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		<title>By: bbell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226403</link>
		<dc:creator>bbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John comon baby.

Quit making fun of my Mens Warehouse custom made lavender shirt and matching tie.  The collar is not button down my friend.  The manager of the store picked the color and the matching tie.  

Just for you I am going to teach either GD or EQ in it soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John comon baby.</p>
<p>Quit making fun of my Mens Warehouse custom made lavender shirt and matching tie.  The collar is not button down my friend.  The manager of the store picked the color and the matching tie.  </p>
<p>Just for you I am going to teach either GD or EQ in it soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226400</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

So the gays know how to dress.

If gays also paid their taxes, would you oppose that too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>So the gays know how to dress.</p>
<p>If gays also paid their taxes, would you oppose that too?</p>
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		<title>By: jjohnsen</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226398</link>
		<dc:creator>jjohnsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty easy to look sophisticated and stylish using shirts of different colors.  Pick up an issue of GQ, whenever they have a suit section white shirts are usually a very small part of it.  The key is to find colors that match your complexion and not try to use a tie that is just &#039;too much&#039;.  My mustard shirt, dark grey suit and simple tie beats the white shirt/bright paisley tie I see everywhere in my ward every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty easy to look sophisticated and stylish using shirts of different colors.  Pick up an issue of GQ, whenever they have a suit section white shirts are usually a very small part of it.  The key is to find colors that match your complexion and not try to use a tie that is just &#8216;too much&#8217;.  My mustard shirt, dark grey suit and simple tie beats the white shirt/bright paisley tie I see everywhere in my ward every time.</p>
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		<title>By: John Williams</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226275</link>
		<dc:creator>John Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many a GA has stated that the uniform of the priesthood is a white shirt and tie. JUST CONFORM, FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE!&quot;

Don&#039;t be afraid to go against the grain, but don&#039;t be afraid to conform if the conformists are right.  


&quot;FYI, I wasnâ€™t intending any kind of commentary on church appropriate attire.&quot;

Meg, I think you have already revealed your true &quot;colors&quot; with regards to church appropriate attire.


&quot;But in more metropolitan settings [button-down] tends to look a bit dowdy.&quot;

Seth R., I don&#039;t know what sorts of dance clubs you frequent when you hit the big cities, but it&#039;s a good rule of thumb that if the dudes there are wearing lavender shirts with collars that are not buttoned-down, you probably want to get out of there fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many a GA has stated that the uniform of the priesthood is a white shirt and tie. JUST CONFORM, FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE!&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid to go against the grain, but don&#8217;t be afraid to conform if the conformists are right.  </p>
<p>&#8220;FYI, I wasnâ€™t intending any kind of commentary on church appropriate attire.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meg, I think you have already revealed your true &#8220;colors&#8221; with regards to church appropriate attire.</p>
<p>&#8220;But in more metropolitan settings [button-down] tends to look a bit dowdy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seth R., I don&#8217;t know what sorts of dance clubs you frequent when you hit the big cities, but it&#8217;s a good rule of thumb that if the dudes there are wearing lavender shirts with collars that are not buttoned-down, you probably want to get out of there fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226274</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White shirts are nice when you&#039;re trying to project an image of power. But that only really works when you&#039;re using a good conservative suit with it. Stark contrast suggests power and white will generally produce that. There&#039;s nothing wrong with white. Even the guys at GQ are big fans and most of their wardrobe essentials lists include one or two white shirts. But that doesn&#039;t mean that Mormons are doing it right.

John, if you want to convey an image of sophistication, button-down is generally a bad idea. It works for more conservative business communities - in the midwest for instance. But in more metropolitan settings it tends to look a bit dowdy.

Avoid black unless you got the ammunition to back it up.

The choice of color shirt depends on your complexion. If you&#039;ve got a darker skin tone, you should forgo the brighter pastels and select richer and darker colors. However, if you have a whiter complexion - i.e. you don&#039;t &quot;tan&quot; - you &quot;pink&quot; - then pastels are a good choice.

A solid color tie tends to send a serious image (unless it&#039;s an unfortunate skinny-tie you bought in the 1980s), but might be a bit much for the friendlier atmosphere of Sunday worship. Understated patterns can break things up a bit and make you more approachable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White shirts are nice when you&#8217;re trying to project an image of power. But that only really works when you&#8217;re using a good conservative suit with it. Stark contrast suggests power and white will generally produce that. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with white. Even the guys at GQ are big fans and most of their wardrobe essentials lists include one or two white shirts. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that Mormons are doing it right.</p>
<p>John, if you want to convey an image of sophistication, button-down is generally a bad idea. It works for more conservative business communities &#8211; in the midwest for instance. But in more metropolitan settings it tends to look a bit dowdy.</p>
<p>Avoid black unless you got the ammunition to back it up.</p>
<p>The choice of color shirt depends on your complexion. If you&#8217;ve got a darker skin tone, you should forgo the brighter pastels and select richer and darker colors. However, if you have a whiter complexion &#8211; i.e. you don&#8217;t &#8220;tan&#8221; &#8211; you &#8220;pink&#8221; &#8211; then pastels are a good choice.</p>
<p>A solid color tie tends to send a serious image (unless it&#8217;s an unfortunate skinny-tie you bought in the 1980s), but might be a bit much for the friendlier atmosphere of Sunday worship. Understated patterns can break things up a bit and make you more approachable.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226272</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, I wasn&#039;t intending any kind of commentary on church appropriate attire.  I was negating what John Williams said about white shirts being more fashionable.  They aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, I wasn&#8217;t intending any kind of commentary on church appropriate attire.  I was negating what John Williams said about white shirts being more fashionable.  They aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: reformed banker</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226263</link>
		<dc:creator>reformed banker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  #12  \&quot;Colored shirts simply look better (and nicer) MOST of the time. They stand out, and barring any hideously mismatched ties or poor color choices (or just plain ugly shirts), generally in a good, that-person-is-well-dressed kind of way.

Forgive my lack of HTML skills, but the first part of the second sentence is exactly why the practice of wearing colored shirts is wrong.  We don\&#039;t go to church to \&quot;stand out.\&quot;  We go to church to partake of the sacrament and worship the Lord.  Anything that detracts from this purpose is incorrect (ie., musical performances of EFY\&#039;s greatest hits).  Many a GA has stated that the uniform of the priesthood is a white shirt and tie.  JUST CONFORM, FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #12  \&#8221;Colored shirts simply look better (and nicer) MOST of the time. They stand out, and barring any hideously mismatched ties or poor color choices (or just plain ugly shirts), generally in a good, that-person-is-well-dressed kind of way.</p>
<p>Forgive my lack of HTML skills, but the first part of the second sentence is exactly why the practice of wearing colored shirts is wrong.  We don\&#8217;t go to church to \&#8221;stand out.\&#8221;  We go to church to partake of the sacrament and worship the Lord.  Anything that detracts from this purpose is incorrect (ie., musical performances of EFY\&#8217;s greatest hits).  Many a GA has stated that the uniform of the priesthood is a white shirt and tie.  JUST CONFORM, FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE!</p>
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		<title>By: bbell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226228</link>
		<dc:creator>bbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Meg,

Your Dad does look good on Sunday in his colored shirts and matching suits.  I have actually noticed.  His dark blue shirt and grayish suit is my favorite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Meg,</p>
<p>Your Dad does look good on Sunday in his colored shirts and matching suits.  I have actually noticed.  His dark blue shirt and grayish suit is my favorite</p>
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		<title>By: plover</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226223</link>
		<dc:creator>plover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the interaction between the \&quot;parts\&quot; I choose and the actions that follow intriguing.  As I was reading your tribute to your mother and father it reminded me of how the work/part we do shapes our thinking and perspective.
When I was going to school and working my husband and I shared home duties in pretty equitable ways. I was amazed at how the home work was reshaping his thinking.  In conversations he would say something like:  \&quot;I\&#039;ve been thinking about the children and I think they would like a wading pool for Christmas.\&quot;  In the past, Christmas gifts had been my domain.

Then, once when my daughter was tired of my being gone so much (and probably tired of my being tired), she said that she wanted her mama.  My husband said: \&quot;Well, I\&#039;m the boy-mama.\&quot; There is truth to it. He was no longer thinking as someone who left in the morning and came home at night.  He was thinking as someone who spent lots of time with the children. He acted/did his part well, put his heart and soul into it; and because of that he saw things in different ways. He became.

While I don\&#039;t think labels are very effective, examining the part people choose to follow and act on can sometimes allow me to open up my understanding of their choices.  The choices that President Bush has made regarding Iraq are not surprising considering his work was in oil.  It would be very difficult for him to think other than an oil man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the interaction between the \&#8221;parts\&#8221; I choose and the actions that follow intriguing.  As I was reading your tribute to your mother and father it reminded me of how the work/part we do shapes our thinking and perspective.<br />
When I was going to school and working my husband and I shared home duties in pretty equitable ways. I was amazed at how the home work was reshaping his thinking.  In conversations he would say something like:  \&#8221;I\&#8217;ve been thinking about the children and I think they would like a wading pool for Christmas.\&#8221;  In the past, Christmas gifts had been my domain.</p>
<p>Then, once when my daughter was tired of my being gone so much (and probably tired of my being tired), she said that she wanted her mama.  My husband said: \&#8221;Well, I\&#8217;m the boy-mama.\&#8221; There is truth to it. He was no longer thinking as someone who left in the morning and came home at night.  He was thinking as someone who spent lots of time with the children. He acted/did his part well, put his heart and soul into it; and because of that he saw things in different ways. He became.</p>
<p>While I don\&#8217;t think labels are very effective, examining the part people choose to follow and act on can sometimes allow me to open up my understanding of their choices.  The choices that President Bush has made regarding Iraq are not surprising considering his work was in oil.  It would be very difficult for him to think other than an oil man.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/06/art-and-part/#comment-226214</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The original intention of the text was probably to reinforce class identity â€” remind people of their place and encourage good behaviour within those constraints.&lt;/i&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t doubt that the phrase had a much more explicit and hierarchically-bound meaning, Norbert, in the context in which it was first given. But I don&#039;t think that robs the principle of recognizing the constraints of one&#039;s place (in a community, a family, etc.) and seeking the good within such of all its force. Frankly, I think Kaimi makes the issue of knowing what one &quot;art&quot; far more existentially weighted than it should or needs be. President McKay&#039;s slogan is central my own understanding of and tribute to my parents on their 40th anniversary (from two years ago, found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2386&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), and I stand by that reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The original intention of the text was probably to reinforce class identity â€” remind people of their place and encourage good behaviour within those constraints.</i></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t doubt that the phrase had a much more explicit and hierarchically-bound meaning, Norbert, in the context in which it was first given. But I don&#8217;t think that robs the principle of recognizing the constraints of one&#8217;s place (in a community, a family, etc.) and seeking the good within such of all its force. Frankly, I think Kaimi makes the issue of knowing what one &#8220;art&#8221; far more existentially weighted than it should or needs be. President McKay&#8217;s slogan is central my own understanding of and tribute to my parents on their 40th anniversary (from two years ago, found <a href="http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2386" rel="nofollow">here</a>), and I stand by that reading.</p>
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