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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had to make a hard decision yesterday.  We&#039;ve had so many people requesting screenings for one event or another, and we&#039;ve finally decided that since we don&#039;t want the DVD out in public where it is simply too easy to copy, we&#039;re saying no to all screening invitations unless one of us (Darius, one of our reps, or I) is present.  So we&#039;re submitting to various film festivals around the country.  That way, the theater is provided (we don&#039;t have to rent it), the projection is professional, and the seats are comfortable and can accommodate large crowds.  There&#039;s a chance we&#039;ll get on the east coast--or nearby.  I&#039;ll let you know!

As for the news of the revelation--I don&#039;t think honking horns were part of the day, but embraces certainly were.  I was in Mexico City and heard the news from my bishop&#039;s wife, who was weeping from joy.  I think the joy was more private than public, and rather restrained in a lot of cases.  Lots of tears and hugs.  

Manaen, what year was Shefyl Lynn Townsend at BYU?  She&#039;s probably about my age.  I&#039;d love to see the poem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had to make a hard decision yesterday.  We&#8217;ve had so many people requesting screenings for one event or another, and we&#8217;ve finally decided that since we don&#8217;t want the DVD out in public where it is simply too easy to copy, we&#8217;re saying no to all screening invitations unless one of us (Darius, one of our reps, or I) is present.  So we&#8217;re submitting to various film festivals around the country.  That way, the theater is provided (we don&#8217;t have to rent it), the projection is professional, and the seats are comfortable and can accommodate large crowds.  There&#8217;s a chance we&#8217;ll get on the east coast&#8211;or nearby.  I&#8217;ll let you know!</p>
<p>As for the news of the revelation&#8211;I don&#8217;t think honking horns were part of the day, but embraces certainly were.  I was in Mexico City and heard the news from my bishop&#8217;s wife, who was weeping from joy.  I think the joy was more private than public, and rather restrained in a lot of cases.  Lots of tears and hugs.  </p>
<p>Manaen, what year was Shefyl Lynn Townsend at BYU?  She&#8217;s probably about my age.  I&#8217;d love to see the poem.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret--

It sounds wonderful, I&#039;m so excited to see it.  I assume you&#039;ll post information on how to order the DVD when it comes out, yes?  Also, is it going to play anywhere on the East Coast?  One final question, which myabe you can answer more authoratatively because of your research.  My impression is that, for the majority of the Church, the announcement of the Revelation in 1978 was not just a major revelation, and not just exciting, but a day of real rejoicing--i.e. spontaneously embracing in the streets and honking your horn on main street in Provo.  Is that pretty accurate?  I know there were some people who were, unfortunately, slow to accept the news, but, on a whole, is my perception accurate?  That has always been my understanding.  I hope it is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret&#8211;</p>
<p>It sounds wonderful, I&#8217;m so excited to see it.  I assume you&#8217;ll post information on how to order the DVD when it comes out, yes?  Also, is it going to play anywhere on the East Coast?  One final question, which myabe you can answer more authoratatively because of your research.  My impression is that, for the majority of the Church, the announcement of the Revelation in 1978 was not just a major revelation, and not just exciting, but a day of real rejoicing&#8211;i.e. spontaneously embracing in the streets and honking your horn on main street in Provo.  Is that pretty accurate?  I know there were some people who were, unfortunately, slow to accept the news, but, on a whole, is my perception accurate?  That has always been my understanding.  I hope it is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
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		<dc:creator>manaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another person you may want to find is Sheryl Lynn Townsend, as she then was called.  I knew her as an African-American LDS student at BYU a few years before the Revelation.  I still have, somewhere, the copy she gave me of her poem, &quot;I Will Wait.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another person you may want to find is Sheryl Lynn Townsend, as she then was called.  I knew her as an African-American LDS student at BYU a few years before the Revelation.  I still have, somewhere, the copy she gave me of her poem, &#8220;I Will Wait.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re in contact with Gene Orr.  It&#039;s John Lamb I&#039;d really like to find.  Thanks Jim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re in contact with Gene Orr.  It&#8217;s John Lamb I&#8217;d really like to find.  Thanks Jim!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret,

It appeared in your comments regarding the show on The Juvenile Instructor that you were interested in tracking down Gene Orr.  I don&#039;t know exactly where he lives now, but I could find out.  He lived in Barrhead, Alberta until a few years ago.  While serving a mission in Alberta I spent many a wonderful Sunday afternoon in his home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret,</p>
<p>It appeared in your comments regarding the show on The Juvenile Instructor that you were interested in tracking down Gene Orr.  I don&#8217;t know exactly where he lives now, but I could find out.  He lived in Barrhead, Alberta until a few years ago.  While serving a mission in Alberta I spent many a wonderful Sunday afternoon in his home.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your suggestions, Manaen.  It was wonderful to meet you and your beautiful fiancee at the event.

Of course, I thought about trying to find footage of Elder McConkie giving the &quot;Forget everything...&quot; talk, and even searched for it.  I came up empty.  Since it was given to Church employees at a CES fireside, I don&#039;t know that it is accessible at all in video form.  The other thing I was intensely aware of is that we show many LDS Church leaders--all of whom are familiar to Mormons, but not to the non-LDS audience.  Because our objective is bridge-building, I tended to shy away from too much footage of OUR familiar faces.  (In fact, in the 60-minute version, we lose several of them.  We took out the chapter on the Genesis Group in that edit--as well as other material.  The sixty-minute version is what we hope will air on PBS or the History Channel someday.  They have strict time requirements.)

We were rather brutal editors, aiming for something accessible to a wide audience.  We don&#039;t go into much depth at all about the some Church leaders&#039; opposition to Civil Rights (though we have that wonderful footage depicting protestors), as Kaimi noted.  And there was some material I was CERTAIN would be in the DVD which didn&#039;t make it to final cut.  That all-important 1879 meeting to determine whether or not Elijah Abel could be endowed is not mentioned at all in the Documentary.  That surprised even me, but I remember the day I realized it simply didn&#039;t fit.  Of course, it&#039;ll be in the Special Features, but putting it into the documentary itself would have gotten us into some of the nitty-gritty of names and dates--lethal to many potential audience members.  (&quot;Who is Zebedee Coltrin?  WHo&#039;s Abraham Smoot?  Am I supposed to remember these guys and everyone else too?) Though we have Greg Prince talking at length about President McKay and the discussions of doctrine/policy, we edited a lot of that when there were too many names for the audience to keep track of.

I think what you as an audience member should come away with is a sense of the generally unknown history of Blacks in the LDS Church, a sense of the evolution of the priesthood restriction and its undergirding teachings, a sense of the Mormon worldview (including the importance of revelation), and a sense that though challenges remain, there are many remarkable modern Black pioneers.  I think you get to know some amazing people--Tamu, Darius, Ted, etc.  They are really the soul of the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your suggestions, Manaen.  It was wonderful to meet you and your beautiful fiancee at the event.</p>
<p>Of course, I thought about trying to find footage of Elder McConkie giving the &#8220;Forget everything&#8230;&#8221; talk, and even searched for it.  I came up empty.  Since it was given to Church employees at a CES fireside, I don&#8217;t know that it is accessible at all in video form.  The other thing I was intensely aware of is that we show many LDS Church leaders&#8211;all of whom are familiar to Mormons, but not to the non-LDS audience.  Because our objective is bridge-building, I tended to shy away from too much footage of OUR familiar faces.  (In fact, in the 60-minute version, we lose several of them.  We took out the chapter on the Genesis Group in that edit&#8211;as well as other material.  The sixty-minute version is what we hope will air on PBS or the History Channel someday.  They have strict time requirements.)</p>
<p>We were rather brutal editors, aiming for something accessible to a wide audience.  We don&#8217;t go into much depth at all about the some Church leaders&#8217; opposition to Civil Rights (though we have that wonderful footage depicting protestors), as Kaimi noted.  And there was some material I was CERTAIN would be in the DVD which didn&#8217;t make it to final cut.  That all-important 1879 meeting to determine whether or not Elijah Abel could be endowed is not mentioned at all in the Documentary.  That surprised even me, but I remember the day I realized it simply didn&#8217;t fit.  Of course, it&#8217;ll be in the Special Features, but putting it into the documentary itself would have gotten us into some of the nitty-gritty of names and dates&#8211;lethal to many potential audience members.  (&#8220;Who is Zebedee Coltrin?  WHo&#8217;s Abraham Smoot?  Am I supposed to remember these guys and everyone else too?) Though we have Greg Prince talking at length about President McKay and the discussions of doctrine/policy, we edited a lot of that when there were too many names for the audience to keep track of.</p>
<p>I think what you as an audience member should come away with is a sense of the generally unknown history of Blacks in the LDS Church, a sense of the evolution of the priesthood restriction and its undergirding teachings, a sense of the Mormon worldview (including the importance of revelation), and a sense that though challenges remain, there are many remarkable modern Black pioneers.  I think you get to know some amazing people&#8211;Tamu, Darius, Ted, etc.  They are really the soul of the film.</p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
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		<dc:creator>manaen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fiancee and I enjoyed the screening in San Diego last Saturday.  We enjoyed this films combination of candor and uplift.
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My fiancee, a recent convert, believes that it&#039;s good to become open about our history and she left more pleased with her membership.  Darius&#039;s comment upon meeting her, that she would like the Church more the longer she&#039;s in it, added to her enjoyment.
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We met an AA LDS from San Diego, convert of a couple years ago now reactivating, who found peace about BY&#039;s comments in this film.  He explained that it wasn&#039;t because somebody had explained them but because somebody acknowledged them without blinking.  I emailed him some articles and links about other Black LDS.
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I also talked with the co-producer of a film about debt in the Black community.  I told him that Model Minority -- which had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://modelminority.blogspot.com/2007/12/mormons-hate-black-people.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posting&lt;/a&gt; in December about Blacks and the Church -- recently had a post about the similiarities between crack and too-easy mortgages and jointly emailed him and the blog&#039;s owner to introduce them.
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The LDS African-American Association here in SoCal invited Louis Duffy, Jane Manning&#039;s descendant, to participate in the 2/17 fireside about Black LDS pioneers in Long Beach.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://ldsaaa.googlegroups.com/web/LDSAAA%20Black%20History%20Month%20Flyer%2001.30.08.pdf?gda=O1A6YF4AAAC1PzCzI9dn9JyER35pbYM5JyhoqHxqMSK3PB29B08rKmG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSkmeiZVtRoGoq1YqXtgc7NFpD08MdgHpeaXYfXoKey5ZfJi4ExhQEEnIVW6-OyaYg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the flyer.&lt;/a&gt;
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A couple suggestions for &quot;Nobody Knows:&quot;  
(1) I agree that a &quot;more direct citation&quot; of Elder McConkie&#039;s &quot;forget everything&quot; quote would help.  In a film about bringing clarity, having one of the interviewees paraphrasing Elder McConkie blunts the effect -- maybe either have Marvin read McConkie&#039;s words or cut to a video clip of McConkie speaking them.  
(2) Maybe another 10-15 minutes of content.  This film is excellent, but I left feeling a little unsatisfied, teased by what I saw, thinking that we had skimmed the surface of the chapters but not quite getting enough.  But, you easily could do an hour on each chapter&#039;s content so maybe the current tease suffices for now.
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In all, loved your work -- eager for DVD to be available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fiancee and I enjoyed the screening in San Diego last Saturday.  We enjoyed this films combination of candor and uplift.<br />
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My fiancee, a recent convert, believes that it&#8217;s good to become open about our history and she left more pleased with her membership.  Darius&#8217;s comment upon meeting her, that she would like the Church more the longer she&#8217;s in it, added to her enjoyment.<br />
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We met an AA LDS from San Diego, convert of a couple years ago now reactivating, who found peace about BY&#8217;s comments in this film.  He explained that it wasn&#8217;t because somebody had explained them but because somebody acknowledged them without blinking.  I emailed him some articles and links about other Black LDS.<br />
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I also talked with the co-producer of a film about debt in the Black community.  I told him that Model Minority &#8212; which had a <a href="http://modelminority.blogspot.com/2007/12/mormons-hate-black-people.html" rel="nofollow">posting</a> in December about Blacks and the Church &#8212; recently had a post about the similiarities between crack and too-easy mortgages and jointly emailed him and the blog&#8217;s owner to introduce them.<br />
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The LDS African-American Association here in SoCal invited Louis Duffy, Jane Manning&#8217;s descendant, to participate in the 2/17 fireside about Black LDS pioneers in Long Beach.  <a href="http://ldsaaa.googlegroups.com/web/LDSAAA%20Black%20History%20Month%20Flyer%2001.30.08.pdf?gda=O1A6YF4AAAC1PzCzI9dn9JyER35pbYM5JyhoqHxqMSK3PB29B08rKmG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDSkmeiZVtRoGoq1YqXtgc7NFpD08MdgHpeaXYfXoKey5ZfJi4ExhQEEnIVW6-OyaYg" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the flyer.</a><br />
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A couple suggestions for &#8220;Nobody Knows:&#8221;<br />
(1) I agree that a &#8220;more direct citation&#8221; of Elder McConkie&#8217;s &#8220;forget everything&#8221; quote would help.  In a film about bringing clarity, having one of the interviewees paraphrasing Elder McConkie blunts the effect &#8212; maybe either have Marvin read McConkie&#8217;s words or cut to a video clip of McConkie speaking them.<br />
(2) Maybe another 10-15 minutes of content.  This film is excellent, but I left feeling a little unsatisfied, teased by what I saw, thinking that we had skimmed the surface of the chapters but not quite getting enough.  But, you easily could do an hour on each chapter&#8217;s content so maybe the current tease suffices for now.<br />
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In all, loved your work &#8212; eager for DVD to be available.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as long as we&#039;re searching for people, we have been trying to find John Lamb, a jazz musician who played with Duke Ellington.  I don&#039;t know who the blind brother is, but I&#039;m hoping someone can give you a lead.  (I do have a friend in Oakland--a former Black Panther, now a temple sealer, who likely knows.  I&#039;ll e-mail him.)  Does anyone know John Lamb?  We had a lead that he lived in Sarasota, Florida, but we couldn&#039;t find any more information on him.

DVD--I&#039;m guessing we&#039;ll have it out by the end of June.  We need to finish special features, then sound master and color correct them, then package.  We will look for some kind of public television airing possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as long as we&#8217;re searching for people, we have been trying to find John Lamb, a jazz musician who played with Duke Ellington.  I don&#8217;t know who the blind brother is, but I&#8217;m hoping someone can give you a lead.  (I do have a friend in Oakland&#8211;a former Black Panther, now a temple sealer, who likely knows.  I&#8217;ll e-mail him.)  Does anyone know John Lamb?  We had a lead that he lived in Sarasota, Florida, but we couldn&#8217;t find any more information on him.</p>
<p>DVD&#8211;I&#8217;m guessing we&#8217;ll have it out by the end of June.  We need to finish special features, then sound master and color correct them, then package.  We will look for some kind of public television airing possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: jrl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi: Thanks so much for the review.  I wish that I lived somewhere that it will be showing.  There are plenty of Mormons in Mesa - perhaps a screening there?  I will email and call all of my friends to tell them to come...
I can hardly wait to see this film.  I sent a link to the trailer to my parents and siblings and they were all impressed.  I really hope that PBS will pick this up.  It seems like the kind of programming that viewers would be interested in.  
One random question, since the world is so small - On my mission in Oakland, I remember a wonderful African American brother that helped the missionaries every chance he could.  He was blind and he had been a member since before 1978, I think.  He had served a mission and he was always ready to help us.  Salt of the Earth.  I cannot remember his name.  Does he sound familiar to anyone here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi: Thanks so much for the review.  I wish that I lived somewhere that it will be showing.  There are plenty of Mormons in Mesa &#8211; perhaps a screening there?  I will email and call all of my friends to tell them to come&#8230;<br />
I can hardly wait to see this film.  I sent a link to the trailer to my parents and siblings and they were all impressed.  I really hope that PBS will pick this up.  It seems like the kind of programming that viewers would be interested in.<br />
One random question, since the world is so small &#8211; On my mission in Oakland, I remember a wonderful African American brother that helped the missionaries every chance he could.  He was blind and he had been a member since before 1978, I think.  He had served a mission and he was always ready to help us.  Salt of the Earth.  I cannot remember his name.  Does he sound familiar to anyone here?</p>
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		<title>By: jjohnsen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;in Q&amp;A, Darius spoke of one congregation in the south which recently tried to expel its Black members.&quot;

!!!!?  What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in Q&amp;A, Darius spoke of one congregation in the south which recently tried to expel its Black members.&#8221;</p>
<p>!!!!?  What?</p>
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