Sunday Afternoon General Conference Open Thread

April 1, 2007 | 93 comments
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As we’ve done in the past, here’s a space to share any thoughts, inspirations, insights, and/or revelations that come to you through general conference. Enjoy!

93 Responses to Sunday Afternoon General Conference Open Thread

  1. Day on April 1, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    Has anyone got video to work at all? We’ve tried ksl.com and lds.org, and now just have to use audio. Any suggestions?
    (We’ve tried refreshing the picture,etc.)

  2. Day on April 1, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    Ksl.com freezes up and starts over from the beginning when you refresh.

  3. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 4:18 pm

    I’ve heard good things of BYU TV’s video feed… but can’t say anything of it, myself.

  4. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Just wait until October for video.

  5. Topher on April 1, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Try checking out http://www.byu.tv

  6. Josh K. on April 1, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    LDS.org’s American Sign Language video feed is still stuck on yesterday morning’s session, so don’t feel too bad. :)

  7. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    byu.tv has been freezing up as well…we resorted to audio also.

  8. Seraphine on April 1, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    I’m having trouble with byu.tv, so I’ve also resorted to audio.

  9. Day on April 1, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    Thanks for the suggestions. We haven’t had any luck with byutv, BUT– Conference miracle alert–we’re getting the right channel on our TV! We usually don’t get channel 61, but when my husband just turned on the TV, there it was. Yay!
    What lovely yellow tulips.

  10. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    Who is speaking now (2:29PM MDT, “Someday…”)?

  11. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    Elder Eyring’s talk is motivational.

  12. Wilfried on April 1, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Same connection trouble in Belgium. We gave up on the video. Audio is OK.

  13. Day on April 1, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Henry B Eyring is speaking now.

  14. Cari on April 1, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    @queuno
    Henry B, Eyring

  15. Mike Parker on April 1, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    What I love most about Elder L. Tom Perry is his testimony of the Lard and the Bookamarmon.

  16. Kevin Barney on April 1, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one whose kbyu feed stalled irrevocably, with several attempts to get it back having failed. (And this after I kept my kbyu link live since the last session in the hope of not losing it.) So right now I’m listing to the lds.org audio feed, with the cool Pink Floyd laser light show.

  17. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    KBYU needs to get in touch with YouTube.

  18. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    Thanks. I’m pretty good at picking out the voices of the Twelve, but some reason, Eyring is the one I always miss (he’s also the one I miss when I try to list them from memory).

    Charter Communications isn’t covering it on cable this year, so I’ve only been going with the audio feed. I figured it wasn’t worth going with the video feed.

  19. CE on April 1, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    Kevin — My 3-year-old daughter is enthralled with the WMP visualization . . . but she keeps wanting me to change the pattern every minute or so.

  20. Cari on April 1, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    Elder Eyring keeps smacking his lips like his mouth is dry. It reminds me of a video I have seen of one of Elder McConkie’s last General Conference talks when he kept smacking his lips.
    Is Elder Eyring’s health alright?

  21. Mike Parker on April 1, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    DISH satellite service carries BYU-TV with their cheapest package. I’m paying ~$42/month for one dish/one TV with a DVR and local programming.

  22. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    @Mike Parker:

    No spam, please. J/K

  23. Mike Parker on April 1, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    And here’s another talk defending the Church’s view of the Godhead, this one from Elder Gary Coleman of the Seventy.

    Add that to Elder Ballard and President Hinckley from Sunday morning.

    Timely.

    (And Elder Coleman looks a lot different than he did when he was on Different Strokes back in the early 80s.)

  24. Joey Day on April 1, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    How many speakers have now quoted (in full or in part) Joseph\’s first vision account?

  25. JTG on April 1, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    I’m just having a hard time getting past the whole Gary Coleman thing.

    “What you talkin’ about Willis?”

  26. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Actually I think it was spelled Diff’rent Strokes.

  27. Day on April 1, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    They’re really harping on the Mormons ARE Christians.

  28. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    [The satellite coverage you cite is still not as cost-effective for me -- and I also have a DVR. Just having BYU-TV and the mtn is not worth the extra money to get a dish. I now have FIOS for my Internet coverage, but so far, FIOS-TV isn't worth the extra cost, either.]

  29. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:51 pm

    Well, Mitt Romney is running for President.

  30. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    I can’t remember another time that a General Young Men’s President spoke!

  31. Cameron on April 1, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    He just said that we don’t sing “Who’s on the Lord’s Side?” very often. We seem to sing that a lot.

  32. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    Well, Cameron, whose side are you on?

  33. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    OK I heard this same story in a satellite stake conference last month (the story about the inappropriate clad young woman and the brother whistling a hymn)…

  34. Topher on April 1, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    I’m remembering when I was in Priest quorum and we were taught if temptations arose we were to sing a hymn… as though given a queue, one of the guys started singing “There is Beauty All Around”… Bishop suggested we pick a different hymn.

  35. dan on April 1, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    Topher: That’s hilarious!

  36. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    * snickers *

  37. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Re: Tithing

    Should Mormon students pay tithing on scholarships?

  38. Day on April 1, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    I had a scholarship at BYU, and it went directly to BYU–I didn’t get a check, so I didn’t think of it as income, so I didn’t pay tithing on it.
    But now my husband is in pharmacy school, we get a check for living expenses, so we plan to pay tithing on that.

  39. Kevin Barney on April 1, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    Reminds me of the classic Grondahl cartoon, where two missionaries walk by a gorgeous woman sunbathing in a bikini. One say to the other: “Sing a hymn, Elder…sing a hymn.”

  40. Kevin Barney on April 1, 2007 at 5:09 pm

    #37, IMO no.

  41. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    I paid tithing on scholarships and grants but not on student loans… as the scholarships and grants represented increase, while the loans represented debt.

  42. Topher on April 1, 2007 at 5:12 pm

    John #37 – Up to the person receiving the scholarship. Tithing payed on our gain, which has been left publicly undefined. Same question rises on paying tithing on gross/net. My Dad answered with another question – how do you want your blessings, gross or net? Other train of thought is that though there is a monetary value associated with education, the real value is the growth of your own personal capacity. Instead of paying a tithing in the form of money, you could in the form of your time, talent, sevice, or a myriad of other manners.

    Bottom line – personal choice. I know those who did, and those who didn’t. All of which are good people, but in the end its between the person and the Lord.

  43. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    Well said.

  44. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    Thanks for your comments on scholarship tithing.

  45. Katherine on April 1, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    Re #37: That’s up to the individual, I think. I don’t pay tithing on the part of my scholarship that covers tuition since it goes directly to the university, but I do pay on my stipend.

  46. Peter LLC on April 1, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    Regarding federal student loans, I believe the gov’t specifically prohibits paying tithing on its money.

  47. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    #46… Never heard such a thing. Hm…

  48. Topher on April 1, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    #46 – I don’t know about tithing prohibitions, but lLoans don’t count as income anyway, its an advance on money you haven’t yet earned. Since its not income, government doesn’t count it as a taxable event. Sort of a tangental observation, but since a loan isn’t income, no tax, and I would think no tithing. Otherwise when you went for a mortgage it would require too much out of pocket for anyone to get a home.

  49. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Elder Uchtdorf sounds like Governor Schwarzenegger.

  50. Cari on April 1, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    I was just going to say the same thing.
    “I’ll be back.”

  51. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    … and he looks like that actor who’s in all those sitcoms, oh man: what’s his name? …

  52. Topher on April 1, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    Gary Coleman?

  53. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    What sitcoms?

  54. Kevin Barney on April 1, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    You mean the mayor of New York with Michael J. Fox in Spin City?

  55. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    That’s what I’m trying to remember… then I could look him up on IMDB.

  56. Kevin Barney on April 1, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    Barry Bostwick.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000960/

    Ain’t the internet grand?

  57. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 5:29 pm
  58. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    Darn it – I didn’t refresh before Kevin posted.

  59. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    That’s the one!

  60. Russell Arben Fox on April 1, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    “Elder Uchtdorf sounds like Governor Schwarzenegger.”

    You really think so? Germans speaking English and Austrians speaking English usually sound different to me.

  61. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    He’s a dead-ringer. He should play Elder Uchtdorf if they ever do a movie / TV show on the Church in modern times.

  62. queuno on April 1, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    Go back and listen to the last 5 minutes – there were moments when his English sounded very much like the Governator….

  63. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    @Russell Arben Fox

    Mein Deutsch ist nicht gut genug zu verstehen die Unterschiede zwischen ein deutsche Akzent und ein Oesterreiche Akzent.

  64. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    I’m voting with Russell.

  65. Russell Arben Fox on April 1, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    John, I’m hardly fluent myself. I’m just saying that when I’ve listened to Austrians speak English, their accent has seemed to have a different tone to me than Germans. Of course, where you come from in Germany probably matters a lot. And I suppose I may have just imagined it.

  66. Day on April 1, 2007 at 5:46 pm

    POSSESSIONS!!!!!

  67. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    Pres. Hinckley has lived longer than I thought he would, and I always wonder if he will be around for the next conference. Today he said, “Good bye” not “God be with you till we meet again.” Might be nothing, but seems different from his typical benediction in a way.

  68. John Williams on April 1, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    He’s living day-to-day. From here on out it will be a safe bet that each Conference could be his last Conference.

  69. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    I know. Just musing.

  70. Day on April 1, 2007 at 5:53 pm

    Sorry I wrote that.
    Good observation, M&M–I hope it doesn’t have sad significance. I’m glad he ended with that comment about husbands and wives caring for each other. I like how he said that along with traffic safety, knowing it’s just as important to our wellbeing.

  71. Ryan on April 1, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    Um, so, no momentous announcements?

  72. Day on April 1, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    This is the first time I’ve seen conf. outside Utah. They sure don’t know their market for the ads. It Utah, the ads right after conf. were always for food storage stores and Murdock travel.
    Here, we snapped off the TV when it started blaring rock music.

  73. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    I felt an urgency in the messages…Elder Eyring on not procrastinating and then Elders Uchdorf and Nelson back-to-back on repentance (again reiterating not procrastinating and preaching powerfully that repentance is possible for everyone, and so necessary). This was a powerful session.

  74. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    Um, so, no momentous announcements?

    goes to show we should take rumors with a grain of salt. : )

    Having a session back in the Tabernacle was Historic in and of itself.

  75. DavidH on April 1, 2007 at 6:06 pm

    I think Elder Uchtdorf’s talk means either that chapter 9 of the Miracle of Forgiveness (entitled “Point of No Return”) should either be removed or retitled.

  76. Kevin Barney on April 1, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    Mea maxima culpa on the rumor thing. If it makes anyone feel better, I personally was totally fished in by them. Now I feel like an idiot. But the speculation did make for some fun blog conversation…

  77. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    I was also touched by Elder Kikuchi’s talk. You know, you hear a talk start on a topic that you have heard a million times, and the tendency for me is sometimes to think I can tune out or that what will be shared will not be relevant (“after all, I’ve been a tithepayer all my life”). But I felt a nudge to focus anyway, and that story of the people in Idaho was very, very moving…reminiscent of the classic story of the people in St. George when Lorenzo Snow (is that right?) preached tithing to them. It was a reminder to me that I can never have enough of the Spirit testifying of a truth and of the Lord’s goodness, even if a topic seems to have been repeated a million times.

  78. Costanza on April 1, 2007 at 6:31 pm

    Kevin, don’t feel bad–the speculation gave many of us some fun moments over the past few days.

  79. Larry Ogan on April 1, 2007 at 7:15 pm

    If you see a women immodestly dressed and have an improper thought, shouldn’t you repent before singing the hymn? Or do you repent after the song? I’m pretty sure you are suppose to repent and not have any more impoper thoughts or are you repentent because you are singing?

  80. Clair on April 1, 2007 at 7:51 pm

    #79. The improper thought is just nature doing its job, not necessarily a sin. What we do with nature defines our progress.

  81. Mark N. on April 1, 2007 at 8:17 pm

    If you see a women immodestly dressed and have an improper thought, shouldn’t you repent before singing the hymn?

    I’m always afraid that it will work in reverse for me, and every time “my favorite hymn” gets played in church, it’ll just cause me to remember all the associated evil thoughts that it was intended to drive out in the first place. : – )

  82. Costanza on April 1, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    Mark, a friend of mine who is a psychologist at BYU said that the situation you describe was a very real problem for quite a few students!

  83. Silus Grok on April 1, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    I think I’ve participated in one or two open threads in the past, but today was the first time I had the laptop open and ready to go. Here’re my thoughts: number one, I noticed that I stayed completely awake during the sessions. That’s a good thing, as my attention span is about 40 minutes, tops… so conference is two times longer than I can normally bear to sit and watch/listen to something. But I also noticed that I focused a little more on what was being typed than what was being said… but that was balanced by my thinking through some of my critical thoughts more thoroughly — also a good thing, as I tend to be overly critical.

    So, I’m curious… how does an open thread impact your viewing?

  84. m&m on April 1, 2007 at 9:16 pm

    This time I didn’t do the open thread (minus a passing comment or two) because I found it distracted me the last time I did it.

  85. Carolyn on April 1, 2007 at 9:35 pm

    “Um, so, no momentous announcements?”

    I can’t believe that no one has mentioned that we now have a new General Relief Society president. Does this calling carry with it so little influence that no one even noticed?

    I missed the Sat. morning session (I had to work) and only heard about Sister Parkin’s release when she got up to speak in the afternoon session. (At least I think that’s what they said. Unless I got this wrong.) Does anyone know anything about the new sister who was called? Her name/background?

  86. Erica Merrell on April 1, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Julie Beck (the new RS president) has been a councelor in the YW presidency. She lived in Brazil for five years as a child and speaks Portuguese. The 1st councelor is Silvia Allred. She is the first member of an RS presidency to have been born outside the US (in El Salvador). She joined the church when she was 15 and has served with her husband in Spain, Paraguay, and the Dominican Republic. Barbara Thompson is the second councelor and works for Christmas Box International. She is not married. She has travelled a lot with her job.

    Sister Beck’s primary concerns are “the lack of self-worth and sense of identity that plague too many women.” She believes the RS, YW, and Primary should work together to help women.

    And that’s all I know, thanks to the Deseret News. They sound like a fairly diverse group of women.

  87. Carolyn on April 1, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    Thanks for the info, Erica. Yes it does sound like a very diverse group.

  88. Kim Siever on April 2, 2007 at 12:03 am

    re: #69

    He did say he was in good health. I expect him to be here at least until October, but it would be cool if he was our first president to hit 100.

  89. manaen on April 2, 2007 at 1:03 am

    I also noted Pres. Hinckley’s “Good-bye.” I’ve been jumpy about this kind of thing ever since BRM’s “in a coming day” speech and his funeral 2 weeks later.

  90. m&m on April 2, 2007 at 1:10 am

    Yeah, hard not to be jumpy.

  91. John Williams on April 2, 2007 at 1:59 am

    @Silus Grok

    (83)

    I’d say that participating in the open threads was a two-edged sword. It helped me focus more on the talks to hear something that might inspire me to make a comment, but at times I paid more attention to the threads than some of the talks. Frankly, some speakers were easy to tune out. Overall, I think I probably paid more attention than I have in the past.

  92. EQ on April 2, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    So, is the consensus among the faithful that nothing \”historic with a capital H\” occurred at this past General Conference, or is the consensus that Elder Nelson’s statement to DCP did not really happen?

  93. Locke on April 3, 2007 at 1:02 am

    The last four general conferences have contained much warnings about hardship that lies ahead. I especially heard the call to spiritually prepare and temporally prepare for the storm that lies ahead. The doctrinal realities of things to come are always a stark reminder to me that these are the Latter-days. After the conference I for some reason went to the churches website to read up on some conference talks given before I was born. I came across this prophecy.

    Bruce R. McConkie
    General Conference, April 1979
    ‘For the moment we live in a day of peace and prosperity but it shall not ever be thus. Great trials lie ahead. All of the sorrows and perils of the past are but a foretaste of what is yet to be. And we must prepare ourselves temporally and spiritually.”

    At the same time I feel fine about the future. I feel a complete calm but feel that tempests will soon rage.