Comments on: Gender Pairs in Luke’s Gospel http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/ Truth Will Prevail Thu, 24 May 2012 17:58:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Julie M. Smith http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212628 Julie M. Smith Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:11:32 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212628 Interesting, Robert C. The OT ones I've thought of are Daniel and Esther (theme: how do you live in exile?) and Pharoah's wife and Tamar. Interesting, Robert C. The OT ones I’ve thought of are Daniel and Esther (theme: how do you live in exile?) and Pharoah’s wife and Tamar.

]]> By: Robert C. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212626 Robert C. Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:44:47 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212626 So, I know this is a stretch, but a conversation I was having made me wonder if Jonah and Ruth are a (contrasting) type of gender pair: they are both post-exilic books addressing the question of non-Israelite status, and they have many obvious contrasting themes (individuality vs. community, non-charity vs. hesed, male vs. female etc.). Surely someone's written a dissertation or something on this....? So, I know this is a stretch, but a conversation I was having made me wonder if Jonah and Ruth are a (contrasting) type of gender pair: they are both post-exilic books addressing the question of non-Israelite status, and they have many obvious contrasting themes (individuality vs. community, non-charity vs. hesed, male vs. female etc.). Surely someone’s written a dissertation or something on this….?

]]> By: Julie M. Smith http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212493 Julie M. Smith Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:06:48 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212493 eh . . . the "no man" in Luke 5:35 is singular masculine--I'm not sure how much weight to give that balanced against the idea of mending as women's work eh . . . the “no man” in Luke 5:35 is singular masculine–I’m not sure how much weight to give that balanced against the idea of mending as women’s work

]]> By: Julie M. Smith http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212492 Julie M. Smith Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:58:49 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212492 All, thanks for the comments. It occured to me in the middle of teaching my class tonight that <em>And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. (Luke 5;35-37)</em> sounds like another one for the list--I'm not 100% sure that winemaking would have been men's work, but fairly certain that mending would have been women's work. All, thanks for the comments. It occured to me in the middle of teaching my class tonight that

And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. (Luke 5;35-37)

sounds like another one for the list–I’m not 100% sure that winemaking would have been men’s work, but fairly certain that mending would have been women’s work.

]]> By: Ardis http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212489 Ardis Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:36:43 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212489 Alison, I may have had a better seminary experience than you (especially the two years of home study), or been a particularly nerdy high schooler. I've never taught teenagers, though, to see the seminary program secondhand. It strikes me that I would have loved this kind of assignment far more than reading a chapter of Luke and giving obvious answers to boring questions. Julie's introduction and list gives something for private study in doses as small as a single pair and as large as the entire list. Group discussion the next day would allow for listening to group insights and defending personal perspectives. Recognizing women in scripture would have appealed to me then as much as it did when I read this post today - I remember feeling triumphant as a teen just knowing that there were mentions of Bernice (my mother's name) and Lois (my mother's second choice name for me) and Eunice (the name of her best friend as a child) in the New Testament. I also would have relished the novelty of this kind of study - even as a teen I think I would have realized that it was something that adults couldn't do during the typical Sunday School hour, that it took the time and scholarship that seminary was designed for. Never underestimate the superiority and smugness of being 15! Anyway, it certainly catches my fancy today and I'm looking forward to using this lesson privately over the next week. (I teach the family history class in Sunday School and feel completely disconnected from the regular adult curriculum, so dipping into the NT doesn't disrupt any existing personal study.) Alison, I may have had a better seminary experience than you (especially the two years of home study), or been a particularly nerdy high schooler. I’ve never taught teenagers, though, to see the seminary program secondhand.

It strikes me that I would have loved this kind of assignment far more than reading a chapter of Luke and giving obvious answers to boring questions. Julie’s introduction and list gives something for private study in doses as small as a single pair and as large as the entire list. Group discussion the next day would allow for listening to group insights and defending personal perspectives.

Recognizing women in scripture would have appealed to me then as much as it did when I read this post today – I remember feeling triumphant as a teen just knowing that there were mentions of Bernice (my mother’s name) and Lois (my mother’s second choice name for me) and Eunice (the name of her best friend as a child) in the New Testament. I also would have relished the novelty of this kind of study – even as a teen I think I would have realized that it was something that adults couldn’t do during the typical Sunday School hour, that it took the time and scholarship that seminary was designed for. Never underestimate the superiority and smugness of being 15!

Anyway, it certainly catches my fancy today and I’m looking forward to using this lesson privately over the next week. (I teach the family history class in Sunday School and feel completely disconnected from the regular adult curriculum, so dipping into the NT doesn’t disrupt any existing personal study.)

]]> By: Starfoxy http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212488 Starfoxy Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:29:44 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212488 There probably won't be a firestorm of commenttroversy, so I wanted to make sure you knew that I really enjoyed reading this. There probably won’t be a firestorm of commenttroversy, so I wanted to make sure you knew that I really enjoyed reading this.

]]> By: Alison Moore Smith http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212487 Alison Moore Smith Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:58:37 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212487 Julie, this is such an interesting insight. I'm going to print out your article and go over it for the next few mornings. Thank you for sharing. Ardis: Seminary assignments? When we lived in Florida I taught Gospel Doctrine to the 16-17 year olds. Once in a lesson we were discussing the things they could do to increase their personal spirituality. I asked them if they tried to read the seminary assignment. They asked what I was talking about. They didn't even know what book of scripture they were supposedly studying that year...and it was March. Such was common, but at times we had really great teachers, too. Since moving to Utah, I've been very pleased with the instruction, but the teachers do have the advantage of being able to spend their full time on the efforts. Julie, this is such an interesting insight. I’m going to print out your article and go over it for the next few mornings. Thank you for sharing.

Ardis:

Seminary assignments?

When we lived in Florida I taught Gospel Doctrine to the 16-17 year olds. Once in a lesson we were discussing the things they could do to increase their personal spirituality. I asked them if they tried to read the seminary assignment. They asked what I was talking about. They didn’t even know what book of scripture they were supposedly studying that year…and it was March.

Such was common, but at times we had really great teachers, too. Since moving to Utah, I’ve been very pleased with the instruction, but the teachers do have the advantage of being able to spend their full time on the efforts.

]]> By: Ardis http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/gender-pairs-in-lukes-gospel/#comment-212481 Ardis Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:33:02 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3416#comment-212481 This is exactly the kind of study assignment that appeals to me and would have made seminary so much more valuable -- why hasn't the Church got you writing manuals for them? This is exactly the kind of study assignment that appeals to me and would have made seminary so much more valuable — why hasn’t the Church got you writing manuals for them?

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