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		<title>By: MSG</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-243012</link>
		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  I hope someone will tell me that SLC is working on the problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  I hope someone will tell me that SLC is working on the problem!</p>
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		<title>By: MSG</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-243011</link>
		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m attempting a light-hearted comment here after reading the many posts and threads concerning when to have children, how many children to have, is it ever correct not to have children,  when is it okay to stop having children, what does &#039;delaying&#039; children really mean, etc...and I was recently in SLC where the sight and density of the dark air pollution hanging in the valley alarmed me.
I had the thought that no child should be breathing this--it was that bad.  Sometimes we get very caught up in how many children, or when to have them, etc. when we should also be thinking of the importance of their physical environment --making it healthy for them to live in it---no matter how many we have or when, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m attempting a light-hearted comment here after reading the many posts and threads concerning when to have children, how many children to have, is it ever correct not to have children,  when is it okay to stop having children, what does &#8216;delaying&#8217; children really mean, etc&#8230;and I was recently in SLC where the sight and density of the dark air pollution hanging in the valley alarmed me.<br />
I had the thought that no child should be breathing this&#8211;it was that bad.  Sometimes we get very caught up in how many children, or when to have them, etc. when we should also be thinking of the importance of their physical environment &#8211;making it healthy for them to live in it&#8212;no matter how many we have or when, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242992</link>
		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But none of that excuses my own behavior.  My apologies.  Adam, we may not agree on everything, but that didn&#039;t keep us from being friends in the past.  I&#039;m going to try much harder to be civil here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But none of that excuses my own behavior.  My apologies.  Adam, we may not agree on everything, but that didn&#8217;t keep us from being friends in the past.  I&#8217;m going to try much harder to be civil here.</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242985</link>
		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So his comment #102 wasn&#039;t out of line?  He has gone after me in the past for marrying so &quot;late&quot;.  He did imply that Sister Beck, if given the time, would have said she didn&#039;t bear enough children herself and implied that my wife and I have been less than obedient because we don&#039;t have children as of yet.

And he most certainly has implied that everyone in the Church should reach the benchmarks my brother-in-law did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So his comment #102 wasn&#8217;t out of line?  He has gone after me in the past for marrying so &#8220;late&#8221;.  He did imply that Sister Beck, if given the time, would have said she didn&#8217;t bear enough children herself and implied that my wife and I have been less than obedient because we don&#8217;t have children as of yet.</p>
<p>And he most certainly has implied that everyone in the Church should reach the benchmarks my brother-in-law did.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242977</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi,

I&#039;m just a wee bit annoyed that you didn&#039;t think my comment was clever too.  I mean, &quot;compatriots&quot; was easy but &quot;receptive&quot; took me a while, since I was feeling a bit coltish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just a wee bit annoyed that you didn&#8217;t think my comment was clever too.  I mean, &#8220;compatriots&#8221; was easy but &#8220;receptive&#8221; took me a while, since I was feeling a bit coltish.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi Wenger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242972</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi Wenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Taber,

You&#039;re way out of line, buddy.  You&#039;ve clearly had some negative run-ins with various members over time.  That&#039;s no reason to tell Adam G. that you know &quot;members like you&quot; or &quot;your type&quot; and then suggesting that members of Adam&#039;s &quot;type&quot; are guilty of all sorts of problematic behavior.  

If Adam G. has said anything similar to your rant in 103, please point it out.  Trust me, it&#039;s not all that hard to criticize Adam G. for things he actually says.  I do this all the time.  (grin)  

Otherwise, let&#039;s keep the discussion to actual statements made by actual people.  There&#039;s really no need to impute to Adam the views of every overbearing ward member with whom you&#039;ve ever had a run-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Taber,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re way out of line, buddy.  You&#8217;ve clearly had some negative run-ins with various members over time.  That&#8217;s no reason to tell Adam G. that you know &#8220;members like you&#8221; or &#8220;your type&#8221; and then suggesting that members of Adam&#8217;s &#8220;type&#8221; are guilty of all sorts of problematic behavior.  </p>
<p>If Adam G. has said anything similar to your rant in 103, please point it out.  Trust me, it&#8217;s not all that hard to criticize Adam G. for things he actually says.  I do this all the time.  (grin)  </p>
<p>Otherwise, let&#8217;s keep the discussion to actual statements made by actual people.  There&#8217;s really no need to impute to Adam the views of every overbearing ward member with whom you&#8217;ve ever had a run-in.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi Wenger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242967</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi Wenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Mark B.  There seem to be more of those, too.  

Interesting that one of the first responses is apparent vandalism.  (Clever, sure, but nonetheless vandalism.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Mark B.  There seem to be more of those, too.  </p>
<p>Interesting that one of the first responses is apparent vandalism.  (Clever, sure, but nonetheless vandalism.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242957</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi&#039;s link in the sidebar to the FAQs on whatwomenknow.com led me again to the list of persons who had signed their screed.

I was interested to note that one Thomas Edward Brady of Boston, Massachusetts, and a Marvin Harrison of Indianapolis, Indiana, had both signed on as &quot;Men Who Support What Women Know.&quot;  

I&#039;m hopeful that more of Mr. Brady&#039;s compatriots will sign up soon.  And, who knows, some of Mr. Harrison&#039;s friends will be just as receptive to What Women Know as he seems to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi&#8217;s link in the sidebar to the FAQs on whatwomenknow.com led me again to the list of persons who had signed their screed.</p>
<p>I was interested to note that one Thomas Edward Brady of Boston, Massachusetts, and a Marvin Harrison of Indianapolis, Indiana, had both signed on as &#8220;Men Who Support What Women Know.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m hopeful that more of Mr. Brady&#8217;s compatriots will sign up soon.  And, who knows, some of Mr. Harrison&#8217;s friends will be just as receptive to What Women Know as he seems to be.</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242817</link>
		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about.

My brother-in-law went on a mission at 19 when he wasn&#039;t ready, married at 22 when he wasn&#039;t ready, and had a son at 24 when he wasn&#039;t ready.  (He is now 34 and just got his third divorce.)  If you had your way, he would have been excommunicated had he not met even one of those benchmarks.

I know your type - the type that says I would have been better off marrying a pregnant girlfriend at 18 than serving an honorable mission but not marrying for more than ten years after, even if it was in the temple.  You don&#039;t know how many times I got that, even from leaders.  But not one bishop or stake president along the way ever even threatened to deny me a temple recommend just because I was single, or &quot;not dating enough&quot;.  Nor have they asked rude questions to Alisa or me about birth control.  (That&#039;s something my mother was subjected to  - in temple recommend interviews - back in the 1970s.  During that time she had four children in five and a half years.  I suppose when you&#039;re bishop those questions will be routine.)

Build your own Mormon equivalent of Ave Maria, Florida if you want to where contraceptives are banned.  Don&#039;t condemn those of us who won&#039;t join you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>My brother-in-law went on a mission at 19 when he wasn&#8217;t ready, married at 22 when he wasn&#8217;t ready, and had a son at 24 when he wasn&#8217;t ready.  (He is now 34 and just got his third divorce.)  If you had your way, he would have been excommunicated had he not met even one of those benchmarks.</p>
<p>I know your type &#8211; the type that says I would have been better off marrying a pregnant girlfriend at 18 than serving an honorable mission but not marrying for more than ten years after, even if it was in the temple.  You don&#8217;t know how many times I got that, even from leaders.  But not one bishop or stake president along the way ever even threatened to deny me a temple recommend just because I was single, or &#8220;not dating enough&#8221;.  Nor have they asked rude questions to Alisa or me about birth control.  (That&#8217;s something my mother was subjected to  &#8211; in temple recommend interviews &#8211; back in the 1970s.  During that time she had four children in five and a half years.  I suppose when you&#8217;re bishop those questions will be routine.)</p>
<p>Build your own Mormon equivalent of Ave Maria, Florida if you want to where contraceptives are banned.  Don&#8217;t condemn those of us who won&#8217;t join you there.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/11/three-statements/#comment-242793</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #98: Feel free to call it unrighteous dominion when I show up at your home with a turkey baster.  Until then you&#039;re just huffy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #98: Feel free to call it unrighteous dominion when I show up at your home with a turkey baster.  Until then you&#8217;re just huffy.</p>
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