Comments on: Doors in the Wall http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/ Truth Will Prevail Thu, 24 May 2012 19:37:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jim Morrison http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232762 Jim Morrison Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:16:31 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232762 Like Rumsfeld, I believe in a long, prolonged, derangement of the senses in order to obtain the unknown. Like Rumsfeld, I believe in a long, prolonged, derangement of the senses in order to obtain the unknown.

]]> By: Kyle R http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232758 Kyle R Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:57:11 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232758 # 51 Adam, this notion - for me - is linked to 'agency'. Free agency is most often discussed as choice of action in the physical realm, but there is obviously also freedom to choose one's 'state of being'. Let's say the 'free agency' that God grants is in some way absolute. One could in that case choose to know or not know the 'spirit'. One could choose the 'state of being' where matter/spirit flux is relentlessly determined and the exigencies of matter dominate ('the natural man'). This would be analagous to ceasing to function except according to classical physics and measuring oneself as a mere particle than as a possible wave. This would be the human being in 'solid state', where spirit and spiritual possibilities are banished. They're effectively not there because of the true extent of free agency. The chooser's own choice of 'state' fixes the flux at points where spirit is not. # 51 Adam, this notion – for me – is linked to ‘agency’. Free agency is most often discussed as choice of action in the physical realm, but there is obviously also freedom to choose one’s ‘state of being’. Let’s say the ‘free agency’ that God grants is in some way absolute. One could in that case choose to know or not know the ‘spirit’. One could choose the ‘state of being’ where matter/spirit flux is relentlessly determined and the exigencies of matter dominate (‘the natural man’). This would be analagous to ceasing to function except according to classical physics and measuring oneself as a mere particle than as a possible wave. This would be the human being in ‘solid state’, where spirit and spiritual possibilities are banished. They’re effectively not there because of the true extent of free agency. The chooser’s own choice of ‘state’ fixes the flux at points where spirit is not.

]]> By: Kyle R http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232757 Kyle R Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:56:22 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232757 Lizard King and Kathryn, the leather pants sound like what Rumsfeld referred to as the "known unknowns". Lizard King and Kathryn, the leather pants sound like what Rumsfeld referred to as the “known unknowns”.

]]> By: Jim Morrison http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232751 Jim Morrison Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:32:59 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232751 Do I still fit into my leather pants? I am the lizard king. I can do anything. Do I still fit into my leather pants?

I am the lizard king. I can do anything.

]]> By: Kathryn Lynard Soper http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232749 Kathryn Lynard Soper Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:25:07 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232749 Jim. I KNEW you were still alive! Everyone called me crazy, but I didn't care. Do you still fit into your leather pants? Jim. I KNEW you were still alive! Everyone called me crazy, but I didn’t care.

Do you still fit into your leather pants?

]]> By: Jim Morrison http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232747 Jim Morrison Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:55:19 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232747 There are things known, and there are things unknown, and in between are the Doors. There are things known, and there are things unknown, and in between are the Doors.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232746 Adam Greenwood Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:46:14 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232746 <i>Tribal Animism and religions such as Shinto veer close to this notion.</i> I don't know that Joseph Smith ever taught this (though he did teach that animals were ensouled) but in the Utah period panpsychism became a fairly popular position among Mormons and still is. <i>As in quantum physics, the spirit is only ever really there in a meaningful way when our attention and energy is directed towards it. If we aren’t attuned to it, it somehow isn’t there. (Which is perhaps a more technical explanation of how Christ can be a ‘light shinining in the darkness but the darkness comprehendeth it not” D&C 6:21 )</i> That is an extremely fascinating notion. Tribal Animism and religions such as Shinto veer close to this notion.

I don’t know that Joseph Smith ever taught this (though he did teach that animals were ensouled) but in the Utah period panpsychism became a fairly popular position among Mormons and still is.

As in quantum physics, the spirit is only ever really there in a meaningful way when our attention and energy is directed towards it. If we aren’t attuned to it, it somehow isn’t there. (Which is perhaps a more technical explanation of how Christ can be a ‘light shinining in the darkness but the darkness comprehendeth it not” D&C 6:21 )

That is an extremely fascinating notion.

]]> By: Kyle R http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232744 Kyle R Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:39:35 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232744 *Laughs* I've put Joseph Smith in the short-list of thinkers I'm interested in - along with Fyodor Dostoevsky, Carl Jung, Emile-Auguste Chartier, Georg Cantor and Gaston Bachelard. That's about as much a leap of faith as you'll get from me I'm afraid Kathryn. I converted to T.S. Eliot's 'Four Quartets' a long time ago. *Laughs* I’ve put Joseph Smith in the short-list of thinkers I’m interested in – along with Fyodor Dostoevsky, Carl Jung, Emile-Auguste Chartier, Georg Cantor and Gaston Bachelard. That’s about as much a leap of faith as you’ll get from me I’m afraid Kathryn.

I converted to T.S. Eliot’s ‘Four Quartets’ a long time ago.

]]> By: Kathryn Lynard Soper http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232733 Kathryn Lynard Soper Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:09:50 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232733 Bookslinger, great observations. It seems the reducing valve gets less and less effective the closer people are to birth and death (and insanity, for that matter). Huxley talks about how the same data that slips past the filter can be euphoric or terrifying, depending on a number of variables. The companion volume to <i>The Doors of Perception</i> is called --it elaborates on this dichotomy. Kyle, I'm impressed with your grasp of Mormon theology. When are you gonna convert? *smile* Bookslinger, great observations. It seems the reducing valve gets less and less effective the closer people are to birth and death (and insanity, for that matter). Huxley talks about how the same data that slips past the filter can be euphoric or terrifying, depending on a number of variables. The companion volume to The Doors of Perception is called –it elaborates on this dichotomy.

Kyle, I’m impressed with your grasp of Mormon theology. When are you gonna convert? *smile*

]]> By: Kyle R http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/08/doors-in-the-wall/#comment-232617 Kyle R Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:41:11 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4041#comment-232617 # 37 Rand, beg pardon for my getting your name mixed up. # 37 Rand, beg pardon for my getting your name mixed up.

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