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	<title>Comments on: Dear U.S. Senators Bennett, Crapo, Hatch, Smith, and U.S. Representatives Bishop, Cannon, Doolittle, Flake, Gibbons, Herger, Istook, Matheson, McKeon, Simpson:</title>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said above (#96), there was a suggestion made to close down the comments on this thread before general conference began. So this will be the last comment on this thread. To all those who contributed, my thanks. (If there are many requests to do so, perhaps the comments will be re-opened after the weekend.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said above (#96), there was a suggestion made to close down the comments on this thread before general conference began. So this will be the last comment on this thread. To all those who contributed, my thanks. (If there are many requests to do so, perhaps the comments will be re-opened after the weekend.)</p>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you. Not with your description of the procedure, but that this gives anything but faint lip service to protecting a defendant&#039;s right to a fair trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you. Not with your description of the procedure, but that this gives anything but faint lip service to protecting a defendant&#8217;s right to a fair trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern is that &quot;ordinary&quot; habeas review isn&#039;t much of a review at all.  Same with the grounds for reversal on direct appeals. It&#039;s an empty right, although Hamdi was a pleasant surprise:

&quot;Striking the proper constitutional balance here is of great importance to the Nation during this period of ongoing combat. But it is equally vital that our calculus not give short shrift to the values that this country holds dear or to the privilege that is American citizenship. It is during our most challenging and uncertain moments that our Nationâ€™s commitment to due process is most severely tested; and it is in those times that we must preserve our commitment at home to the principles for which we fight abroad.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern is that &#8220;ordinary&#8221; habeas review isn&#8217;t much of a review at all.  Same with the grounds for reversal on direct appeals. It&#8217;s an empty right, although Hamdi was a pleasant surprise:</p>
<p>&#8220;Striking the proper constitutional balance here is of great importance to the Nation during this period of ongoing combat. But it is equally vital that our calculus not give short shrift to the values that this country holds dear or to the privilege that is American citizenship. It is during our most challenging and uncertain moments that our Nationâ€™s commitment to due process is most severely tested; and it is in those times that we must preserve our commitment at home to the principles for which we fight abroad.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate:

&quot;I donâ€™t think that any of the legal scholars you are citing think that the bill allows U.S. citizens to be detained without access to a probable cause hearing subject to review by an Article III court.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ackerman28sep28,0,619852.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bruce Ackerman&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;BURIED IN THE complex Senate compromise on detainee treatment is a real shocker, reaching far beyond the legal struggles about foreign terrorist suspects in the Guantanamo Bay fortress. The compromise legislation....authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers &lt;i&gt;or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights&lt;/i&gt;. This dangerous compromise not only authorizes the president to seize and hold terrorists who have fought against our troops &#039;during an armed conflict,&#039; it also allows him to seize anybody who has &#039;purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.&#039; This grants the president enormous power over citizens and legal residents. They can be designated as enemy combatants if they have contributed money to a Middle Eastern charity, and they can be held indefinitely in a military prison.&quot;

There&#039;s a lot more where that came from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate:</p>
<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t think that any of the legal scholars you are citing think that the bill allows U.S. citizens to be detained without access to a probable cause hearing subject to review by an Article III court.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ackerman28sep28,0,619852.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail" rel="nofollow">Bruce Ackerman</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;BURIED IN THE complex Senate compromise on detainee treatment is a real shocker, reaching far beyond the legal struggles about foreign terrorist suspects in the Guantanamo Bay fortress. The compromise legislation&#8230;.authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers <i>or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights</i>. This dangerous compromise not only authorizes the president to seize and hold terrorists who have fought against our troops &#8216;during an armed conflict,&#8217; it also allows him to seize anybody who has &#8216;purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.&#8217; This grants the president enormous power over citizens and legal residents. They can be designated as enemy combatants if they have contributed money to a Middle Eastern charity, and they can be held indefinitely in a military prison.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot more where that came from.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/dear-us-senators-bennett-crapo-hatch-smith-and-us-representatives-bishop-cannon-doolittle-flake-gibbons-herger-istook-mckeon-simpson/#comment-211568</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/dear-us-senators-bennett-crapo-hatch-smith-and-us-representatives-bishop-cannon-doolittle-flake-gibbons-herger-istook-mckeon-simpson/#comment-211567</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/09/dear-us-senators-bennett-crapo-hatch-smith-and-us-representatives-bishop-cannon-doolittle-flake-gibbons-herger-istook-mckeon-simpson/#comment-211565</link>
		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#97 - _Miranda_ warnings (including right to counsel present during all custodial interrogations), Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures with corresponding fruit of the poisonous tree exclusions, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#97 &#8211; _Miranda_ warnings (including right to counsel present during all custodial interrogations), Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures with corresponding fruit of the poisonous tree exclusions, etc.</p>
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