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	<title>Comments on: Catherine Garber Laine:  The Role of Her Lifetime</title>
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		<title>By: Ardis</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/catherine-garber-laine-the-role-of-her-lifetime/#comment-212448</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Julie said. Yes, those old RSMagazines are terrific. They&#039;re also a good source for the germs of these women&#039;s stories -- if I can find an interesting moment in some woman&#039;s life, I can research her as if she were my grandmother and fill in the history around her. I wish somebody would scan them the way they have done the &lt;em&gt;Contributor&lt;/em&gt; and some other early publications.

Rosalynde, the New York Relief Society at the time I&#039;m studying the LDS colony there (1900-1916) was a little unusual in that they didn&#039;t do the typical RS activities. Well, they &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; do compassionate service, but they didn&#039;t do the usual lessons and fund raising and social activities. They were more a &quot;missionary support&quot; society. They mothered the missionaries, and were shills for street meetings and provided a warm and well-fed setting for cottage meetings for the missionaries to introduce their investigators to members. They met only once a month for most of this period. 

By the time you get to the 20s and 30s, RS everywhere tended to be the same -- on a smaller scale -- as it was anywhere in Utah. Even in a mission field like Tahiti you had the mission president&#039;s wife stamping pillow cases and teaching native sisters how to embroider, because that&#039;s the model of RS the women had: work meetings, and arts appreciation, and health, and spiritual lessons, and genealogy. I think the Magazine played a role in correlating church-wide RS before there was such a thing as big-C Correlation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Julie said. Yes, those old RSMagazines are terrific. They&#8217;re also a good source for the germs of these women&#8217;s stories &#8212; if I can find an interesting moment in some woman&#8217;s life, I can research her as if she were my grandmother and fill in the history around her. I wish somebody would scan them the way they have done the <em>Contributor</em> and some other early publications.</p>
<p>Rosalynde, the New York Relief Society at the time I&#8217;m studying the LDS colony there (1900-1916) was a little unusual in that they didn&#8217;t do the typical RS activities. Well, they <em>did</em> do compassionate service, but they didn&#8217;t do the usual lessons and fund raising and social activities. They were more a &#8220;missionary support&#8221; society. They mothered the missionaries, and were shills for street meetings and provided a warm and well-fed setting for cottage meetings for the missionaries to introduce their investigators to members. They met only once a month for most of this period. </p>
<p>By the time you get to the 20s and 30s, RS everywhere tended to be the same &#8212; on a smaller scale &#8212; as it was anywhere in Utah. Even in a mission field like Tahiti you had the mission president&#8217;s wife stamping pillow cases and teaching native sisters how to embroider, because that&#8217;s the model of RS the women had: work meetings, and arts appreciation, and health, and spiritual lessons, and genealogy. I think the Magazine played a role in correlating church-wide RS before there was such a thing as big-C Correlation.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/catherine-garber-laine-the-role-of-her-lifetime/#comment-212444</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, what did pre-Correlation but extra-Utah Relief Societies look like and do?&quot;

I love looking at the old RS magazines, and my favorite parts are the lengthy descriptions (sometimes with pictures) of what those extra-UT RSs did:  bazaars, quilts, meals, work groups, etc., etc.  If you can get your hands on any of them, RW, they are fun stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, what did pre-Correlation but extra-Utah Relief Societies look like and do?&#8221;</p>
<p>I love looking at the old RS magazines, and my favorite parts are the lengthy descriptions (sometimes with pictures) of what those extra-UT RSs did:  bazaars, quilts, meals, work groups, etc., etc.  If you can get your hands on any of them, RW, they are fun stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, shades of Gladys Knight, of Mary and Martha, of Mme Rambouillet&#039;s salon....  Fascinating!

I know that in England, at least, actresses retained a flavor of the illicit and faintly unsavory well through the 19th century---any hint that the same was true in America, Ardis?  That is, would her conversion have signalled a dramatic change in lifestyle, like Paul&#039;s? 

Also, what did pre-Correlation but extra-Utah Relief Societies look like and do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, shades of Gladys Knight, of Mary and Martha, of Mme Rambouillet&#8217;s salon&#8230;.  Fascinating!</p>
<p>I know that in England, at least, actresses retained a flavor of the illicit and faintly unsavory well through the 19th century&#8212;any hint that the same was true in America, Ardis?  That is, would her conversion have signalled a dramatic change in lifestyle, like Paul&#8217;s? </p>
<p>Also, what did pre-Correlation but extra-Utah Relief Societies look like and do?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely post--thank you for this.  

Laura, Ardis can correct me, but it sounded like she retired from the theater before the missionaries found her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely post&#8211;thank you for this.  </p>
<p>Laura, Ardis can correct me, but it sounded like she retired from the theater before the missionaries found her.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, all. Everybody â€“ you too â€“ has a story, and it is a pleasure to recover the shadows of lives of faithful LDS sisters. Part of the pleasure is restoring a woman to the memory of her sisters; another part is comparing my life to hers and wondering how I would have faced her circumstances. Laura, along those lines Iâ€™ll keep a watch for an actress who might fit your interests. Agnes Rose Lane, the New York RS president with whom Catherine worked as first counselor, generally lived two lives: Active LDS when in New York where church connections were available; and actress, isolated from all LDS activity, while on the road with touring companies. That of course doesnâ€™t say anything about the quality of her spiritual life, just that she couldnâ€™t fully integrate her life. Then she married a nonmember (an electrician from Georgia), who took her both off the stage and apparently out of the Church.

Kevin, this calling had never occurred to me before the bishop called me into his office. From his sparse description, thought that this was one of those invented â€œletâ€™s give everybody a jobâ€? callings. Doesnâ€™t matter in the end; it was inspired because it was exactly what I needed.  I take it seriously and put as much effort into it as I do into any professional work.

(Getting error messages here, too â€“ more apologies if this appears more than once.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all. Everybody â€“ you too â€“ has a story, and it is a pleasure to recover the shadows of lives of faithful LDS sisters. Part of the pleasure is restoring a woman to the memory of her sisters; another part is comparing my life to hers and wondering how I would have faced her circumstances. Laura, along those lines Iâ€™ll keep a watch for an actress who might fit your interests. Agnes Rose Lane, the New York RS president with whom Catherine worked as first counselor, generally lived two lives: Active LDS when in New York where church connections were available; and actress, isolated from all LDS activity, while on the road with touring companies. That of course doesnâ€™t say anything about the quality of her spiritual life, just that she couldnâ€™t fully integrate her life. Then she married a nonmember (an electrician from Georgia), who took her both off the stage and apparently out of the Church.</p>
<p>Kevin, this calling had never occurred to me before the bishop called me into his office. From his sparse description, thought that this was one of those invented â€œletâ€™s give everybody a jobâ€? callings. Doesnâ€™t matter in the end; it was inspired because it was exactly what I needed.  I take it seriously and put as much effort into it as I do into any professional work.</p>
<p>(Getting error messages here, too â€“ more apologies if this appears more than once.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/catherine-garber-laine-the-role-of-her-lifetime/#comment-212335</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everybody. Some of these will be dramatic, others are more prosaic, but these are faithful Latter-day Saint women. We all have stories worth telling -- you too.

Kevin, I didn&#039;t know about this assignment until the bishop called me in. From his sketchy description, I got the idea that not only had it come from my RS president, but also that it might have been one of those invented &quot;let&#039;s give everybody a job&quot; callings.  Even if it was, it turns out to have been inspired; at least it&#039;s exactly what I needed. I&#039;ve taken it seriously and put as much effort into it as anything I do professionally. Once I got going, I discovered how hungry I was for connections to women. The current lesson materials for RS and SS are good and valuable, but women never appear unless as the wife of the man who is the real subject of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everybody. Some of these will be dramatic, others are more prosaic, but these are faithful Latter-day Saint women. We all have stories worth telling &#8212; you too.</p>
<p>Kevin, I didn&#8217;t know about this assignment until the bishop called me in. From his sketchy description, I got the idea that not only had it come from my RS president, but also that it might have been one of those invented &#8220;let&#8217;s give everybody a job&#8221; callings.  Even if it was, it turns out to have been inspired; at least it&#8217;s exactly what I needed. I&#8217;ve taken it seriously and put as much effort into it as anything I do professionally. Once I got going, I discovered how hungry I was for connections to women. The current lesson materials for RS and SS are good and valuable, but women never appear unless as the wife of the man who is the real subject of discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/10/catherine-garber-laine-the-role-of-her-lifetime/#comment-212332</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wonderful vignette, Ardis.  Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderful vignette, Ardis.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis, this is a great idea, and I&#039;m curious about your calling.  Did you propose the idea to your RS President, or to the bishop, or did one of them propose it to you?  . . . curious to see how this came about on the administrative end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, this is a great idea, and I&#8217;m curious about your calling.  Did you propose the idea to your RS President, or to the bishop, or did one of them propose it to you?  . . . curious to see how this came about on the administrative end.</p>
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		<title>By: mami</title>
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		<dc:creator>mami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please keep posting these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please keep posting these.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow- neat stories.

Personally, I was dissappointed that she did not manage to balance her theatrical career with being LDS.  I work in theatre and often struggle to reconcile the two, and while many things have changed since the late 1800&#039;s it would have been nice to another story of someone who lived both lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow- neat stories.</p>
<p>Personally, I was dissappointed that she did not manage to balance her theatrical career with being LDS.  I work in theatre and often struggle to reconcile the two, and while many things have changed since the late 1800&#8242;s it would have been nice to another story of someone who lived both lives.</p>
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