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		<title>By: Sister Sally</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/sunday-school-lesson-37-2/#comment-212497</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach seminary in Texas and through our teacher training this year we have been taught to teach with a new emphasis.  1)Read a particular verse 2)Find a principle in that verse 3)Apply that principle to your own life.  This emphasis sounds really simple, but if you try it with your class you will truly discover feasting on the scriptures.  Your students will learn to find principles when they read on their own and they will learn how to apply those principles in their lives.  For definition, a principle is a consentrated truth, packaged for application to a wide variety of circumstances. Remember there are many principle found in a verse.  Where one student may see one principle another student may see a completely other principle.  Neither is wrong. You can spend a whole class just searching for scriptures, finding principles and then applying.  Once a student makes application in their own life they will begin testifying of its truthfulness.  Its fantastic.  Where once we as teachers were spending 80% of the time talking we are now encouraged to spend 20% of the time instructing and allowing the students to spend the remainder applying and testifying.  When one student testifies of a principle to another student it is 100% more effective than if the teacher is the one testifying.  I encourage you to select several key scriptures for your lesson and then try the new teaching emphasis.  I testify it will change the way you teach for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach seminary in Texas and through our teacher training this year we have been taught to teach with a new emphasis.  1)Read a particular verse 2)Find a principle in that verse 3)Apply that principle to your own life.  This emphasis sounds really simple, but if you try it with your class you will truly discover feasting on the scriptures.  Your students will learn to find principles when they read on their own and they will learn how to apply those principles in their lives.  For definition, a principle is a consentrated truth, packaged for application to a wide variety of circumstances. Remember there are many principle found in a verse.  Where one student may see one principle another student may see a completely other principle.  Neither is wrong. You can spend a whole class just searching for scriptures, finding principles and then applying.  Once a student makes application in their own life they will begin testifying of its truthfulness.  Its fantastic.  Where once we as teachers were spending 80% of the time talking we are now encouraged to spend 20% of the time instructing and allowing the students to spend the remainder applying and testifying.  When one student testifies of a principle to another student it is 100% more effective than if the teacher is the one testifying.  I encourage you to select several key scriptures for your lesson and then try the new teaching emphasis.  I testify it will change the way you teach for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/sunday-school-lesson-37-2/#comment-212140</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you can pretty much assume that if everyone taught youth the way that Stirling does, the activity rate would hover near 100%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you can pretty much assume that if everyone taught youth the way that Stirling does, the activity rate would hover near 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Stirling</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/sunday-school-lesson-37-2/#comment-212139</link>
		<dc:creator>Stirling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ward is several weeks behind Jim&#039;s as far as the lesson schedule, so I&#039;m joining this conversation late.  In response to your question in #1, Margaret, I also teach a youth class, and it too includes &quot;very active, easily distracted teens.&quot; 

In case it&#039;s helpful as an example (of something to follow, or to avoid), one might call my approach to engaging the youth in Isaiah (or other OT books, or ancient texts in general) as &quot;hands-on historical.&quot; 

For instance, over the last several months, we have had the following class modules components (usually while also covering the lesson material at a basic level): 

&quot;Gaining greater appreciation for the story of Job by feasting together.&quot; (Job&#039;s family is portrayed as eating at a couple feasts. We feasted with period-appropriate food and drink in class).

&quot;Old Testament-era weapons.&quot; We made leather slings, practiced slinging stones and eggs, and reviewed scriptures that discussed sling weaponry. In a different week, part II included a presentation and discussion of other biblical-era weapons (atlatl, macahuitl, battle-ax, arrows, mace, jawbone of an ass, etc. We had planned to include a quick flint-knapping lesson, but ran out of time, though I&#039;ve previously done that with younger classes.)

&quot;Hooking the Leviathan&quot; (reference comes from Job, this is a discussion and presentation of ancient fishing technology, including some hands-on bone carving). 

&quot;Understanding Isaiah by eating the foods Isaiah ate.&quot;  (We ate period-era cheeses (goat and sheep) and fish on not-so-traditional crackers. This included a quick summary of the 10,000 year hold history of the domestication of sheep, goats, cows, and the related human evolutionary changes that overcame lactose intolerance). 

&quot;Piscine practices in the OT.&quot;  (Discussion of what fish were caught and eaten in Old Testament waters, with loosely accurate fish samples (herring, snapper)).

The kids (and parents) have seemed to appreciate the historical approach. 

Another thing we try to do in each class is ask the most interesting questions the lesson matieral seems to raise. Given the texts, that has been an engaging exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ward is several weeks behind Jim&#8217;s as far as the lesson schedule, so I&#8217;m joining this conversation late.  In response to your question in #1, Margaret, I also teach a youth class, and it too includes &#8220;very active, easily distracted teens.&#8221; </p>
<p>In case it&#8217;s helpful as an example (of something to follow, or to avoid), one might call my approach to engaging the youth in Isaiah (or other OT books, or ancient texts in general) as &#8220;hands-on historical.&#8221; </p>
<p>For instance, over the last several months, we have had the following class modules components (usually while also covering the lesson material at a basic level): </p>
<p>&#8220;Gaining greater appreciation for the story of Job by feasting together.&#8221; (Job&#8217;s family is portrayed as eating at a couple feasts. We feasted with period-appropriate food and drink in class).</p>
<p>&#8220;Old Testament-era weapons.&#8221; We made leather slings, practiced slinging stones and eggs, and reviewed scriptures that discussed sling weaponry. In a different week, part II included a presentation and discussion of other biblical-era weapons (atlatl, macahuitl, battle-ax, arrows, mace, jawbone of an ass, etc. We had planned to include a quick flint-knapping lesson, but ran out of time, though I&#8217;ve previously done that with younger classes.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Hooking the Leviathan&#8221; (reference comes from Job, this is a discussion and presentation of ancient fishing technology, including some hands-on bone carving). </p>
<p>&#8220;Understanding Isaiah by eating the foods Isaiah ate.&#8221;  (We ate period-era cheeses (goat and sheep) and fish on not-so-traditional crackers. This included a quick summary of the 10,000 year hold history of the domestication of sheep, goats, cows, and the related human evolutionary changes that overcame lactose intolerance). </p>
<p>&#8220;Piscine practices in the OT.&#8221;  (Discussion of what fish were caught and eaten in Old Testament waters, with loosely accurate fish samples (herring, snapper)).</p>
<p>The kids (and parents) have seemed to appreciate the historical approach. </p>
<p>Another thing we try to do in each class is ask the most interesting questions the lesson matieral seems to raise. Given the texts, that has been an engaging exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick D</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/sunday-school-lesson-37-2/#comment-211938</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I just missed it somewhere above, but, did y\&#039;all miss Isaiah 30:25?  \&quot;... the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.\&quot;  I didn\&#039;t see any comments above on this.  I did see comments regarding Egypt, Judah, Jerusalem, Assyria and events of the past.  But what of today?  Recall the Lord\&#039;s words in 3 Ne 23:1-3, \&quot;... therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles. And all things that he spake have been and shall be, even according to the words which he spake.\&quot;  That which occured in the past (have been) will repeat in the future (shall be).  In our day the towers did fall and great was the slaughter on September 11th (World Trade Center towers and thousands dead).  

Just one of the keys to understanding Isaiah is understanding the past events Isaiah spoke of.  Understanding those past events enables us to understand the significance of the events occuring in the latter days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I just missed it somewhere above, but, did y\&#8217;all miss Isaiah 30:25?  \&#8221;&#8230; the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.\&#8221;  I didn\&#8217;t see any comments above on this.  I did see comments regarding Egypt, Judah, Jerusalem, Assyria and events of the past.  But what of today?  Recall the Lord\&#8217;s words in 3 Ne 23:1-3, \&#8221;&#8230; therefore it must needs be that he must speak also to the Gentiles. And all things that he spake have been and shall be, even according to the words which he spake.\&#8221;  That which occured in the past (have been) will repeat in the future (shall be).  In our day the towers did fall and great was the slaughter on September 11th (World Trade Center towers and thousands dead).  </p>
<p>Just one of the keys to understanding Isaiah is understanding the past events Isaiah spoke of.  Understanding those past events enables us to understand the significance of the events occuring in the latter days.</p>
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		<title>By: nhilton</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/sunday-school-lesson-37-2/#comment-211060</link>
		<dc:creator>nhilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This week my freshman BYU student was called to teach Gospel Doctrine to her BYU ward.  Ha!  She called me right after receiving the calling and was excited, nervous, etc.  Her biggest worry was that she&#039;d cry when bearing her testimony in class.  : )   It has been a treat having her in my GD class since she turned 18 in May.   I miss her!   As we talked about the lesson we&#039;d both be teaching  (Isaiah) , it was forefront in our minds what different audiences we would each be teaching.  It is challenging that the same church manual is used for ages 12 to adult, but wonderful that we all be studying the same section of scripture.  Our Sunday dinner conversations have been wonderful moments in which we all discuss the same scripture stories/ideas.   I found the question in the institute manual a universally appropriate attention getter for teaching Isaiah: &quot;Did anyone ever recommend a book to you?  Did it make any difference WHO recommended it?  Did the recommendation influence your feelings toward the book?  Ponder the following recommendation:  3 Ne. 23:1.&quot;  Thank you for your ideas on bringing Isaiah alive for your students and kudos to all of you striving to touch the hearts of your individual students!  May the HG be with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week my freshman BYU student was called to teach Gospel Doctrine to her BYU ward.  Ha!  She called me right after receiving the calling and was excited, nervous, etc.  Her biggest worry was that she&#8217;d cry when bearing her testimony in class.  : )   It has been a treat having her in my GD class since she turned 18 in May.   I miss her!   As we talked about the lesson we&#8217;d both be teaching  (Isaiah) , it was forefront in our minds what different audiences we would each be teaching.  It is challenging that the same church manual is used for ages 12 to adult, but wonderful that we all be studying the same section of scripture.  Our Sunday dinner conversations have been wonderful moments in which we all discuss the same scripture stories/ideas.   I found the question in the institute manual a universally appropriate attention getter for teaching Isaiah: &#8220;Did anyone ever recommend a book to you?  Did it make any difference WHO recommended it?  Did the recommendation influence your feelings toward the book?  Ponder the following recommendation:  3 Ne. 23:1.&#8221;  Thank you for your ideas on bringing Isaiah alive for your students and kudos to all of you striving to touch the hearts of your individual students!  May the HG be with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/sunday-school-lesson-37-2/#comment-211037</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Eliakim is a type of the Savior. What righteous person isn&#039;t?  A better type of question is what kind of type of the Savior is he? Or in other words, who has had a comparable mission in the past.

The first four parallels that come to mind: Enoch, Moses, Elijah, and John the Baptist.

The next four parallels: Melchizedek, Abraham, Cyrus, and Hezekiah.

Now Shebna is a type of one man in particular: Lucifer, but also all unrighteous claimants to the throne or the keys of the Priesthood. So that means just about any unrighteous / worldly king since the world began, or any comparable combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Eliakim is a type of the Savior. What righteous person isn&#8217;t?  A better type of question is what kind of type of the Savior is he? Or in other words, who has had a comparable mission in the past.</p>
<p>The first four parallels that come to mind: Enoch, Moses, Elijah, and John the Baptist.</p>
<p>The next four parallels: Melchizedek, Abraham, Cyrus, and Hezekiah.</p>
<p>Now Shebna is a type of one man in particular: Lucifer, but also all unrighteous claimants to the throne or the keys of the Priesthood. So that means just about any unrighteous / worldly king since the world began, or any comparable combination.</p>
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		<title>By: RebeccaL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RebeccaL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 05:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach the adults, but have served in Young Women&#039;s many times.  My impression follows that stated by Jim that we do a serious disservice to our youth in assuming that they need to be entertained IF that comes at the expense of not being taught. 

I have always found that the more challenging I make the thinking, the more attention I get from my class, from Primary on up.  I like to ask the questions [and I do NOT mean factual questions] and then put my class on the front line for answers.   As teachers we may need to give them the resources and support to come up with those answers.  The best thing about hard thinking with teens is that they are confronted with the stunning insight that they DON&#039;T know everything.   In fact, it is a lesson in becoming teachable, and in avoiding the glib answers they have (unfortunately) been taught to give.   I believe they will respond to the respect they perceive, the respect that is based on the faith that they are capable and responsible moral beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach the adults, but have served in Young Women&#8217;s many times.  My impression follows that stated by Jim that we do a serious disservice to our youth in assuming that they need to be entertained IF that comes at the expense of not being taught. </p>
<p>I have always found that the more challenging I make the thinking, the more attention I get from my class, from Primary on up.  I like to ask the questions [and I do NOT mean factual questions] and then put my class on the front line for answers.   As teachers we may need to give them the resources and support to come up with those answers.  The best thing about hard thinking with teens is that they are confronted with the stunning insight that they DON&#8217;T know everything.   In fact, it is a lesson in becoming teachable, and in avoiding the glib answers they have (unfortunately) been taught to give.   I believe they will respond to the respect they perceive, the respect that is based on the faith that they are capable and responsible moral beings.</p>
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		<title>By: MW*</title>
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		<dc:creator>MW*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I do love that you post this stuff. It is very useful background material for My two kids who are Fact Gatherers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I do love that you post this stuff. It is very useful background material for My two kids who are Fact Gatherers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MW*: I don&#039;t think that your teenagers are the only ones who prefer to know how the scriptures apply to them and their lives. I think that also describes my adult class, at least half of whom are over 60. And I think that is probably the most important thing I can teach in Sunday School. 

That&#039;s why I intend these materials as study materials rather than lesson materials. I hope they will help those who read them study the material better, will help them get more out of their study of the material assigned for Sunday School, but I don&#039;t have any illusions that using them will make our lessons, whether for youth or adults, any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW*: I don&#8217;t think that your teenagers are the only ones who prefer to know how the scriptures apply to them and their lives. I think that also describes my adult class, at least half of whom are over 60. And I think that is probably the most important thing I can teach in Sunday School. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I intend these materials as study materials rather than lesson materials. I hope they will help those who read them study the material better, will help them get more out of their study of the material assigned for Sunday School, but I don&#8217;t have any illusions that using them will make our lessons, whether for youth or adults, any better.</p>
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		<title>By: MW*</title>
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		<dc:creator>MW*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach the 16-18 year olds, and I have a big mix of desires in my group. I have a few kids who want the in depth &quot;this will make me look smart if I know these deep facts&quot; lesson material. I have a few kids who don&#039;t want to be there at all and think the church isn&#039;t true, but to keep their cell phone, they come to church. And I have a few kids who are acclimated to the idea that Church can&#039;t give you an F so Sunday School is just a social hour with their friends. Almost all my kids fall into this last group some percentage of the time.

Balancing the needs of these groups can be challenging. 

The number one thing I try to think of is how to make my lessons valuable to the kids. The best Lessons I have had was when I used the idea of David and Bathsheba to teach the kids to think before they speak or act and challenge them that week with the good old committment pattern. Kids actually came back remembering their committment weeks later and saying they were trying. 

For Isaiah 1-6, I did a very technical lesson(I had ten pages of material and went over ever difference between Isaiah and the Nephi chapters), which got a mixed response, but ended ok but not great. My kids and I have a good relationship (I am in Texas, so on average I only have 5-6) so I got solid feed back that the majority prefer more about how the scriptures apply to them and their life right now than to what their historical significance and context are. 

This week, I&#039;ll be teaching this lesson, but I am going to focus on the Idea that Christ can wipe away all of our tears and how we can help that happen. I&#039;ll probably discuss how the atonement covers sins against us, and what the Arbinger Institute calls &quot;Self-betrayal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach the 16-18 year olds, and I have a big mix of desires in my group. I have a few kids who want the in depth &#8220;this will make me look smart if I know these deep facts&#8221; lesson material. I have a few kids who don&#8217;t want to be there at all and think the church isn&#8217;t true, but to keep their cell phone, they come to church. And I have a few kids who are acclimated to the idea that Church can&#8217;t give you an F so Sunday School is just a social hour with their friends. Almost all my kids fall into this last group some percentage of the time.</p>
<p>Balancing the needs of these groups can be challenging. </p>
<p>The number one thing I try to think of is how to make my lessons valuable to the kids. The best Lessons I have had was when I used the idea of David and Bathsheba to teach the kids to think before they speak or act and challenge them that week with the good old committment pattern. Kids actually came back remembering their committment weeks later and saying they were trying. </p>
<p>For Isaiah 1-6, I did a very technical lesson(I had ten pages of material and went over ever difference between Isaiah and the Nephi chapters), which got a mixed response, but ended ok but not great. My kids and I have a good relationship (I am in Texas, so on average I only have 5-6) so I got solid feed back that the majority prefer more about how the scriptures apply to them and their life right now than to what their historical significance and context are. </p>
<p>This week, I&#8217;ll be teaching this lesson, but I am going to focus on the Idea that Christ can wipe away all of our tears and how we can help that happen. I&#8217;ll probably discuss how the atonement covers sins against us, and what the Arbinger Institute calls &#8220;Self-betrayal&#8221;.</p>
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