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	<title>Comments on: A Couple of Thoughts on President Hinckley</title>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 06:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;so thereâ€™s nothing particularly prophetic about its anticipation of that issue&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe not anticipation, but definitely the response...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>so thereâ€™s nothing particularly prophetic about its anticipation of that issue</i></p>
<p>Maybe not anticipation, but definitely the response&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy, I generally agree with your points, but have to quibble with this:  &quot;Look at the Proclamation on the Family- who knew 9 or 10 years later we\â€™d be fighting to define marriage?&quot;

In fact, everyone knew it--the Proclamation was composed while the Church was participating in the first lawsuit over the right of gays to marry in Hawaii, so there&#039;s nothing particularly prophetic about its anticipation of that issue.  

Sorry, pet peeve.  /end threadjack/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, I generally agree with your points, but have to quibble with this:  &#8220;Look at the Proclamation on the Family- who knew 9 or 10 years later we\â€™d be fighting to define marriage?&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, everyone knew it&#8211;the Proclamation was composed while the Church was participating in the first lawsuit over the right of gays to marry in Hawaii, so there&#8217;s nothing particularly prophetic about its anticipation of that issue.  </p>
<p>Sorry, pet peeve.  /end threadjack/</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Back to your original premise - I too had similar thoughts but for a different reason. When I looked at the line up - this was during Bensons time- it looked to me like you had several older men and then you had Monson - I figured he would be the next one because he was younger and would be more vigorous. Boy did Pres. Hinckley prove me wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely, Kathy. Those of us lifetime members in--what, say, our mid-to-late 30s through our  mid-to-late 40s?--a certain age bracket for the most part didn&#039;t start thinking seriously about the church leadership until sometime during out teenage years in the 1980s, during which we had a feeble and dying President Kimball, followed by President Benson, who after a few good years descended rapidly into the same state. Next to all them was Elder Hinckley, active but already well into his 70s, Elder Hunter, old and crippled by disease, Elder Packer, healthy but usually scowling and seemingly prematurely aged...and then Elder Monson: a towering, hearty, laughing, energetic presence, a leading general authority who wasn&#039;t even at retirement age yet. He could have gotten himself a second career working at Wal-Mart. 

There was a book written by Harold Bloom in the late 1980s, titles &lt;i&gt;The American Religion&lt;/i&gt;, which spent a while talking about Joseph Smith and the Mormons; the thing I remember best about the book were the estimates he ran on upcoming church leaders, and his hypothesis that the &quot;powerful Thomas S. Monson&quot; would likely reign over the church for decades, changing it as no other church leader ever before could have imagined. Of course, that could still happen...but Hinckley&#039;s longevity has certainly taken a bite out of Bloom&#039;s prediction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Back to your original premise &#8211; I too had similar thoughts but for a different reason. When I looked at the line up &#8211; this was during Bensons time- it looked to me like you had several older men and then you had Monson &#8211; I figured he would be the next one because he was younger and would be more vigorous. Boy did Pres. Hinckley prove me wrong.</i></p>
<p>Absolutely, Kathy. Those of us lifetime members in&#8211;what, say, our mid-to-late 30s through our  mid-to-late 40s?&#8211;a certain age bracket for the most part didn&#8217;t start thinking seriously about the church leadership until sometime during out teenage years in the 1980s, during which we had a feeble and dying President Kimball, followed by President Benson, who after a few good years descended rapidly into the same state. Next to all them was Elder Hinckley, active but already well into his 70s, Elder Hunter, old and crippled by disease, Elder Packer, healthy but usually scowling and seemingly prematurely aged&#8230;and then Elder Monson: a towering, hearty, laughing, energetic presence, a leading general authority who wasn&#8217;t even at retirement age yet. He could have gotten himself a second career working at Wal-Mart. </p>
<p>There was a book written by Harold Bloom in the late 1980s, titles <i>The American Religion</i>, which spent a while talking about Joseph Smith and the Mormons; the thing I remember best about the book were the estimates he ran on upcoming church leaders, and his hypothesis that the &#8220;powerful Thomas S. Monson&#8221; would likely reign over the church for decades, changing it as no other church leader ever before could have imagined. Of course, that could still happen&#8230;but Hinckley&#8217;s longevity has certainly taken a bite out of Bloom&#8217;s prediction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to your original premise- I too had similar thoughts but for a different reason. When I looked at the line up - this was during Bensons time- it looked to me like you had several older men and then you had Monson- I figured he would be the next one because he was younger and would be more vigorous. 
   Boy did Pres. Hinckley prove me wrong- and I think he\&#039;s been way more then a careful administrator. Look at the Proclamation on the Family- who knew 9 or 10 years later we\&#039;d be fighting to define marriage?  I think the incredible increase in temples- besides being a blessing for far flung stakes of the church will prove to be like seeds planted in areas where the church will grow exponentially. 
   Not only did he come up with the temple film, but being in the audio-visual department of the church- he was instrumental in General Conference being televised and satelite broadcasted all over the world. His infuence can be felt in almost every department of the church and every area of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to your original premise- I too had similar thoughts but for a different reason. When I looked at the line up &#8211; this was during Bensons time- it looked to me like you had several older men and then you had Monson- I figured he would be the next one because he was younger and would be more vigorous.<br />
   Boy did Pres. Hinckley prove me wrong- and I think he\&#8217;s been way more then a careful administrator. Look at the Proclamation on the Family- who knew 9 or 10 years later we\&#8217;d be fighting to define marriage?  I think the incredible increase in temples- besides being a blessing for far flung stakes of the church will prove to be like seeds planted in areas where the church will grow exponentially.<br />
   Not only did he come up with the temple film, but being in the audio-visual department of the church- he was instrumental in General Conference being televised and satelite broadcasted all over the world. His infuence can be felt in almost every department of the church and every area of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell, you have been included as one of the many all around the globe who have responded to his death.

Go to the sltrib dot com site and add a forward slash with this behind it: ci_8105755 (sometimes your filter hasn&#039;t liked links, so I am trying it this way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, you have been included as one of the many all around the globe who have responded to his death.</p>
<p>Go to the sltrib dot com site and add a forward slash with this behind it: ci_8105755 (sometimes your filter hasn&#8217;t liked links, so I am trying it this way).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonovitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray and Russell (28 and 29), I have the feeling that Pres. Monson will do just fine with a from-scratch presidency.  After all, this isn&#039;t the first time he has stepped into roles of overwhelming responsibility with very little experience: he was the bishop of a large ward at age 22 (think of it, twenty-two!!), a mission president at age 32 (my chest caves at the thought of that responsibility), and an apostle (as in, one of the Twelve) at age 36.  

Plenty has been written about Pres. Hinckley&#039;s great and impressive expansion of the church (there was a lot to write about!). Pres. Hinckley is one of the great prophets to have ever lived.  He truly has accomplished more than many of his predecessors combined.  

It stands to reason that Pres. Monson will build on his good friend&#039;s foundation, and launch the church into places we have not yet dreamed of.  Pres. Monson, with a fresh First Presidency, years of top-leadership experience, and presumably many years of life left in him, could lead the church not through a similar expansion, but an explosion of growth and development.  

That said, my money is on Elder Eyring reprieving the role of counselor in the First Presidency.  Then again, Pres. Monson could go a completely different route, just to give T&amp;S another juicy topic to blog about.  :)  

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray and Russell (28 and 29), I have the feeling that Pres. Monson will do just fine with a from-scratch presidency.  After all, this isn&#8217;t the first time he has stepped into roles of overwhelming responsibility with very little experience: he was the bishop of a large ward at age 22 (think of it, twenty-two!!), a mission president at age 32 (my chest caves at the thought of that responsibility), and an apostle (as in, one of the Twelve) at age 36.  </p>
<p>Plenty has been written about Pres. Hinckley&#8217;s great and impressive expansion of the church (there was a lot to write about!). Pres. Hinckley is one of the great prophets to have ever lived.  He truly has accomplished more than many of his predecessors combined.  </p>
<p>It stands to reason that Pres. Monson will build on his good friend&#8217;s foundation, and launch the church into places we have not yet dreamed of.  Pres. Monson, with a fresh First Presidency, years of top-leadership experience, and presumably many years of life left in him, could lead the church not through a similar expansion, but an explosion of growth and development.  </p>
<p>That said, my money is on Elder Eyring reprieving the role of counselor in the First Presidency.  Then again, Pres. Monson could go a completely different route, just to give T&amp;S another juicy topic to blog about.  :)  </p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: cj douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>cj douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell, I think you&#039;re spot on.

In the April 2001 Conference, Pres. Hinckley relayed a favorable story about the church after the successful Salt Lake Olympics... 

&lt;em&gt;she concluded her story by writing: &quot;It is simply the mix of a serious and upright religion, of families who foster and insist upon providing the highest levels of culture right along with the highest modern technology, and of generally sensible organizing and governing. In short, it is a modern mix of the old America&quot; (&quot;Salt Lake City and State of Utah Reveal Themselves to the World,&quot; Salt Lake Tribune, 15 Feb. 2002, A15).&lt;/em&gt;

I remember at the time feeling that he was so proud of this article because it is what he embodied and what he saw (and hoped for) in all of us. In a sense, &lt;em&gt;he&lt;/em&gt; was &quot;a modern mix of the old America&quot; - industrious, thrifty, humble, optimistic, inventive, hopeful and enduring. What a life to look to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, I think you&#8217;re spot on.</p>
<p>In the April 2001 Conference, Pres. Hinckley relayed a favorable story about the church after the successful Salt Lake Olympics&#8230; </p>
<p><em>she concluded her story by writing: &#8220;It is simply the mix of a serious and upright religion, of families who foster and insist upon providing the highest levels of culture right along with the highest modern technology, and of generally sensible organizing and governing. In short, it is a modern mix of the old America&#8221; (&#8220;Salt Lake City and State of Utah Reveal Themselves to the World,&#8221; Salt Lake Tribune, 15 Feb. 2002, A15).</em></p>
<p>I remember at the time feeling that he was so proud of this article because it is what he embodied and what he saw (and hoped for) in all of us. In a sense, <em>he</em> was &#8220;a modern mix of the old America&#8221; &#8211; industrious, thrifty, humble, optimistic, inventive, hopeful and enduring. What a life to look to!</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m reminded of not hearing of Pres. Romney&#039;s death until a high councilor announced it sacrament meeting almost two weeks later.  Some things have changed since then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m reminded of not hearing of Pres. Romney&#8217;s death until a high councilor announced it sacrament meeting almost two weeks later.  Some things have changed since then.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that correction, John. (I&#039;m learning--or at least re-learning and/or remembering--at lot about the last generation or two of church history in this thread.) For some reason I thought Elder Romney stayed on as as first counselor in the First Presidency after President Kimball died; Elder Tanner was dead by then, and so all that was left by then of the brief three-counselor First Presidency under Kimball during his last years was Romney and Hinckley. I&#039;d forgotten that Romney--who was completely incapacitated by that point--was formally returned to the Quorum of the Twelve.

Well, anyway, so Hinckley and Monson--more than two decades of continuous service together in the church&#039;s highest council. A pretty impressive record--and pretty intimidating one for soon-to-be President Monson to contemplate stepping beyond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that correction, John. (I&#8217;m learning&#8211;or at least re-learning and/or remembering&#8211;at lot about the last generation or two of church history in this thread.) For some reason I thought Elder Romney stayed on as as first counselor in the First Presidency after President Kimball died; Elder Tanner was dead by then, and so all that was left by then of the brief three-counselor First Presidency under Kimball during his last years was Romney and Hinckley. I&#8217;d forgotten that Romney&#8211;who was completely incapacitated by that point&#8211;was formally returned to the Quorum of the Twelve.</p>
<p>Well, anyway, so Hinckley and Monson&#8211;more than two decades of continuous service together in the church&#8217;s highest council. A pretty impressive record&#8211;and pretty intimidating one for soon-to-be President Monson to contemplate stepping beyond.</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Close - 1985.  President Benson called Presidents Hinckley and Monson as his counselors when he became President of the Church.  President Romney became President of the Twelve at that time, with President Hunter as Acting President until President Romney died in 1989.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Close &#8211; 1985.  President Benson called Presidents Hinckley and Monson as his counselors when he became President of the Church.  President Romney became President of the Twelve at that time, with President Hunter as Acting President until President Romney died in 1989.</p>
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