Comments on: Mormons and the Pew U.S. Religious Landscape Survey http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:57:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Bryan Stout http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-252065 Bryan Stout Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:41:42 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-252065 Very interesting. I wish we could access the database to see how the numbers slice in any you want. For example: - How does the ethnic composition of the church vary by state, or at least by region? Here in the DC area, for example, it's a lot more diverse than in the intermountain west. - How does the education vary by both gender and by region? Very interesting.

I wish we could access the database to see how the numbers slice in any you want. For example:

- How does the ethnic composition of the church vary by state, or at least by region? Here in the DC area, for example, it’s a lot more diverse than in the intermountain west.

- How does the education vary by both gender and by region?

]]> By: E http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251572 E Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:40:35 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251572 OK, LDS women who dropped out of school after getting married or having children. You're (apparently) bringing us down. Finish your degree! OK, LDS women who dropped out of school after getting married or having children. You’re (apparently) bringing us down. Finish your degree!

]]> By: Jonathan http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251556 Jonathan Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:46:18 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251556 Fascinating study..... thank you for posting. http://whoaremormons.blogspot.com Fascinating study….. thank you for posting.

http://whoaremormons.blogspot.com

]]> By: Joseph D. Walch http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251422 Joseph D. Walch Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:30:50 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251422 For good or for ill, we should also remember that there aren't as many LDS women going to Medical, Dental, MBA or JD school as other religious faith traditions. That would certainly skew the data, and indeed; I think it does (look at those who have 'some college' as a better indicator). I suspect that if the study were broken down by Gender then we would be able to 'discriminate' differences in education levels more precisely. For good or for ill, we should also remember that there aren’t as many LDS women going to Medical, Dental, MBA or JD school as other religious faith traditions. That would certainly skew the data, and indeed; I think it does (look at those who have ‘some college’ as a better indicator).

I suspect that if the study were broken down by Gender then we would be able to ‘discriminate’ differences in education levels more precisely.

]]> By: Frank McIntyre http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251344 Frank McIntyre Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:20 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251344 E, As I said, it is probably difficult to do much with the education numbers because it is not an apples to apples comparison. One would probably want to compare two groups of equivalent age where one was a member and one not. Further, one might like to concentrate on lifetime members, as education is fairly sticky, in that it changes little once one reaches adulthood. Thus adult converts are likely to have their "nonmember" education rates. E,

As I said, it is probably difficult to do much with the education numbers because it is not an apples to apples comparison. One would probably want to compare two groups of equivalent age where one was a member and one not. Further, one might like to concentrate on lifetime members, as education is fairly sticky, in that it changes little once one reaches adulthood. Thus adult converts are likely to have their “nonmember” education rates.

]]> By: GuyC http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251343 GuyC Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:31:44 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251343 Thanks for posting this. The PEW Study is interesting! And the discussion on it is also very interesting. My own thoughts... I was surprised at 2 things... 1) Average number of children per Mormon family. I'm surprised that Mormons are at the top in number of children per family. I always thought that Catholics were the highest. 2) Growth rate. I thought we were growing faster than the study suggests. Although, now that I think about it, our truly fast growth is taking place outside the U.S. Thanks for posting this. The PEW Study is interesting! And the discussion on it is also very interesting.

My own thoughts… I was surprised at 2 things…
1) Average number of children per Mormon family. I’m surprised that Mormons are at the top in number of children per family. I always thought that Catholics were the highest.
2) Growth rate. I thought we were growing faster than the study suggests. Although, now that I think about it, our truly fast growth is taking place outside the U.S.

]]> By: Dave Kitchen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251339 Dave Kitchen Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:08:25 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251339 Are you saying the number is at most overstated by 2% of the 2% or 2% of the 100%? :) I agree that the results may well be skewed because of sample size. Perhaps someone from Genesis Group can fill us in on the true number. I think I've seen Margaret Young post on t/s before. Are you saying the number is at most overstated by 2% of the 2% or 2% of the 100%? :)

I agree that the results may well be skewed because of sample size. Perhaps someone from Genesis Group can fill us in on the true number. I think I’ve seen Margaret Young post on t/s before.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251335 Adam Greenwood Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:19:12 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251335 We can be confident that the survey overstates the number of black Mormons by at most 2%. We can be confident that the survey overstates the number of black Mormons by at most 2%.

]]> By: Naismith http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251327 Naismith Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:07:50 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251327 "although 3% of “Mormons” are black, only 2% of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ members are black. This still leaves us even with the Catholics and the Mainline Protestants." Except that the margin of errror for Catholics and Mainline Protestants is much, much smaller than the 4.19% margin of error associated with this sample. (And frankly, I bet the error associated with that particular characteristic is even higher; margin of error is based on sample size, and many researchers won't even release findings on a particlar item if they didn't have at least 25 of something in sample...do we think that with only 547 LDS, they talked to 25 Blacks?) This means that every estimated percentage in the table is plus or minus 4 percentage points. So the percentage of whites is between 83% and 91%. “although 3% of “Mormons” are black, only 2% of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ members are black. This still leaves us even with the Catholics and the Mainline Protestants.”

Except that the margin of errror for Catholics and Mainline Protestants is much, much smaller than the 4.19% margin of error associated with this sample. (And frankly, I bet the error associated with that particular characteristic is even higher; margin of error is based on sample size, and many researchers won’t even release findings on a particlar item if they didn’t have at least 25 of something in sample…do we think that with only 547 LDS, they talked to 25 Blacks?)

This means that every estimated percentage in the table is plus or minus 4 percentage points. So the percentage of whites is between 83% and 91%.

]]> By: manaen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/02/mormons-and-the-pew-us-religious-landscape-survey/#comment-251314 manaen Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:27:26 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4419#comment-251314 #11. Correction to my comment in #11: the <a href="http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/table-ethnicity-by-tradition.pdf" rel="nofollow">detailed table on ethnicity by religion</a> shows that although 3% of "Mormons" are black, only 2% of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' members are black. This still leaves us even with the Catholics and the Mainline Protestants. 2% of the 5.8 million U.S. LDS at the end of 2006 would mean 116k black U.S. LDS then. This is tremendous growth from the estimated 2k total black membership in the 1960s. #11.
Correction to my comment in #11: the detailed table on ethnicity by religion shows that although 3% of “Mormons” are black, only 2% of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ members are black. This still leaves us even with the Catholics and the Mainline Protestants.

2% of the 5.8 million U.S. LDS at the end of 2006 would mean 116k black U.S. LDS then. This is tremendous growth from the estimated 2k total black membership in the 1960s.

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