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	<title>Comments on: The Stake Conference Experience</title>
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		<title>By: M.R.P.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-225058</link>
		<dc:creator>M.R.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 04:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an avid fan of conference, and ANYthing that\&#039;s satallite broadcasted from that building. I\&#039;ve been to the building on many many occasions, whether for conference, or for other broadcasts, I also am familiar with the rigerous schedule of the brotheren, and also with the many newly formed aspects of church business. I just finished taking a technical tour of the LDS Conference Center last Wendsday, and I felt it appropriate to let you know something that I\&#039;ve noticed from all of these things: 
-Yes, stake conferences are live even when Elder Bednar is speaking from a pulpit in Utah. It\&#039;s broadcasted from a special room set apart for this purpose soley. Because of the vigerous schedules of the bretheren, and the many many tasks and duties that they respond to on a daily basis, it is very difficult to be able to commonly leave for a stake conference. They are busy fulfilling the the callings they\&#039;ve been given by the Lord, for the benefit of serving us and building up the kingdom of the Lord. They serve within the church (obviously) to plan for church meetinghouses, stake centers, temples, etc. They serve to attend to all church matters including maintaining local facilities and leadership including Bishops, stake presidents, mission presidents, temple presidents, etc. They meet with finincial, legal, and real estate advisors to keep watch over the steady roll of church business. They meet daily in the temple to recieve inspired counsel from the Lord on how to better lead the saints. There is not a minute in their day that I think they waste, there is not a penny of money that is not ultimately accounted for, and there is not a single person even living in no-wheres-ville Nebraska (No I\&#039;m not bias, I spent the last 18 years of my life living in no-wheres-ville- WI) that the overhead of our church (The Lord, and his Prophet and Apostles) does not care for, and attend to. Whether it\&#039;s by prayer, visit, or satellite broadcast, those men serve us as Valient, Righteous Servants Chosen by the Lord, the person that we all claim that we want to follow, so why not spend a little less effort complaining about issues that hurt your pride, and a little more effort supporting the Lords representatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an avid fan of conference, and ANYthing that\&#8217;s satallite broadcasted from that building. I\&#8217;ve been to the building on many many occasions, whether for conference, or for other broadcasts, I also am familiar with the rigerous schedule of the brotheren, and also with the many newly formed aspects of church business. I just finished taking a technical tour of the LDS Conference Center last Wendsday, and I felt it appropriate to let you know something that I\&#8217;ve noticed from all of these things:<br />
-Yes, stake conferences are live even when Elder Bednar is speaking from a pulpit in Utah. It\&#8217;s broadcasted from a special room set apart for this purpose soley. Because of the vigerous schedules of the bretheren, and the many many tasks and duties that they respond to on a daily basis, it is very difficult to be able to commonly leave for a stake conference. They are busy fulfilling the the callings they\&#8217;ve been given by the Lord, for the benefit of serving us and building up the kingdom of the Lord. They serve within the church (obviously) to plan for church meetinghouses, stake centers, temples, etc. They serve to attend to all church matters including maintaining local facilities and leadership including Bishops, stake presidents, mission presidents, temple presidents, etc. They meet with finincial, legal, and real estate advisors to keep watch over the steady roll of church business. They meet daily in the temple to recieve inspired counsel from the Lord on how to better lead the saints. There is not a minute in their day that I think they waste, there is not a penny of money that is not ultimately accounted for, and there is not a single person even living in no-wheres-ville Nebraska (No I\&#8217;m not bias, I spent the last 18 years of my life living in no-wheres-ville- WI) that the overhead of our church (The Lord, and his Prophet and Apostles) does not care for, and attend to. Whether it\&#8217;s by prayer, visit, or satellite broadcast, those men serve us as Valient, Righteous Servants Chosen by the Lord, the person that we all claim that we want to follow, so why not spend a little less effort complaining about issues that hurt your pride, and a little more effort supporting the Lords representatives.</p>
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		<title>By: J.A.T.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-222195</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAF-
Yep, howdy neighbor! I&#039;m in the TPK stake, but have been in the SAL and Derby as well. (Drat . . . my anonymity is crumbling : ) We used to drive 30 minutes to church, and our VT/ HT routes stretch up to Nebraska and down to Council Grove. I&#039;ve been researching late 19thC LDS settlements in this area and tracing history and artifacts. I&#039;m glad that we&#039;re bringing Oz into the bloggernacle! 

#72 The Monk-- I don&#039;t think you understand how unique your experiences were and how much of an anomaly you are for having had them. Private jets, underground tunnels, celebrity status, body guards, elderly health and immunity problems, personal attendants, traveling entourages, busy schedules, the church office building, introverted personalities, and a surprisingly small (and geographically limited) circle of family and acquaintances really put a damper on rubbing shoulders with the common folk. 

One more thing: about 10+ or so yrs ago, there was an Auxillary regional women&#039;s conference out here in the midwest. Some of the YW, Primary and RS Presidencies flew out and we drove for hours to see them. There were leadership training sessions, messages from the presidencies, testimony meetings, luncheons, choirs, art exhibits, plays, service projects, etc. (We had been doing a lot of work at the time with the RS&#039;s literacy program.) One of the &quot;sessions&quot; was a Q &amp; A time, in which the RS presidency took questions from the peanut gallery and also ASKED questions about the status of the auxillaries and programs. They asked us &quot;what can we do to support you&quot; and we asked them the same q in return. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL! Everyone learned a great deal!  The auxillary GA presidencies all said that they were excited to bring some of our ideas and input back to SL to the brethren. By the end of our Q&amp;A, we had built a repore of sorts and in the spirit of listening and asking. We very respectfully asked about some of the bloggernacle type connundrums.  That led to a lot of &quot;ummm&quot;s. I haven&#039;t seen the Q&amp;A time used very much at all before or since, which I think is a pity, b/c we need it, &quot;umm&quot;s and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAF-<br />
Yep, howdy neighbor! I&#8217;m in the TPK stake, but have been in the SAL and Derby as well. (Drat . . . my anonymity is crumbling : ) We used to drive 30 minutes to church, and our VT/ HT routes stretch up to Nebraska and down to Council Grove. I&#8217;ve been researching late 19thC LDS settlements in this area and tracing history and artifacts. I&#8217;m glad that we&#8217;re bringing Oz into the bloggernacle! </p>
<p>#72 The Monk&#8211; I don&#8217;t think you understand how unique your experiences were and how much of an anomaly you are for having had them. Private jets, underground tunnels, celebrity status, body guards, elderly health and immunity problems, personal attendants, traveling entourages, busy schedules, the church office building, introverted personalities, and a surprisingly small (and geographically limited) circle of family and acquaintances really put a damper on rubbing shoulders with the common folk. </p>
<p>One more thing: about 10+ or so yrs ago, there was an Auxillary regional women&#8217;s conference out here in the midwest. Some of the YW, Primary and RS Presidencies flew out and we drove for hours to see them. There were leadership training sessions, messages from the presidencies, testimony meetings, luncheons, choirs, art exhibits, plays, service projects, etc. (We had been doing a lot of work at the time with the RS&#8217;s literacy program.) One of the &#8220;sessions&#8221; was a Q &amp; A time, in which the RS presidency took questions from the peanut gallery and also ASKED questions about the status of the auxillaries and programs. They asked us &#8220;what can we do to support you&#8221; and we asked them the same q in return. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL! Everyone learned a great deal!  The auxillary GA presidencies all said that they were excited to bring some of our ideas and input back to SL to the brethren. By the end of our Q&amp;A, we had built a repore of sorts and in the spirit of listening and asking. We very respectfully asked about some of the bloggernacle type connundrums.  That led to a lot of &#8220;ummm&#8221;s. I haven&#8217;t seen the Q&amp;A time used very much at all before or since, which I think is a pity, b/c we need it, &#8220;umm&#8221;s and all.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Chick</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-222059</link>
		<dc:creator>Space Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, deferred HCMs download the audio off the church site and listen to it on the mp3 player later.

D Fletcher, you just described Sunday School for us on Easter--a video of each Apostle discussing some aspect of his testimony.  Worked great while they were talking about Christ, but it totally lost me once the focus shifted to the Restoration.  It&#039;s Easter--let&#039;s talk about the Savior instead of Joseph.

We skipped this &quot;stake conference&quot; broadcast--driving 2 hours to watch a broadcast from SLC that isn&#039;t local?  No way.  Someone on the web will post the transcript.  In fact, I think RAF effectively covered it for me.  The idea of actually driving to Fargo (3 hours one way) for this nonsense is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, deferred HCMs download the audio off the church site and listen to it on the mp3 player later.</p>
<p>D Fletcher, you just described Sunday School for us on Easter&#8211;a video of each Apostle discussing some aspect of his testimony.  Worked great while they were talking about Christ, but it totally lost me once the focus shifted to the Restoration.  It&#8217;s Easter&#8211;let&#8217;s talk about the Savior instead of Joseph.</p>
<p>We skipped this &#8220;stake conference&#8221; broadcast&#8211;driving 2 hours to watch a broadcast from SLC that isn&#8217;t local?  No way.  Someone on the web will post the transcript.  In fact, I think RAF effectively covered it for me.  The idea of actually driving to Fargo (3 hours one way) for this nonsense is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late comment from a not very faithful follower of T&amp;S butâ€¦.

Many years ago Salt Lake Tribune humorist Robert Kirby proposed a classification system of Mormons based on their behavior at conference time. I remember it like this:

I.	Square Conference Mormons (SCM)
a.	Indoors 
b.	Outdoors

II.	Home Conference Mormons  (HCM)
a.	Strict 
b.	Causal
c.	Desultatory
d.	Deferred

III.	Other

SCMâ€™s go to Temple square. Those who arrive early, get in and sit on hard benches with no leg room and witness in person our GAâ€™s speak from a distance. Those who arrive later recline on the lawn and listen to the talks broadcast on loud speakers while they picnic. (It usually snows on conference weekend.) Some would go to other assembly halls and listen as the technology to do so emerged. Today the new Hinckley Conference Center with the free tickets renders this portion of the classification scheme completely obsolete. (SCM now means Supernacle Conference Mormons?)

HCMâ€™s stay home and watch conference on TV or listened to it on the radio in a previous generation. Strict HCMâ€™s borrow metal chairs from the nearby ward house and sit in rows reverently dressed in Sunday best. Full participation is required; heads bowed and eyes closed during prayers, stand and sing during hymns, no comments or other disruptions allowed. Causal HCMâ€™s are up and dressed and lounge on comfortable furniture and eat a snack. Breaks to the kitchen or bathroom during hymns are allowed but quiet is expected during prayers. Children play on the rug in front of the TV and may run off for awhile when bored. Some brief positive comments are permitted but no lengthy discourses are to disrupt the concentration of the devoted listeners. 

Desultatory HCMâ€™s are in their pajamas and often sipping their sanka. They utter zingers frequently and may tell stories about dating the daughters/grandaughters of the speaker or beating up their sons/grandsons in a game of church ball. They may do humorous impersonations of the speakers and long contradictory diatribes may erupt. Speculation of every kind is the rule. Reading the paper or switching to other channels periodically happens. Conflict between more dedicated and less dedicated family members is almost inevitable. Deferred HCMâ€™s record the sessions while they go somewhere like Lake Powell and watch conference later. Sometimes.

Other types include doing yard work (usually only on Saturday) with the radio turned up so loud during conference that the entire neighborhood can hear. If the entire neighborhood is Mormon, no one seems to mind. Or it includes taking a hike and listening to a conference session with a small radio from the top of one of the mountains overlooking the Salt Lake valley. 

It seems to me that people close to Utah usually have large or extended families that gather for general conference. Those who live farther away or do not have large extended families substitute the ward family in its place. People who have satellite and can get general conference at home often invite their friends in the ward over. Now the Internet opens up more possibilities. Conflict can occur when invitations are extended across these classification lines. If a desultatory type happens to be invited to a strict home conference session, trouble is at hand.

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I think we can modify and apply this scheme to the modern stake conference experience.
SCM indoors in the actual audience of the GAâ€™s is not often possible in the enormous modern church for those of us who live far from Utah. Maybe once every decade a GA comes to an area and they rent a coliseum and thousands drive hundreds of miles to be part of the event.  I have attended 2 in 25 years since I moved away from Utah. I needed binoculars to see the visiting GA.

A variant of SCM outdoor subtype is possible every conference. We could broadcast general and stake conference outdoors at the ward house and have people come and picnic on the lawn. Most places have a more moderate climate than Utah and stake conference could be scheduled at times when the weather is likely to be nice.

HCM variants seem to be the direction we are going with stake conference far from Utah with the preponderance being of the strict variety. Except we havenâ€™t entirely decided on substituting the ward house for the family home. We could, if we wanted to, designate different rooms in the church building for different styles. Formal in the chapel for those who prefer the strict approach. More causal for others in the soft chairs of the RS room. 

Another room could be designated for families with disruptive children. Large screens with high volume to drown out the background noise. One thing to remember is that even though our children seem to be not paying attention and making all manner of disturbances and trips to the drinking fountain and bathroom, their minds do not function like those of an adult. Children absorb information around them from many sources all at the same time. They especially absorb attitudes and emotions well. You might be pleasantly surprised at how much they gather and retain.

(For those of you who have small children, it doesnâ€™t get any better when they are teenagers. My daughter and her posse of 15 year old girls water-ballooned the full-time missionaries right before stake conference about a year ago.)

Finally, how about a room for the token intellectuals and trouble-makers? It could be a small dark room with an old black and white screen and the heat turned up a bit too high. Broken chairs and a coffee-maker that doesnâ€™t work in the corner on the floor. The next step, after we get all these different conference types defined strictly and correlated throughout the church, is to have specific talks tailored to each group. Yeh, conference, a time for everyone to come together, each in their own individual way.

It seems to me we are going to have to decide whether to have folks physically gather for conference or whether we are going to allow most of us to experience conference at home, via satellite or internet (or whatever other digital wonder is next), where we might or might not invite friends over. I see advantages and disadvantages both ways. But I think there is something to the act of physically gathering, aside from whatever messages are delivered and by whom. It is what makes us into a community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late comment from a not very faithful follower of T&amp;S butâ€¦.</p>
<p>Many years ago Salt Lake Tribune humorist Robert Kirby proposed a classification system of Mormons based on their behavior at conference time. I remember it like this:</p>
<p>I.	Square Conference Mormons (SCM)<br />
a.	Indoors<br />
b.	Outdoors</p>
<p>II.	Home Conference Mormons  (HCM)<br />
a.	Strict<br />
b.	Causal<br />
c.	Desultatory<br />
d.	Deferred</p>
<p>III.	Other</p>
<p>SCMâ€™s go to Temple square. Those who arrive early, get in and sit on hard benches with no leg room and witness in person our GAâ€™s speak from a distance. Those who arrive later recline on the lawn and listen to the talks broadcast on loud speakers while they picnic. (It usually snows on conference weekend.) Some would go to other assembly halls and listen as the technology to do so emerged. Today the new Hinckley Conference Center with the free tickets renders this portion of the classification scheme completely obsolete. (SCM now means Supernacle Conference Mormons?)</p>
<p>HCMâ€™s stay home and watch conference on TV or listened to it on the radio in a previous generation. Strict HCMâ€™s borrow metal chairs from the nearby ward house and sit in rows reverently dressed in Sunday best. Full participation is required; heads bowed and eyes closed during prayers, stand and sing during hymns, no comments or other disruptions allowed. Causal HCMâ€™s are up and dressed and lounge on comfortable furniture and eat a snack. Breaks to the kitchen or bathroom during hymns are allowed but quiet is expected during prayers. Children play on the rug in front of the TV and may run off for awhile when bored. Some brief positive comments are permitted but no lengthy discourses are to disrupt the concentration of the devoted listeners. </p>
<p>Desultatory HCMâ€™s are in their pajamas and often sipping their sanka. They utter zingers frequently and may tell stories about dating the daughters/grandaughters of the speaker or beating up their sons/grandsons in a game of church ball. They may do humorous impersonations of the speakers and long contradictory diatribes may erupt. Speculation of every kind is the rule. Reading the paper or switching to other channels periodically happens. Conflict between more dedicated and less dedicated family members is almost inevitable. Deferred HCMâ€™s record the sessions while they go somewhere like Lake Powell and watch conference later. Sometimes.</p>
<p>Other types include doing yard work (usually only on Saturday) with the radio turned up so loud during conference that the entire neighborhood can hear. If the entire neighborhood is Mormon, no one seems to mind. Or it includes taking a hike and listening to a conference session with a small radio from the top of one of the mountains overlooking the Salt Lake valley. </p>
<p>It seems to me that people close to Utah usually have large or extended families that gather for general conference. Those who live farther away or do not have large extended families substitute the ward family in its place. People who have satellite and can get general conference at home often invite their friends in the ward over. Now the Internet opens up more possibilities. Conflict can occur when invitations are extended across these classification lines. If a desultatory type happens to be invited to a strict home conference session, trouble is at hand.</p>
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<p>I think we can modify and apply this scheme to the modern stake conference experience.<br />
SCM indoors in the actual audience of the GAâ€™s is not often possible in the enormous modern church for those of us who live far from Utah. Maybe once every decade a GA comes to an area and they rent a coliseum and thousands drive hundreds of miles to be part of the event.  I have attended 2 in 25 years since I moved away from Utah. I needed binoculars to see the visiting GA.</p>
<p>A variant of SCM outdoor subtype is possible every conference. We could broadcast general and stake conference outdoors at the ward house and have people come and picnic on the lawn. Most places have a more moderate climate than Utah and stake conference could be scheduled at times when the weather is likely to be nice.</p>
<p>HCM variants seem to be the direction we are going with stake conference far from Utah with the preponderance being of the strict variety. Except we havenâ€™t entirely decided on substituting the ward house for the family home. We could, if we wanted to, designate different rooms in the church building for different styles. Formal in the chapel for those who prefer the strict approach. More causal for others in the soft chairs of the RS room. </p>
<p>Another room could be designated for families with disruptive children. Large screens with high volume to drown out the background noise. One thing to remember is that even though our children seem to be not paying attention and making all manner of disturbances and trips to the drinking fountain and bathroom, their minds do not function like those of an adult. Children absorb information around them from many sources all at the same time. They especially absorb attitudes and emotions well. You might be pleasantly surprised at how much they gather and retain.</p>
<p>(For those of you who have small children, it doesnâ€™t get any better when they are teenagers. My daughter and her posse of 15 year old girls water-ballooned the full-time missionaries right before stake conference about a year ago.)</p>
<p>Finally, how about a room for the token intellectuals and trouble-makers? It could be a small dark room with an old black and white screen and the heat turned up a bit too high. Broken chairs and a coffee-maker that doesnâ€™t work in the corner on the floor. The next step, after we get all these different conference types defined strictly and correlated throughout the church, is to have specific talks tailored to each group. Yeh, conference, a time for everyone to come together, each in their own individual way.</p>
<p>It seems to me we are going to have to decide whether to have folks physically gather for conference or whether we are going to allow most of us to experience conference at home, via satellite or internet (or whatever other digital wonder is next), where we might or might not invite friends over. I see advantages and disadvantages both ways. But I think there is something to the act of physically gathering, aside from whatever messages are delivered and by whom. It is what makes us into a community.</p>
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		<title>By: warno</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-221903</link>
		<dc:creator>warno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that lesson manuals have a small paragraph at the front inviting comments and suggestions.  Granted, these will go to a COB employee writing manuals, not a GA, but that&#039;s probably the appropriate place for those types of suggestions to go.  That being said, I&#039;ve never sent in any suggestions, has anyone ever taken the time to do so?  Any acknowledgement or response?

This reminds me that I need to send something in to ask for an updated FHE manual.  That thing was published in 1983 at the latest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that lesson manuals have a small paragraph at the front inviting comments and suggestions.  Granted, these will go to a COB employee writing manuals, not a GA, but that&#8217;s probably the appropriate place for those types of suggestions to go.  That being said, I&#8217;ve never sent in any suggestions, has anyone ever taken the time to do so?  Any acknowledgement or response?</p>
<p>This reminds me that I need to send something in to ask for an updated FHE manual.  That thing was published in 1983 at the latest.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-221897</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a letter once to a Seventy and expressed some frustrations. Much to my surprise, he wrote back and told me he was well aware of the problems and said he appreciated the letter and said some nice things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a letter once to a Seventy and expressed some frustrations. Much to my surprise, he wrote back and told me he was well aware of the problems and said he appreciated the letter and said some nice things.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-221896</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He clearly understands God to be a storytellerâ€”and not just any kind of storyteller, but something like a soap opera writer: God intervenes in the mortal world by plotting seemingly-accidental but deeply meaningful redemptive encounters between individuals.&quot;

That is a great way to put it, Rosalynde. And I think you&#039;re absolutely correct; while his story about meeting a doubting missionary&#039;s parents at a stake conference in Ohio, and then visiting that same missionary the very next week at another conference in Germany, was the most obviously example, just about all of his stories he told really did fall into that model.

&quot;There was one exception: the story about his visit to drought-ravaged Australia (?), where everyone he met had names like &#039;Brooks,&#039; &#039;Rainy&#039; and &#039;Stormy,&#039; and his own name was misspelled on the hotel register as &#039;Monsoon.&#039;&quot;

That was totally my favorite part of his talk. I half-expected him to chuckle and quote Douglas Adams: &quot;Funny old thing, life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He clearly understands God to be a storytellerâ€”and not just any kind of storyteller, but something like a soap opera writer: God intervenes in the mortal world by plotting seemingly-accidental but deeply meaningful redemptive encounters between individuals.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a great way to put it, Rosalynde. And I think you&#8217;re absolutely correct; while his story about meeting a doubting missionary&#8217;s parents at a stake conference in Ohio, and then visiting that same missionary the very next week at another conference in Germany, was the most obviously example, just about all of his stories he told really did fall into that model.</p>
<p>&#8220;There was one exception: the story about his visit to drought-ravaged Australia (?), where everyone he met had names like &#8216;Brooks,&#8217; &#8216;Rainy&#8217; and &#8216;Stormy,&#8217; and his own name was misspelled on the hotel register as &#8216;Monsoon.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>That was totally my favorite part of his talk. I half-expected him to chuckle and quote Douglas Adams: &#8220;Funny old thing, life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#72
I think that is part of the problem.  Iâ€™m sure that many GAs would like to hear what we have to say.  The problem is that we arenâ€™t seeing them, and that relaying a particular problem or hangup we have with something where feedback would be useful isnâ€™t getting done.  
For example â€“ I think, and I think this is a fair assessment, that the Young Womenâ€™s manuals could use an overhaul in order to be taken more seriously by the YW.  
Now, say, a YW says something about this to the YW President.  The YW president would then have to take this to the Bishop, then the Bishop would have to take it to the Stake President, etc, etc.  Somewhere along the lines, someone regards this feedback as unimportant, or even worse, assumes that since the manuals are inspired, we shouldnâ€™t be making suggestions about them, and the feedback, which can be done in full faith and with the best intentions, gets completely lost in the bureaucratic line.
I think the problem with these kinds of broadcasts is that they make the GAs seem even less accessible than they already are.</description>
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I think that is part of the problem.  Iâ€™m sure that many GAs would like to hear what we have to say.  The problem is that we arenâ€™t seeing them, and that relaying a particular problem or hangup we have with something where feedback would be useful isnâ€™t getting done.<br />
For example â€“ I think, and I think this is a fair assessment, that the Young Womenâ€™s manuals could use an overhaul in order to be taken more seriously by the YW.<br />
Now, say, a YW says something about this to the YW President.  The YW president would then have to take this to the Bishop, then the Bishop would have to take it to the Stake President, etc, etc.  Somewhere along the lines, someone regards this feedback as unimportant, or even worse, assumes that since the manuals are inspired, we shouldnâ€™t be making suggestions about them, and the feedback, which can be done in full faith and with the best intentions, gets completely lost in the bureaucratic line.<br />
I think the problem with these kinds of broadcasts is that they make the GAs seem even less accessible than they already are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-221892</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosalynde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended the same broadcast, Russell, and of course had the same issues with my kids. Pr. Monson&#039;s talk was really something; I&#039;ve never heard anything like it, in fact. He clearly understands God to be a storyteller---and not just any kind of storyteller, but something like a soap opera writer: God intervenes in the mortal world by plotting seemingly-accidental but deeply meaningful redemptive encounters between individuals. Virtually every one of the scores of discrete narratives in the talk followed this pattern.

There was one exception: the story about his visit to drought-ravaged Australia (?), where everyone he met had names like &quot;Brooks,&quot; Rainy&quot; and &quot;Stormy,&quot; and his own name was misspelled on the hotel register as &quot;Monsoon.&quot;  It never did rain, though. This was God as absurdist playwright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the same broadcast, Russell, and of course had the same issues with my kids. Pr. Monson&#8217;s talk was really something; I&#8217;ve never heard anything like it, in fact. He clearly understands God to be a storyteller&#8212;and not just any kind of storyteller, but something like a soap opera writer: God intervenes in the mortal world by plotting seemingly-accidental but deeply meaningful redemptive encounters between individuals. Virtually every one of the scores of discrete narratives in the talk followed this pattern.</p>
<p>There was one exception: the story about his visit to drought-ravaged Australia (?), where everyone he met had names like &#8220;Brooks,&#8221; Rainy&#8221; and &#8220;Stormy,&#8221; and his own name was misspelled on the hotel register as &#8220;Monsoon.&#8221;  It never did rain, though. This was God as absurdist playwright.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2007/04/the-stake-conference-experience/#comment-221889</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nelson: called as apostle April, 1984.

Then Oaks, then Ballard, then

Wirthlin: called as apostle October, 1986</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nelson: called as apostle April, 1984.</p>
<p>Then Oaks, then Ballard, then</p>
<p>Wirthlin: called as apostle October, 1986</p>
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