Comments on: Who Won? http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/ Truth Will Prevail Fri, 25 May 2012 00:34:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246357 Adam Greenwood Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:51:07 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246357 <i>So is abortion the only issue you care about when it comes to politics, or just the one you care about the most?</i> The latter. <i>Because frankly I’m astonished when people make blanket statements about how they won’t vote for someone because they’re against gay marriage, or pro-abortion.</i> OK. Suit yourself. <i>How much of a chance is there that Obama, or anyone else elected this year, would have a large effect on abortion? Does Huckabee being against abortion make up for his many other faults? </i> The Supreme Court is in something approaching equipoise and as many as three justices could retire in the next 8 years. The chances that the next President will affect abortion policy are greater than with most issues. So is abortion the only issue you care about when it comes to politics, or just the one you care about the most?

The latter.

Because frankly I’m astonished when people make blanket statements about how they won’t vote for someone because they’re against gay marriage, or pro-abortion.

OK. Suit yourself.

How much of a chance is there that Obama, or anyone else elected this year, would have a large effect on abortion? Does Huckabee being against abortion make up for his many other faults?

The Supreme Court is in something approaching equipoise and as many as three justices could retire in the next 8 years. The chances that the next President will affect abortion policy are greater than with most issues.

]]> By: jjohnsen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246346 jjohnsen Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:31:19 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246346 Hopefully that didn't come off as an attack, I'm genuinely curious. Hopefully that didn’t come off as an attack, I’m genuinely curious.

]]> By: jjohnsen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246345 jjohnsen Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:30:45 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246345 "My only observation on the 50-comment threadjack is that I’d have a lot easier time voting for Huckabee than Giuliani or for folks like Clinton and Obama who support something as barbaric as partial birth abortion. I’m perfectly happy to embrace shaky, mild second-class citizen status if it helps the safety of His little ones." So is abortion the only issue you care about when it comes to politics, or just the one you care about the most? Because frankly I'm astonished when people make blanket statements about how they won't vote for someone because they're against gay marriage, or pro-abortion. How much of a chance is there that Obama, or anyone else elected this year, would have a large effect on abortion? Does Huckabee being against abortion make up for his many other faults? “My only observation on the 50-comment threadjack is that I’d have a lot easier time voting for Huckabee than Giuliani or for folks like Clinton and Obama who support something as barbaric as partial birth abortion. I’m perfectly happy to embrace shaky, mild second-class citizen status if it helps the safety of His little ones.”

So is abortion the only issue you care about when it comes to politics, or just the one you care about the most? Because frankly I’m astonished when people make blanket statements about how they won’t vote for someone because they’re against gay marriage, or pro-abortion. How much of a chance is there that Obama, or anyone else elected this year, would have a large effect on abortion? Does Huckabee being against abortion make up for his many other faults?

]]> By: Bob http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246253 Bob Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:05:42 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246253 #87: The only reason they used Chuck Norris was "Polly" from "Rocky" was busy. #87: The only reason they used Chuck Norris was “Polly” from “Rocky” was busy.

]]> By: Marc http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246251 Marc Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:57:15 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246251 I think the real question is... are we underestimating the <a href="http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/" rel="nofollow">Chuck Norris factor</a>... I think the real question is… are we underestimating the Chuck Norris factor…

]]> By: Bob http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246245 Bob Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:19:56 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246245 #84:John, thanks for the reply. Yes, what a man/woman believes and their character count. But so does that "institutional separation". #85: I hope this doesn't happen. I hope there is a whole lot of clear thinking before this vote. I hope we are better than an "Oprah factor". #84:John, thanks for the reply. Yes, what a man/woman believes and their character count. But so does that “institutional separation”.
#85: I hope this doesn’t happen. I hope there is a whole lot of clear thinking before this vote. I hope we are better than an “Oprah factor”.

]]> By: Sue http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246235 Sue Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:54:43 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246235 I honestly think people are underestimating the Oprah factor. There are a whole lot of women who are going to vote, who usually don\'t, because Oprah wants them to vote. Women who may not typically be politically engaged. And they\'re going to vote for Obama. I honestly think people are underestimating the Oprah factor. There are a whole lot of women who are going to vote, who usually don\’t, because Oprah wants them to vote. Women who may not typically be politically engaged. And they\’re going to vote for Obama.

]]> By: john f. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246232 john f. Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:39:25 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246232 re # 78: it is not about "churchiness", it is about which church you go to. Ironically, even Huckabee would not do well in Europe because being a fundamental Christian in the American Southern Baptist sense is only one small rung higher on the ladder of deluded religious wackos than being a Mormon. Only nominal members of one of the state churches are electable in most European countries. As to your point about the separation of church and state, I am personally a very strict separationist but nevertheless one who does not pretend to act like a person's religion does not inform a person's basic worldview and play a role in decision making and perspective. Since I believe religion is a force for good in people's lives, I think it is very good that this occurs -- but I am dead set against anything that could hint at a violation of the Establishment Clause or the complete institutional separation of church and state (e.g. school prayers). re # 78: it is not about “churchiness”, it is about which church you go to. Ironically, even Huckabee would not do well in Europe because being a fundamental Christian in the American Southern Baptist sense is only one small rung higher on the ladder of deluded religious wackos than being a Mormon. Only nominal members of one of the state churches are electable in most European countries.

As to your point about the separation of church and state, I am personally a very strict separationist but nevertheless one who does not pretend to act like a person’s religion does not inform a person’s basic worldview and play a role in decision making and perspective. Since I believe religion is a force for good in people’s lives, I think it is very good that this occurs — but I am dead set against anything that could hint at a violation of the Establishment Clause or the complete institutional separation of church and state (e.g. school prayers).

]]> By: East Coast http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246217 East Coast Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:55:07 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246217 From what I've seen in our community, Ron Paul appeals to the 25-44 year old white male voter. And no one else. From what I’ve seen in our community, Ron Paul appeals to the 25-44 year old white male voter. And no one else.

]]> By: e http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/who-won/#comment-246212 e Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:20:20 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4334#comment-246212 For all you conservatives out there: take a look at Ron Paul. He's fantastic. Seriously. For all you conservatives out there: take a look at Ron Paul. He’s fantastic. Seriously.

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