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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214762</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been quite a few discussions on this forum about what makes women happy or cranky and the differences between a traditional approach and a non-traditional approach. All of these discussions tend to put the wife at the center as if the decisions revolve around her fulfillment, happiness, and expectations.

Iâ€™m interested in swapping the perspective of the discussion. What makes husbands happy? 

On the one hand, husbands have a lot more opportunity and choice. With far fewer domestic expectations, many more career options are available. Plus our church culture is more supportive of husbands pursuing extended educations to support their career aspirations.

On the other hand, we expect husbands to pull in a â€œbreadwinningâ€ income. While working is optional for women, husbands canâ€™t get out of it. Are there any men who would prefer to be stay-at-home dads? Do some men prefer to share the burden of working?

If husbands could configure something different than the traditional approach, what would it look like? Or, are they happiest with the traditional model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been quite a few discussions on this forum about what makes women happy or cranky and the differences between a traditional approach and a non-traditional approach. All of these discussions tend to put the wife at the center as if the decisions revolve around her fulfillment, happiness, and expectations.</p>
<p>Iâ€™m interested in swapping the perspective of the discussion. What makes husbands happy? </p>
<p>On the one hand, husbands have a lot more opportunity and choice. With far fewer domestic expectations, many more career options are available. Plus our church culture is more supportive of husbands pursuing extended educations to support their career aspirations.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we expect husbands to pull in a â€œbreadwinningâ€ income. While working is optional for women, husbands canâ€™t get out of it. Are there any men who would prefer to be stay-at-home dads? Do some men prefer to share the burden of working?</p>
<p>If husbands could configure something different than the traditional approach, what would it look like? Or, are they happiest with the traditional model?</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214761</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the career logic for women is predicated on the idea that the job will reward with fulfillment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the career logic for women is predicated on the idea that the job will reward with fulfillment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214752</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenda,

It means that the privileged fail to recognize that the vast majority of those with jobs are grunge laborers. Somehow the privileged can&#039;t seem to understand that there ain&#039;t a whole lot of deliverance--from the domestic mundane, that is--in working on an assembly line, or flipping burgers, or mopping floors, or changing sheets, or what-have-you.

The argument against finding happiness in the more traditional marital contexts always seems to come across a bit Marie Antionettish--you know, let them find a career avenue that will bring fulfillment if they want happiness. It is a very small percentage of the work force who find fulfillment it their careers--mostly in the &quot;upper crust.&quot; The rest of us middle (or lower) class morons have to look for happiness elsewhere. And I&#039;m happy to report that many succeed in finding it outside of their careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda,</p>
<p>It means that the privileged fail to recognize that the vast majority of those with jobs are grunge laborers. Somehow the privileged can&#8217;t seem to understand that there ain&#8217;t a whole lot of deliverance&#8211;from the domestic mundane, that is&#8211;in working on an assembly line, or flipping burgers, or mopping floors, or changing sheets, or what-have-you.</p>
<p>The argument against finding happiness in the more traditional marital contexts always seems to come across a bit Marie Antionettish&#8211;you know, let them find a career avenue that will bring fulfillment if they want happiness. It is a very small percentage of the work force who find fulfillment it their careers&#8211;mostly in the &#8220;upper crust.&#8221; The rest of us middle (or lower) class morons have to look for happiness elsewhere. And I&#8217;m happy to report that many succeed in finding it outside of their careers.</p>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214720</link>
		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aRJ, you are a truly man before your time :)  We miss you guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aRJ, you are a truly man before your time :)  We miss you guys!</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214715</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ECS,

I can tell you that we have people that clean the toilets and quite a bit of childcare help and there are still complaints that the house is a mess.

Both of us claim to be happy though, even though we live in Sandy and neither of us is medicated.

Oh, and I earn a lot less money than my wife does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ECS,</p>
<p>I can tell you that we have people that clean the toilets and quite a bit of childcare help and there are still complaints that the house is a mess.</p>
<p>Both of us claim to be happy though, even though we live in Sandy and neither of us is medicated.</p>
<p>Oh, and I earn a lot less money than my wife does.</p>
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		<title>By: veritas</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214708</link>
		<dc:creator>veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Qoute from the article referred to in #46. 

(BYU Professor Daniel K.) Judd said recent surveys show that some LDS women report higher incidences of depression than women outside the church....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Qoute from the article referred to in #46. </p>
<p>(BYU Professor Daniel K.) Judd said recent surveys show that some LDS women report higher incidences of depression than women outside the church&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214670</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, will you please clarify what you mean? There&#039;s a lot of ways you can read your comment, given the many ideas on this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, will you please clarify what you mean? There&#8217;s a lot of ways you can read your comment, given the many ideas on this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214654</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again we see the privileged trying to get it through the thick heads of the middle class morons that career trumps all when it comes to happiness in marraige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again we see the privileged trying to get it through the thick heads of the middle class morons that career trumps all when it comes to happiness in marraige.</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214640</link>
		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I believe there is a difference between being happily married becuase the relationship with your spouse is good and being happy/unhappy with career decisions

2. Too often, many of the items in Julie&#039;s post are not discussed prior to marriage due to a lack of maturity. NOW is a good time to own up and show some maturity

3. Many women, myself included, assume that becuase something makes sense to us that it will be common sense to our spouse. For example, a bathroom in our home is  only used by my husband and child. As you could imagine, it is disgusting to me. I asked how come he doesn&#039;t clean it and his response is &quot;it doesn&#039;t occur to me  that it needs to be cleaned&quot;.  

to the women who feel that their husband doesn&#039;t contribute enough. MAKE A LIST (and don&#039;t expect him to  do it how you do it). 

And always remember this.  You picked him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I believe there is a difference between being happily married becuase the relationship with your spouse is good and being happy/unhappy with career decisions</p>
<p>2. Too often, many of the items in Julie&#8217;s post are not discussed prior to marriage due to a lack of maturity. NOW is a good time to own up and show some maturity</p>
<p>3. Many women, myself included, assume that becuase something makes sense to us that it will be common sense to our spouse. For example, a bathroom in our home is  only used by my husband and child. As you could imagine, it is disgusting to me. I asked how come he doesn&#8217;t clean it and his response is &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t occur to me  that it needs to be cleaned&#8221;.  </p>
<p>to the women who feel that their husband doesn&#8217;t contribute enough. MAKE A LIST (and don&#8217;t expect him to  do it how you do it). </p>
<p>And always remember this.  You picked him.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hardy</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/11/the-happiest-wives/#comment-214624</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spoke with Timothy Heaton, at BYU, once about demographic statistics and women&#039;s roles.  I apologize to Heaton if I mis-remember his comment, but he said that women&#039;s satisfaction/happiness is related to their roles in this manner:  Those who wished to stay at home, and did stay at home were quite satisfied and happy.  Those who wished to pursue a career outside their home and did so were quite satisfied and happy.  Those who didn&#039;t want to pursue a career outside of home-making, but felt compelled to were unhappy, and those who wished to work ourside the home but were able to were also unsatisfied/unhappy.

This has always made sense to me.  Its all about expectations and aspirations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke with Timothy Heaton, at BYU, once about demographic statistics and women&#8217;s roles.  I apologize to Heaton if I mis-remember his comment, but he said that women&#8217;s satisfaction/happiness is related to their roles in this manner:  Those who wished to stay at home, and did stay at home were quite satisfied and happy.  Those who wished to pursue a career outside their home and did so were quite satisfied and happy.  Those who didn&#8217;t want to pursue a career outside of home-making, but felt compelled to were unhappy, and those who wished to work ourside the home but were able to were also unsatisfied/unhappy.</p>
<p>This has always made sense to me.  Its all about expectations and aspirations.</p>
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