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		<title>By: Latter-Day Sustainablist</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/this-thing-was-not-done-in-a-corner/#comment-247098</link>
		<dc:creator>Latter-Day Sustainablist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah Feldman gave an interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news/news.newsmain?action=article&amp;ARTICLE_ID=1211628&amp;sectionID=184&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview on Radio West&lt;/a&gt; about his piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah Feldman gave an interesting <a href="http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news/news.newsmain?action=article&amp;ARTICLE_ID=1211628&amp;sectionID=184" rel="nofollow">interview on Radio West</a> about his piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/this-thing-was-not-done-in-a-corner/#comment-246934</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Blain.  I believe we far underestimate the legitimacy of their concern over &quot;losing a loved one to the Mormons&quot; - as someone once told me in complete seriousness.  If I didn&#039;t think their pain was as legitimate as mine, it would be a terrible statement about how I view them.  I hope I never get that cynical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Blain.  I believe we far underestimate the legitimacy of their concern over &#8220;losing a loved one to the Mormons&#8221; &#8211; as someone once told me in complete seriousness.  If I didn&#8217;t think their pain was as legitimate as mine, it would be a terrible statement about how I view them.  I hope I never get that cynical.</p>
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		<title>By: Blain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21 -- Your perspective makes sense to me, but that very much  misses my point.  My point was not to have a discussion of the relative merits of the perspectives in question -- it was to voice another perspective so it could be known of and possibly understood.  

I don&#039;t think I&#039;d make the concern about &quot;sheep stealing&quot; simply a matter of money or property.  I know of no basis whereby other churches care less about their members than we do, or that their concerns are any more financial than ours are.  We don&#039;t feel happy when someone leaves the Church to join another, so why should they feel happy when someone leaves to join us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21 &#8212; Your perspective makes sense to me, but that very much  misses my point.  My point was not to have a discussion of the relative merits of the perspectives in question &#8212; it was to voice another perspective so it could be known of and possibly understood.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d make the concern about &#8220;sheep stealing&#8221; simply a matter of money or property.  I know of no basis whereby other churches care less about their members than we do, or that their concerns are any more financial than ours are.  We don&#8217;t feel happy when someone leaves the Church to join another, so why should they feel happy when someone leaves to join us?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/this-thing-was-not-done-in-a-corner/#comment-246692</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Bob.  The outline is given, but the details never are.  That always happens after I enroll in the class.  If that weren&#039;t the case, there would be no need for the class or the teacher or the administrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Bob.  The outline is given, but the details never are.  That always happens after I enroll in the class.  If that weren&#8217;t the case, there would be no need for the class or the teacher or the administrators.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it was ever withheld from me, in any college class I had, what was going to be taught. I was always given an outline of what we would be taught, what the class was about, it&#039;s goals, etc., before the class started. True, you can&#039;t learn everything the first day. But you should have an understanding of the class before you take it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it was ever withheld from me, in any college class I had, what was going to be taught. I was always given an outline of what we would be taught, what the class was about, it&#8217;s goals, etc., before the class started. True, you can&#8217;t learn everything the first day. But you should have an understanding of the class before you take it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis, you put that very well. This simple discretion about avoiding bringing up more than people will be able to digest is probably the main issue at least for the past 70 years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, you put that very well. This simple discretion about avoiding bringing up more than people will be able to digest is probably the main issue at least for the past 70 years or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2008/01/this-thing-was-not-done-in-a-corner/#comment-246621</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resent the soft secrecy of the school system.  It was only after years of reading on my own that I discovered the real truth behind their Newtonian Physics Lies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resent the soft secrecy of the school system.  It was only after years of reading on my own that I discovered the real truth behind their Newtonian Physics Lies!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis -- Agree with you 100%. In almost every situation, whether it was as a missionary teaching non-members, in seminary teaching member youth, or explaining my beliefs to friends and peers in the military or at school, I have never found a need for \&quot;secrecy.\&quot; But, you can\&#039;t always explain complex doctrines with a three word answer, so it\&#039;s often easier and more appropriate to build on common beliefs and explain little by little from there. That\&#039;s not always an effective way to deal with the media, sadly. If it\&#039;s not a sound-bite, forget it.

Also, Blain -- I\&#039;m as quick as anybody to reconcile differences and try to work toward common understanding, but the simple solution is to continue what we\&#039;re doing. Whatever mainline protestants want to call it, there is no such thing as \&quot;sheep stealing\&quot; because people are not sheep. If the gospel were a commercial enterprise or a means of making a living, then that argument might be worthwhile. But the gospel is about our worship of Jesus Christ and reaching the celestial kingdom. To that end, we think and act and work out our salvation for ourselves, like the scriptures say to. It doesn\&#039;t matter all that much if that hurts the bottomline for other churches at the end of the fiscal year, especially if they really are interested in the spiritual salvation of their people and not their own temporal well-being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis &#8212; Agree with you 100%. In almost every situation, whether it was as a missionary teaching non-members, in seminary teaching member youth, or explaining my beliefs to friends and peers in the military or at school, I have never found a need for \&#8221;secrecy.\&#8221; But, you can\&#8217;t always explain complex doctrines with a three word answer, so it\&#8217;s often easier and more appropriate to build on common beliefs and explain little by little from there. That\&#8217;s not always an effective way to deal with the media, sadly. If it\&#8217;s not a sound-bite, forget it.</p>
<p>Also, Blain &#8212; I\&#8217;m as quick as anybody to reconcile differences and try to work toward common understanding, but the simple solution is to continue what we\&#8217;re doing. Whatever mainline protestants want to call it, there is no such thing as \&#8221;sheep stealing\&#8221; because people are not sheep. If the gospel were a commercial enterprise or a means of making a living, then that argument might be worthwhile. But the gospel is about our worship of Jesus Christ and reaching the celestial kingdom. To that end, we think and act and work out our salvation for ourselves, like the scriptures say to. It doesn\&#8217;t matter all that much if that hurts the bottomline for other churches at the end of the fiscal year, especially if they really are interested in the spiritual salvation of their people and not their own temporal well-being.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never tried to hide anything. If there&#039;s a complaint from my non-Mormon clients who need a guide through the byways of Mormon history, it&#039;s that I tell them too MUCH when all they want is a simple three-word answer. They don&#039;t realize, most of the time, that I&#039;ve already grossly simplified matters in order to give them what they perceive as a flood of information.

Any successful teacher knows you need some kind of order in which to present large amounts of information, or even a small amount of complex information. You get nowhere with a scatter-shot, disorganized approach. And anyone who complains about that &quot;milk before meat&quot; approach as a smarmy excuse for &quot;hiding&quot; something needs to realize that effective teachers of all kinds use that approach -- schools have prerequisites for advanced classes, the military requires progression through ranks to gain relevant experience, coaches drill their athletes gradually toward record-breaking feats rather than starting at Olympian levels.

As a missionary I discussed polygamy candidly with an investigator from Madagascar, because she brought it up as an issue from her family background. I would have discussed any other &quot;secret&quot; as candidly as I could have, had it arisen. As it was, most people were so bowled over by the realization that the heavens are open, or with coming to grips with their feelings while reading the Book of Mormon, or struggling to adjust to the Word of Wisdom, that an advanced course in the King Follet Discourse, even had I been equipped to deliver it, would have been meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never tried to hide anything. If there&#8217;s a complaint from my non-Mormon clients who need a guide through the byways of Mormon history, it&#8217;s that I tell them too MUCH when all they want is a simple three-word answer. They don&#8217;t realize, most of the time, that I&#8217;ve already grossly simplified matters in order to give them what they perceive as a flood of information.</p>
<p>Any successful teacher knows you need some kind of order in which to present large amounts of information, or even a small amount of complex information. You get nowhere with a scatter-shot, disorganized approach. And anyone who complains about that &#8220;milk before meat&#8221; approach as a smarmy excuse for &#8220;hiding&#8221; something needs to realize that effective teachers of all kinds use that approach &#8212; schools have prerequisites for advanced classes, the military requires progression through ranks to gain relevant experience, coaches drill their athletes gradually toward record-breaking feats rather than starting at Olympian levels.</p>
<p>As a missionary I discussed polygamy candidly with an investigator from Madagascar, because she brought it up as an issue from her family background. I would have discussed any other &#8220;secret&#8221; as candidly as I could have, had it arisen. As it was, most people were so bowled over by the realization that the heavens are open, or with coming to grips with their feelings while reading the Book of Mormon, or struggling to adjust to the Word of Wisdom, that an advanced course in the King Follet Discourse, even had I been equipped to deliver it, would have been meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: peetie</title>
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		<dc:creator>peetie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. . . I just reviewed the comments over at mormonstories.org, and it reminded me that _we_ can&#039;t really say &quot;we&quot; all-inclusively about much in the church. I hold a different view than 99% of the comments being made over there, yet still identify myself as mormon, as I&#039;m sure the people commenting do. You might choose to strike my polygamy being doctrinal comment above, though the eternal progression (As God now is . . . ) I think would be much more universally accepted within the church. Regardless, we still sometimes hide doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. . . I just reviewed the comments over at mormonstories.org, and it reminded me that _we_ can&#8217;t really say &#8220;we&#8221; all-inclusively about much in the church. I hold a different view than 99% of the comments being made over there, yet still identify myself as mormon, as I&#8217;m sure the people commenting do. You might choose to strike my polygamy being doctrinal comment above, though the eternal progression (As God now is . . . ) I think would be much more universally accepted within the church. Regardless, we still sometimes hide doctrine.</p>
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