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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215501</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again well said, Left Field. Merci! Your previous remark was also well stated: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Being uptight and anxious about protecting our vestments from ridicule presupposes that they are fit subjects for mockery and that they will be held in scorn by all who see them. Is it any wonder then, when people respond with the very derision we imagined was inevitable? Perhaps we show and invite more respect by being forthright and open, and assuming that others will follow our lead.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again well said, Left Field. Merci! Your previous remark was also well stated: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Being uptight and anxious about protecting our vestments from ridicule presupposes that they are fit subjects for mockery and that they will be held in scorn by all who see them. Is it any wonder then, when people respond with the very derision we imagined was inevitable? Perhaps we show and invite more respect by being forthright and open, and assuming that others will follow our lead.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215491</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in Detroit a number of years ago, the nearest temple was in Toronto.  Border crossings were usually quite perfunctory.  Usually they just asked my citizenship.  Sometimes they would ask the purpose of my trip, and occasionally they would ask about prohibited items.  One day, after I stated that I was attending the Mormon Temple in Toronto, the customs agent asked, &quot;Probably not; but are you bringing any tobacco or alcohol into Canada?&quot;  I never was subjected to any kind of an inspection going in either direction.  However, I did hear a secondhand story about someone who purchased garments at the temple and utterly refused to allow the US customs agent to inspect the garments.  The story is probably apocryphal.  Unless they were searching for drugs or something, I can&#039;t imagine why customs would have any interest in garments beyond noting that you had new clothing still in the packages.

I&#039;m not aware of any rule prohibiting viewing of the garment under appropriate circumstances.  Doctors, nurses, police officers, morticians, customs agents, launderers, airport security agents, and others will ocassionally see garments in the course of their duties. I agree that they probably don&#039;t pay much attention to anyone&#039;s styles of undergarments.  I think the best approach is for us to assume they will carry out their duties in a professional manner.  Though they may be unusual, there&#039;s nothing about garments that should promote derision except among the juvenile and boorish.  Polite society does not generally engage in ridicule of others&#039; clothing choices.  And (until experience demonstrates otherwise) it is likewise courteous for us to assume that anyone who encounters garments on the job will respond in an appropriate manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in Detroit a number of years ago, the nearest temple was in Toronto.  Border crossings were usually quite perfunctory.  Usually they just asked my citizenship.  Sometimes they would ask the purpose of my trip, and occasionally they would ask about prohibited items.  One day, after I stated that I was attending the Mormon Temple in Toronto, the customs agent asked, &#8220;Probably not; but are you bringing any tobacco or alcohol into Canada?&#8221;  I never was subjected to any kind of an inspection going in either direction.  However, I did hear a secondhand story about someone who purchased garments at the temple and utterly refused to allow the US customs agent to inspect the garments.  The story is probably apocryphal.  Unless they were searching for drugs or something, I can&#8217;t imagine why customs would have any interest in garments beyond noting that you had new clothing still in the packages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any rule prohibiting viewing of the garment under appropriate circumstances.  Doctors, nurses, police officers, morticians, customs agents, launderers, airport security agents, and others will ocassionally see garments in the course of their duties. I agree that they probably don&#8217;t pay much attention to anyone&#8217;s styles of undergarments.  I think the best approach is for us to assume they will carry out their duties in a professional manner.  Though they may be unusual, there&#8217;s nothing about garments that should promote derision except among the juvenile and boorish.  Polite society does not generally engage in ridicule of others&#8217; clothing choices.  And (until experience demonstrates otherwise) it is likewise courteous for us to assume that anyone who encounters garments on the job will respond in an appropriate manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215473</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for the latest comments. Maria, I&#039;m not sure if there is a current &quot;rule&quot; that obliges to wash our garments ourselves. I can understand it would be recommended if circumstances allow for it. But like you explained, there is also the matter of practicality. And as Costanza (16) mentioned: &quot;My experience is that people tend to think much less frequently about us (including what funny things we send to the laundry) than we imagine they do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for the latest comments. Maria, I&#8217;m not sure if there is a current &#8220;rule&#8221; that obliges to wash our garments ourselves. I can understand it would be recommended if circumstances allow for it. But like you explained, there is also the matter of practicality. And as Costanza (16) mentioned: &#8220;My experience is that people tend to think much less frequently about us (including what funny things we send to the laundry) than we imagine they do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215468</link>
		<dc:creator>maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great post, Wilfried.  As already mentioned, the granny-panty imagery is fabulous.  I can just picture them flapping in the soft wind.  

Living in NYC the past 5 years (where practically no one has access to private washing machines/dryers), I have sat through a least a half-dozen debates over the issue of sending out your garments to the laundry service or not.  Faithful members (including leaders) fall onto both sides of the argument. In this busy city, where your time is more valuable to you than your money, having the immigrants who own the laundromat down the street come to your house to pick up your Gs, wash them, dry them, fold them, and deliver them back to you in a few hours (along with the rest of your laundry), might not only sound enticing, but be necessary (in order to survive!).  

I haven&#039;t yet succumbed...but fully plan to next fall when I start my 60+ hour/weeks at the law firm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great post, Wilfried.  As already mentioned, the granny-panty imagery is fabulous.  I can just picture them flapping in the soft wind.  </p>
<p>Living in NYC the past 5 years (where practically no one has access to private washing machines/dryers), I have sat through a least a half-dozen debates over the issue of sending out your garments to the laundry service or not.  Faithful members (including leaders) fall onto both sides of the argument. In this busy city, where your time is more valuable to you than your money, having the immigrants who own the laundromat down the street come to your house to pick up your Gs, wash them, dry them, fold them, and deliver them back to you in a few hours (along with the rest of your laundry), might not only sound enticing, but be necessary (in order to survive!).  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t yet succumbed&#8230;but fully plan to next fall when I start my 60+ hour/weeks at the law firm.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Wilfried.  Well-done, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Wilfried.  Well-done, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mormon garments shared the sun with the granny panties of the Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy Divine.&quot;

Thanks Wilfried.  I love this image.  It is a wonderful metaphor for openness and acceptance. If only we could hang our prejudices alongside each other to dry in similar fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mormon garments shared the sun with the granny panties of the Sisters of Our Lady of Mercy Divine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks Wilfried.  I love this image.  It is a wonderful metaphor for openness and acceptance. If only we could hang our prejudices alongside each other to dry in similar fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Costanza</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215438</link>
		<dc:creator>Costanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience is that people tend to think much less frequently about us (including what funny things we send to the laundry) than we imagine they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that people tend to think much less frequently about us (including what funny things we send to the laundry) than we imagine they do.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215429</link>
		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This summer we stayed in an apartment complex that offered FREE laundry service (I suppose to make up for the fact that the 40&#039;s architecture didn&#039;t accomodate washers and dryers in the units).  We were renovating our house and living out of suitcases so, like Wilfried, I quickly succumbed to sending our underwear along with the rest.  Hard to imagine what the laundry ladies thought of my NURSING garments!  Hardly a stranger looking piece of (under) clothing exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This summer we stayed in an apartment complex that offered FREE laundry service (I suppose to make up for the fact that the 40&#8242;s architecture didn&#8217;t accomodate washers and dryers in the units).  We were renovating our house and living out of suitcases so, like Wilfried, I quickly succumbed to sending our underwear along with the rest.  Hard to imagine what the laundry ladies thought of my NURSING garments!  Hardly a stranger looking piece of (under) clothing exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/12/fridays-in-the-congo/#comment-215424</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pleasantly surprised to see all these comments this morning (I&#039;m in West-European time zone). Thanks! When I posted about the topic I wasn&#039;t sure which direction comments would go. I agree with the main thrust: our vestments are not a secret (anymore, if they ever were) and some openness may actually prevent derision. If certain outsiders notice that the topic can irritate Mormons and trigger scandalized reactions, they will be eager to continue. Some dedramatization might be helpful. That&#039;s what I also aimed for with my post. 

And, after reading my story, Andrew Sullivan himself provided us with what could be an appeasing phrase for all: &quot;In the end, it seems, whatever God we worship, we all do laundry.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pleasantly surprised to see all these comments this morning (I&#8217;m in West-European time zone). Thanks! When I posted about the topic I wasn&#8217;t sure which direction comments would go. I agree with the main thrust: our vestments are not a secret (anymore, if they ever were) and some openness may actually prevent derision. If certain outsiders notice that the topic can irritate Mormons and trigger scandalized reactions, they will be eager to continue. Some dedramatization might be helpful. That&#8217;s what I also aimed for with my post. </p>
<p>And, after reading my story, Andrew Sullivan himself provided us with what could be an appeasing phrase for all: &#8220;In the end, it seems, whatever God we worship, we all do laundry.â€</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried,

As is often the case, your story struck a chord with me.  A few years ago, I spent a month in very similar accomodations in central Africa.  I was at a remote Shell Oil facility in the rainforest in Gabon.  I still normally wear the one-piece garment (personal choice, for comfort).   I would leave my laundry on the bed and find it returned clean and neatly folded the next day.  I&#039;m sure the laundry personnel had not seen garments before, but I like to imagine they simply did their job in a professional manner without giving too much thought to clothing styles.  I suppose Sister Veronique followed the same policy.

Being uptight and anxious about protecting our vestments from ridicule presupposes that they are fit subjects for mockery and that they will be held in scorn by all who see them.  Is it any wonder then, when people respond with the very derision we imagined was inevitable?  Perhaps we show and invite more respect by being forthright and open, and assuming that others will follow our lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried,</p>
<p>As is often the case, your story struck a chord with me.  A few years ago, I spent a month in very similar accomodations in central Africa.  I was at a remote Shell Oil facility in the rainforest in Gabon.  I still normally wear the one-piece garment (personal choice, for comfort).   I would leave my laundry on the bed and find it returned clean and neatly folded the next day.  I&#8217;m sure the laundry personnel had not seen garments before, but I like to imagine they simply did their job in a professional manner without giving too much thought to clothing styles.  I suppose Sister Veronique followed the same policy.</p>
<p>Being uptight and anxious about protecting our vestments from ridicule presupposes that they are fit subjects for mockery and that they will be held in scorn by all who see them.  Is it any wonder then, when people respond with the very derision we imagined was inevitable?  Perhaps we show and invite more respect by being forthright and open, and assuming that others will follow our lead.</p>
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