Comments on: La Ville des Mormons http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/ Truth Will Prevail Thu, 24 May 2012 23:47:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pam W. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244140 Pam W. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 05:48:54 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244140 Ardis, Wilfried, thanks for the added perspective and the links! This has been a lot more fun than another Mitt post ... Ardis, Wilfried, thanks for the added perspective and the links! This has been a lot more fun than another Mitt post …

]]> By: Wilfried http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244115 Wilfried Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:34:52 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244115 And that wealthy segment had much of their elegance imported from... Paris. This was the era called "Belle époque"! The journalist writes: "These American girls are so pretty, decked out in their fashions straight from <strong>Worth, Redfern </strong>or <strong>Paquin</strong>! ... " Some background (internet sources) to get an idea: <em>"The Englishman <strong>Charles Worth</strong> had become a very successful designer in Paris. He was the first real fashion designer of the system called "haute couture". He employed well over 1000 employees working as seamstresses. He was the earliest designer to give two seasonal fashion shows and he started a trend we see today. " "The Englishman <strong>John Redfern</strong> started as a tailor and designer of sports clothes for women. In 1881 he established businesses in London and Paris, followed later by branches in Edinburgh and New York. His son Charles Poynter looked after his Paris salon. In 1888 he was appointed dressmaker to Queen Victoria. Redfern helped popularize the high-waisted so-called Grecian style of 1908. In 1916, he created the first women's uniform for the Red Cross." "The French lady Jeanne "<strong>Madame Paquin</strong>", trained in dressmaking at the famous Maison Maggy Rouff, opened her own Maison de Couture on the rue de la Paix in Paris, just next door to the house of Charles Worth. In 1898 she opened a couture house in London, following it with others in Buenos Aires, Madrid and a special shop for furs in New York. She was the first couturier to send mannequins to the (horse) races at Longchamps and Chantilly to show off her clothes. She also sent 12 girls to tour the major cities of America. "</em> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elizabeth_Drexel.jpg">See here </a> a fashionable lady in the 1900s. Or <a href="http://lecostumeatraverslessiecles.chez-alice.fr/Images/paquin/003.jpg">this one</a> from Madame Paquin. And the journalist concludes: "Joe and Selah, Harris, Mabel and Archie – they will all come to Paris after the wedding... " I presume our journalist did not spend his Salt Lake City days in an average household... Moreover, his choice had been determined in... Paris, with his "letter of introduction from a friend of my mother to an excellent American family living in Utah". And that wealthy segment had much of their elegance imported from… Paris. This was the era called “Belle époque”!

The journalist writes: “These American girls are so pretty, decked out in their fashions straight from Worth, Redfern or Paquin! … ”

Some background (internet sources) to get an idea:

“The Englishman Charles Worth had become a very successful designer in Paris. He was the first real fashion designer of the system called “haute couture”. He employed well over 1000 employees working as seamstresses. He was the earliest designer to give two seasonal fashion shows and he started a trend we see today. ”

“The Englishman John Redfern started as a tailor and designer of sports clothes for women. In 1881 he established businesses in London and Paris, followed later by branches in Edinburgh and New York. His son Charles Poynter looked after his Paris salon. In 1888 he was appointed dressmaker to Queen Victoria. Redfern helped popularize the high-waisted so-called Grecian style of 1908. In 1916, he created the first women’s uniform for the Red Cross.”

“The French lady Jeanne “Madame Paquin“, trained in dressmaking at the famous Maison Maggy Rouff, opened her own Maison de Couture on the rue de la Paix in Paris, just next door to the house of Charles Worth. In 1898 she opened a couture house in London, following it with others in Buenos Aires, Madrid and a special shop for furs in New York. She was the first couturier to send mannequins to the (horse) races at Longchamps and Chantilly to show off her clothes. She also sent 12 girls to tour the major cities of America. “

See here a fashionable lady in the 1900s. Or this one from Madame Paquin.

And the journalist concludes: “Joe and Selah, Harris, Mabel and Archie – they will all come to Paris after the wedding… ”

I presume our journalist did not spend his Salt Lake City days in an average household… Moreover, his choice had been determined in… Paris, with his “letter of introduction from a friend of my mother to an excellent American family living in Utah”.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244101 Ardis Parshall Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:00:51 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244101 Pam, by 1903 the wealthy segment of Salt Lake (think: east end of South Temple) was pretty darn wealthy -- and elegant. But then, d'Entraigues seems to have been in a mood to be pleased, doesn't he? Pam, by 1903 the wealthy segment of Salt Lake (think: east end of South Temple) was pretty darn wealthy — and elegant. But then, d’Entraigues seems to have been in a mood to be pleased, doesn’t he?

]]> By: Pam W. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244098 Pam W. Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:42:26 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244098 This was delightful! Thank you so much for posting it! I thought this line was interesting: "Nothing could be more charming than that home. I don’t speak of elegance – that is assumed in American life – " A Frenchman, admiring the elegance of life in the Western U.S.? This was delightful! Thank you so much for posting it! I thought this line was interesting:

“Nothing could be more charming than that home. I don’t speak of elegance – that is assumed in American life – ”

A Frenchman, admiring the elegance of life in the Western U.S.?

]]> By: Wilfried http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244075 Wilfried Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:57:40 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244075 East Coast’s daughter! Great to hear about your assignment on Jules Verne's chapter on the Mormons. It's interesting to note that Jules Verne, who took millions of readers to all the corners of the earth, to the dephts of the oceans and to the moon, never left Europe. So all he could do is use sources to describe the places visited by his imagined heroes. The items on Mormonism in his <em>Around the World in Eighty Days</em> are taken from a few limited French sources of the time of writing, which explains a lot... Also noteworthy is that Jules Verne, basically a pessimistic (and not too good) author had a hard time at first to find a publisher. It was Pierre-Jules Hetzel, famous publisher of Victor Hugo's novels, who gave Verne a chance, but he corrected much of Verne's writings, obliged him to rewrite chapters, and requested more humor. It explains why the French servant Passepartout was added to <em>Around the World in Eighty Days </em>-- for the comical element. And why the whole episode on Mormons -- meant to be comical -- centers around Passepartout. Phileas Fogg himself remains out of the picture. East Coast’s daughter! Great to hear about your assignment on Jules Verne’s chapter on the Mormons. It’s interesting to note that Jules Verne, who took millions of readers to all the corners of the earth, to the dephts of the oceans and to the moon, never left Europe. So all he could do is use sources to describe the places visited by his imagined heroes. The items on Mormonism in his Around the World in Eighty Days are taken from a few limited French sources of the time of writing, which explains a lot… Also noteworthy is that Jules Verne, basically a pessimistic (and not too good) author had a hard time at first to find a publisher. It was Pierre-Jules Hetzel, famous publisher of Victor Hugo’s novels, who gave Verne a chance, but he corrected much of Verne’s writings, obliged him to rewrite chapters, and requested more humor. It explains why the French servant Passepartout was added to Around the World in Eighty Days – for the comical element. And why the whole episode on Mormons — meant to be comical — centers around Passepartout. Phileas Fogg himself remains out of the picture.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244074 Ardis Parshall Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:56:32 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244074 Justin (19), I thought about it but haven't gotten further than the online newspapers, which could easily have a problem OCRing such a complicated name in the miniscule hotel registration columns. One of these days I'll pull the microfilms and check at least the dates he used in his article. It would be nice to find some trace of his presence, wouldn't it? Justin (19), I thought about it but haven’t gotten further than the online newspapers, which could easily have a problem OCRing such a complicated name in the miniscule hotel registration columns. One of these days I’ll pull the microfilms and check at least the dates he used in his article. It would be nice to find some trace of his presence, wouldn’t it?

]]> By: Justin http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244048 Justin Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:27:18 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244048 Okay. I was thinking that the number seemed way too large. Different question: have you looked for any newspaper mention of Jean D'E. having registered at the Kenyon? Okay. I was thinking that the number seemed way too large. Different question: have you looked for any newspaper mention of Jean D’E. having registered at the Kenyon?

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244047 Ardis Parshall Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:21:01 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244047 Justin, I don't think so. For one thing, 5,000 pairs of shoes a day would have provided a new pair of shoes for every Salt Laker every two weeks, year in and year out. I'm not aware that shoemaking on that scale for export has EVER gone on in Salt Lake. Justin, I don’t think so. For one thing, 5,000 pairs of shoes a day would have provided a new pair of shoes for every Salt Laker every two weeks, year in and year out. I’m not aware that shoemaking on that scale for export has EVER gone on in Salt Lake.

]]> By: Justin http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244044 Justin Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:11:39 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244044 "He owns one of the largest shoe manufacturing plants in the city." I wonder if this detail is valid. “He owns one of the largest shoe manufacturing plants in the city.” I wonder if this detail is valid.

]]> By: Ardis Parshall http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/12/la-ville-des-mormons/#comment-244042 Ardis Parshall Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:05:40 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4279#comment-244042 East Coast's daughter -- I'd love to read your report. If you're willing to send it to me, please write to me at AEParshall@aol.com. And congratulations for doing such a good job that you've become a model for the next class! East Coast’s daughter — I’d love to read your report. If you’re willing to send it to me, please write to me at AEParshall@aol.com. And congratulations for doing such a good job that you’ve become a model for the next class!

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