me a good deal of the Catholic Mass, but there was something else too.  I felt privileged to sit among the descendants of Judah and worship our mutual God.</p>
<p>My thoughts soon turned to an episode from the life of Joseph F. Smith:</p>
<p>&#8220;L. John Nutall and I attended Confirmation Service at Temple of the Washington Congregation today, it being their &#8220;Shebuoth&#8221; or Pentecost, the 5648 of the Jewish Era.  The ceremonies were most impressive and interesting.  Fifteen children were confirmed, 13 girls and 2 boys.  Short discourses were made by each of these children explanatory of their faith and of their ceremonies.  Their subjects were God and Nature, The Sabbath, The Greatest Treasure, Pesach (or Passover), Shebuoth (Pentecost) Rosh Hashonah (New Year), God&#8217;s Providence, The Fifth Commandment, Purim (Feast of Esther), The Two Strangers, and Chanuckah (Feast of Dedication, and Prayer).  Many tears of joy and hope were shed by strong men, boys, matrons and maidens.  I saw, through my own tears, Brother Nuttall wiping his eyes, together with many others, as the children embraced their parents and received their blessing.  It was too much to resist the sympathetic tear.  The Ten Commandments were strictly enjoined, great stress being laid on the necessity of purity and chastity, and obedience to parents.  I said in my heart, give me Judaism in preference to hollow mockery of modern Christianity.  I saw some of the most beautiful children&#8217;s faces I ever beheld and all the proverbial characteristics of the modern Jew were lost to view in solemn thoughts of the seed of Abraham.  Undying devotion to Judaism, and to faith in the One God, were pledged by the children in the most solemn manner.  I felt it was a worthy example for my own children, and those of the Saints, who not only should embrace Judaism, but inseparably connected therewith, true Christianity.  Christ was a Jew.&#8221; (The Life of Joseph F. Smith, at 291.)</p>
<p>I am not only impressed that President Smith had the perspective and character to make these observations in 1888, not a friendly time for the Jews, but I am most impressed with how similar his sentiments were to mine on Friday night.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/03/the-missionary-at-mass/#comment-255042</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Later, while in Marseille, our disrtict attended Midnight Mass in the city&#039;s beautiful Sacre-Couer cathedral (the biggest in the heart of the city, not the more famous one on the hill.)

We all sat towards the back, but one of the priests saw us (we were in official garb after all).

He invited us up to the dias the altar is on.  They had a couple of rows of chairs on each side of the altar, and we sat on the back (of two, or maybe three) on one side.  Most of the other people were Catholic clery.

It was a beautiful ceremony, but I was also struck by the warm and honorable  (and very visible to their congregation) reception that they accorded us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Later, while in Marseille, our disrtict attended Midnight Mass in the city&#8217;s beautiful Sacre-Couer cathedral (the biggest in the heart of the city, not the more famous one on the hill.)</p>
<p>We all sat towards the back, but one of the priests saw us (we were in official garb after all).</p>
<p>He invited us up to the dias the altar is on.  They had a couple of rows of chairs on each side of the altar, and we sat on the back (of two, or maybe three) on one side.  Most of the other people were Catholic clery.</p>
<p>It was a beautiful ceremony, but I was also struck by the warm and honorable  (and very visible to their congregation) reception that they accorded us.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While a missionary in Avignon, France, the sisters in our district befriended a local rabbi who invited them (and the rest of us) to attend their sabbath services.  In the end, 12 missionaries showed up (sadly, most left part way through the service, which I found profoundly disrespectful, but likely someone elses companion was willing to stay with me.

Highlights included:
The architecture of the synagogue - circular, with men on ground floor, women on second.

Listening to them speak and sing in Hebrew.

Coupled with a vain attempt to follow along the French on the other page, which nevertheless revealed some interesting bits about their hope for the messiah.

They also stand frequently, which being ignorant, I didn&#039;t do.  No one said anything until they brought out the Torah scrolls.  Then the elderly gentleman yelled at us (in French) &quot;stand up! For respect of the stand up!&quot; We stood.  When time came to sit down, the man&#039;s son (still older than us) apologized, saying it is very important to his father.  To which I apologized again for my ignorance and told him his father had nothing to apoligize for.

When they called up another elderly gentleman whose wife had recently died, stood in a circle around him, placed their hands on his head and prayed for him. At first, it was just the similarity to our own practice, but what struck me was the outpouring of love, support, and community that it represented - beyond ritual or ceremony, to an active, open, communal expression of concern for this man&#039;s lose and grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While a missionary in Avignon, France, the sisters in our district befriended a local rabbi who invited them (and the rest of us) to attend their sabbath services.  In the end, 12 missionaries showed up (sadly, most left part way through the service, which I found profoundly disrespectful, but likely someone elses companion was willing to stay with me.</p>
<p>Highlights included:<br />
The architecture of the synagogue &#8211; circular, with men on ground floor, women on second.</p>
<p>Listening to them speak and sing in Hebrew.</p>
<p>Coupled with a vain attempt to follow along the French on the other page, which nevertheless revealed some interesting bits about their hope for the messiah.</p>
<p>They also stand frequently, which being ignorant, I didn&#8217;t do.  No one said anything until they brought out the Torah scrolls.  Then the elderly gentleman yelled at us (in French) &#8220;stand up! For respect of the stand up!&#8221; We stood.  When time came to sit down, the man&#8217;s son (still older than us) apologized, saying it is very important to his father.  To which I apologized again for my ignorance and told him his father had nothing to apoligize for.</p>
<p>When they called up another elderly gentleman whose wife had recently died, stood in a circle around him, placed their hands on his head and prayed for him. At first, it was just the similarity to our own practice, but what struck me was the outpouring of love, support, and community that it represented &#8211; beyond ritual or ceremony, to an active, open, communal expression of concern for this man&#8217;s lose and grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonovitch</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/03/the-missionary-at-mass/#comment-253490</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A girlfriend from high school was part of the local evangelical megachurch.  Her dad loved me, until he found out I was a Mormon.  I think he gave her the copy of that anti-Mormon movie she and I watched together that one time.  (It was appalling -- that&#039;s all I can remember about it.)  She dumped me, and I was crushed, and so was she.  I didn&#039;t understand it, and she gave me some lame high-school answer at the time.  A couple years later, I asked her the real reason, and she said it was because her dad was her best friend -- it was basically a choice between him and me.  Ironically, a couple months later she moved on to a Jewish boyfriend, which her dad was apparently perfectly fine with (and she eventually married a different Jewish guy).  Double ironically, and tragically, a few years later her dad ran off with another woman and left his family behind.  

But, come on, Jon, isn&#039;t this supposed to be positive comments only?!  Yes, and here it is.  

My old girlfriend and I are still good friends, and I call her every year on her birthday to wish her well.  She is married to a great guy and recently had a little boy.  In high school, she was good friends with another guy who&#039;s Mormon, and while he was on his mission, she read through the entire Book of Mormon.  

While I was at BYU, the Nauvoo Temple was open for the public, and having been to the city many times pre-temple, I wanted to go.  About that same time, I had taken myself up on the challenge to pray for opportunities to share the gospel.  Out of the blue, I called her old phone number, knowing her wonderful mom still lived there (despite her stupid dad having left).  We had a great chat and she mentioned that her daughter lived in Iowa City.  Since I&#039;m rather thick-headed, it took the Spirit a good couple days for me to realize that is exactly North of Nauvoo -- and the temple open house.  

I called up my old girlfriend in Iowa City, and told her of my plan to drive across the country with my wife to go to the Nauvoo Temple open house, and would she and her husband like to come with us, being that it&#039;s no more than a couple hours exactly South of where they lived, and oh, by the way, can we sleep on your futon?  :)  She went for it, we drove across the country, slept on her futon, and me, my wife, and my old girlfriend (who had previously read the entire Book of Mormon) went to tour the temple.  (Her husband couldn&#039;t get off work.)  

(See, that&#039;s nice and positive, right?)

Every time I call her on her birthday, she has plenty to ask me about our Church.  I don&#039;t even have to bring it up most times.  She told me once that when they moved from their apartment to a house in Iowa City, a nice, clean, young couple lived just down the street with a newborn baby, and while her husband thought they might have been Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses, she was pretty sure she had them pegged as Mormons.  She was right.  At our 10-year high school reunion, we chatted for about an hour, all about the Church.  

She still hasn&#039;t joined the Church, and she may never.  But she has a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for our Church.  

As an epilogue, it turns out that one of the ladies on my home teaching list (who says she wants out of our Church) attends the same megachurch my old high-school girlfriend used to.  When I called her a couple weeks ago (my home-teachee, that is) we had a great chat about Jesus Christ, grace and mercy, and salvation, all on terms that she could understand.  She still wants out, but she&#039;s not off my list yet, so I&#039;m going to keep trying to have some of those great, good-old-fashioned Christian chats with her, thanks to the clout I&#039;ve earned with my long relationship with an evangelical, high-school girlfriend.  

Thanks for the great post, Ardis, and thanks to everyone else for sharing their great stories.  

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A girlfriend from high school was part of the local evangelical megachurch.  Her dad loved me, until he found out I was a Mormon.  I think he gave her the copy of that anti-Mormon movie she and I watched together that one time.  (It was appalling &#8212; that&#8217;s all I can remember about it.)  She dumped me, and I was crushed, and so was she.  I didn&#8217;t understand it, and she gave me some lame high-school answer at the time.  A couple years later, I asked her the real reason, and she said it was because her dad was her best friend &#8212; it was basically a choice between him and me.  Ironically, a couple months later she moved on to a Jewish boyfriend, which her dad was apparently perfectly fine with (and she eventually married a different Jewish guy).  Double ironically, and tragically, a few years later her dad ran off with another woman and left his family behind.  </p>
<p>But, come on, Jon, isn&#8217;t this supposed to be positive comments only?!  Yes, and here it is.  </p>
<p>My old girlfriend and I are still good friends, and I call her every year on her birthday to wish her well.  She is married to a great guy and recently had a little boy.  In high school, she was good friends with another guy who&#8217;s Mormon, and while he was on his mission, she read through the entire Book of Mormon.  </p>
<p>While I was at BYU, the Nauvoo Temple was open for the public, and having been to the city many times pre-temple, I wanted to go.  About that same time, I had taken myself up on the challenge to pray for opportunities to share the gospel.  Out of the blue, I called her old phone number, knowing her wonderful mom still lived there (despite her stupid dad having left).  We had a great chat and she mentioned that her daughter lived in Iowa City.  Since I&#8217;m rather thick-headed, it took the Spirit a good couple days for me to realize that is exactly North of Nauvoo &#8212; and the temple open house.  </p>
<p>I called up my old girlfriend in Iowa City, and told her of my plan to drive across the country with my wife to go to the Nauvoo Temple open house, and would she and her husband like to come with us, being that it&#8217;s no more than a couple hours exactly South of where they lived, and oh, by the way, can we sleep on your futon?  :)  She went for it, we drove across the country, slept on her futon, and me, my wife, and my old girlfriend (who had previously read the entire Book of Mormon) went to tour the temple.  (Her husband couldn&#8217;t get off work.)  </p>
<p>(See, that&#8217;s nice and positive, right?)</p>
<p>Every time I call her on her birthday, she has plenty to ask me about our Church.  I don&#8217;t even have to bring it up most times.  She told me once that when they moved from their apartment to a house in Iowa City, a nice, clean, young couple lived just down the street with a newborn baby, and while her husband thought they might have been Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, she was pretty sure she had them pegged as Mormons.  She was right.  At our 10-year high school reunion, we chatted for about an hour, all about the Church.  </p>
<p>She still hasn&#8217;t joined the Church, and she may never.  But she has a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for our Church.  </p>
<p>As an epilogue, it turns out that one of the ladies on my home teaching list (who says she wants out of our Church) attends the same megachurch my old high-school girlfriend used to.  When I called her a couple weeks ago (my home-teachee, that is) we had a great chat about Jesus Christ, grace and mercy, and salvation, all on terms that she could understand.  She still wants out, but she&#8217;s not off my list yet, so I&#8217;m going to keep trying to have some of those great, good-old-fashioned Christian chats with her, thanks to the clout I&#8217;ve earned with my long relationship with an evangelical, high-school girlfriend.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the great post, Ardis, and thanks to everyone else for sharing their great stories.  </p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: gej</title>
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		<dc:creator>gej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended mass with my Catholic girl friend when in high school.  My very devout Catholic neighbors were in the congregation and I can only wonder what they were thinking.

Also attended midnight mass in Phoenix with my companion and DL&#039;s.  Both experiences where very positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended mass with my Catholic girl friend when in high school.  My very devout Catholic neighbors were in the congregation and I can only wonder what they were thinking.</p>
<p>Also attended midnight mass in Phoenix with my companion and DL&#8217;s.  Both experiences where very positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Holy Week in Spain was awesome and inspiring.  Most of my fellow missionaries thought it was debased, and I could see their point of view and even shared it with respect to some types of popular religious observances and processionals in the area, but Holy Week itself was something else.  Like the easter week processionals to Tome and Chimayo down here, I think there are some kinds of public devotion that even if you wouldn&#039;t want to do yourself you can be moved to see others do them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Holy Week in Spain was awesome and inspiring.  Most of my fellow missionaries thought it was debased, and I could see their point of view and even shared it with respect to some types of popular religious observances and processionals in the area, but Holy Week itself was something else.  Like the easter week processionals to Tome and Chimayo down here, I think there are some kinds of public devotion that even if you wouldn&#8217;t want to do yourself you can be moved to see others do them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But lest I spew forth stories of how culturally sensitive I was and used it to convert oodles of my Pakistani familyâ€™s co-religionists to the church, the reality was quite different&lt;/i&gt;

Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But lest I spew forth stories of how culturally sensitive I was and used it to convert oodles of my Pakistani familyâ€™s co-religionists to the church, the reality was quite different</i></p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, Ardis P.  I have had plenty of great experiences with evangelical protestants of various stripes (go Wheaton!) and with mainstream Protestant music.  Notre Dame was great, especially our Catholic friends there.  We would sometimes go to our complex&#039;s mass on special occasions when it seemed like the community thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, Ardis P.  I have had plenty of great experiences with evangelical protestants of various stripes (go Wheaton!) and with mainstream Protestant music.  Notre Dame was great, especially our Catholic friends there.  We would sometimes go to our complex&#8217;s mass on special occasions when it seemed like the community thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: namakemono</title>
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		<dc:creator>namakemono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Raymond Swenson in comment #39, my Russian Orthodox friend I mentioned in #23 is Japanese. I gather from her that the Russian Orthodox community in Japan is not big, so it is possible that they would know/know of each other (^-^) The rest of your comment was interesting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Raymond Swenson in comment #39, my Russian Orthodox friend I mentioned in #23 is Japanese. I gather from her that the Russian Orthodox community in Japan is not big, so it is possible that they would know/know of each other (^-^) The rest of your comment was interesting too.</p>
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