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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/gay-mormon-and-married/#comment-207659</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, time to close comments.  Thanks, all, for an interesting discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, time to close comments.  Thanks, all, for an interesting discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi Wenger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/gay-mormon-and-married/#comment-207654</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi Wenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

I don&#039;t know what to say, except, that&#039;s awful.  Thanks for sharing your story, and I&#039;m sorry that you and your wife (and friends) had to suffer through that.  I think most of us would hate for our own own struggles to become the subject of nasty anonymous letters.  God bless you and your family.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what to say, except, that&#8217;s awful.  Thanks for sharing your story, and I&#8217;m sorry that you and your wife (and friends) had to suffer through that.  I think most of us would hate for our own own struggles to become the subject of nasty anonymous letters.  God bless you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeInWeHo</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/gay-mormon-and-married/#comment-207653</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeInWeHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(triangle)</description>
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		<title>By: MikeInWeHo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeInWeHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Christensen will be put on some kind of list (or his church records notated and his callings restricted) because of the Tribune article?  That is kinda creepy.  Maybe they should put a little pink triange on his TR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Christensen will be put on some kind of list (or his church records notated and his callings restricted) because of the Tribune article?  That is kinda creepy.  Maybe they should put a little pink triange on his TR.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven B</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/gay-mormon-and-married/#comment-207646</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, This woman is being treated like a sex offender. Her orientation is notated on her church membership records. The men mentioned in the Tribune article will be likewise treated by the church. It is a matter of church policy. Unfortunately, the church leadership still seem to see homosexuals as preditory. Does it surprise us that the Church continues to oppose SSM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, This woman is being treated like a sex offender. Her orientation is notated on her church membership records. The men mentioned in the Tribune article will be likewise treated by the church. It is a matter of church policy. Unfortunately, the church leadership still seem to see homosexuals as preditory. Does it surprise us that the Church continues to oppose SSM?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/gay-mormon-and-married/#comment-207640</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why marriage has to be perfect.

&quot;I can never have an ideal marriage&quot; seems like a poor reason to blow it off. Lack of sexual intimacy is likewise no reason to dismiss marriage. It is about so much more than the sex. It&#039;s about shared goals and respect.

If you have those two things, you can get along without love. I&#039;m not saying it isn&#039;t hard. But it can be fulfilling. Who cares if it doesn&#039;t match-up with Hollywood.

If I can&#039;t have committed love, I&#039;d settle for committed friendship and mutual respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why marriage has to be perfect.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can never have an ideal marriage&#8221; seems like a poor reason to blow it off. Lack of sexual intimacy is likewise no reason to dismiss marriage. It is about so much more than the sex. It&#8217;s about shared goals and respect.</p>
<p>If you have those two things, you can get along without love. I&#8217;m not saying it isn&#8217;t hard. But it can be fulfilling. Who cares if it doesn&#8217;t match-up with Hollywood.</p>
<p>If I can&#8217;t have committed love, I&#8217;d settle for committed friendship and mutual respect.</p>
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		<title>By: CS Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago, I was assigned as a home teacher to a family where the wife had recently been excommunicated for having a homosexual relationship with another church member in our small district.  If I remember it right, she was the other lady&#039;s visiting teacher, and was called to be the District Relief Society President before her court. 

Our families became friends, and this sister became my wife&#039;s best friend.  We even traveled with them when she had her temple blessings reinstated.  They served in the Young Women&#039;s presidency for a while, until a combination of the District President&#039;s learning of Church policy that sisters excommunicated for similar reasons cannot serve in the Young Women as soon as she had after getting the temple blessings restored and a series of nasty anonymous letters about both of them drove them out of the Young Women&#039;s program and then apart as friends.

I don&#039;t know who thought they were doing the girls&#039; families a favor by anonymously revealing both her and my wife&#039;s darkest secrets, but it even got to the point that her husband asked me if I were concerned about my wife&#039;s spending so much time with her.   I don&#039;t know what it did to her two kids, whose friends&#039; families all got copies of the letter warning them about their mother.  It is tough enough being a teenager in the Church without your mother&#039;s ambiguous sexual orientation thrown at you.  That cowardly condemnation of these her and my wife&#039;s struggles was also was a big reason behind both our families&#039; moving out of state within a couple of months of each other.  

This wonderful woman and her husband decided to stay together, even though she admits feeling attracted to other women.  I grieve for her struggle, and I grieve for the loss of friendship that her anonymous &quot;outing&quot; cost all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago, I was assigned as a home teacher to a family where the wife had recently been excommunicated for having a homosexual relationship with another church member in our small district.  If I remember it right, she was the other lady&#8217;s visiting teacher, and was called to be the District Relief Society President before her court. </p>
<p>Our families became friends, and this sister became my wife&#8217;s best friend.  We even traveled with them when she had her temple blessings reinstated.  They served in the Young Women&#8217;s presidency for a while, until a combination of the District President&#8217;s learning of Church policy that sisters excommunicated for similar reasons cannot serve in the Young Women as soon as she had after getting the temple blessings restored and a series of nasty anonymous letters about both of them drove them out of the Young Women&#8217;s program and then apart as friends.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who thought they were doing the girls&#8217; families a favor by anonymously revealing both her and my wife&#8217;s darkest secrets, but it even got to the point that her husband asked me if I were concerned about my wife&#8217;s spending so much time with her.   I don&#8217;t know what it did to her two kids, whose friends&#8217; families all got copies of the letter warning them about their mother.  It is tough enough being a teenager in the Church without your mother&#8217;s ambiguous sexual orientation thrown at you.  That cowardly condemnation of these her and my wife&#8217;s struggles was also was a big reason behind both our families&#8217; moving out of state within a couple of months of each other.  </p>
<p>This wonderful woman and her husband decided to stay together, even though she admits feeling attracted to other women.  I grieve for her struggle, and I grieve for the loss of friendship that her anonymous &#8220;outing&#8221; cost all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am getting tired of Gay SSM threads.&quot;

Me too.  We need more Hetero SSM threads around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am getting tired of Gay SSM threads.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too.  We need more Hetero SSM threads around here.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeInWeHo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeInWeHo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, bbell (although apparently not tired enough to shut up!  : ).  The SSM threads remind me of the threads on the israel/palestine issue.  Both inevitably go round-and-round-and-round but never really go anywhere.  Has anybody else noticed the similarity?  Why does this occur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, bbell (although apparently not tired enough to shut up!  : ).  The SSM threads remind me of the threads on the israel/palestine issue.  Both inevitably go round-and-round-and-round but never really go anywhere.  Has anybody else noticed the similarity?  Why does this occur?</p>
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		<title>By: bbell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/08/gay-mormon-and-married/#comment-207623</link>
		<dc:creator>bbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,

I am surprised that this Brother came out like this to the SLTRIB.  

I have no idea how this will turn out and neither do you.  I do not feel like its the ideal situation.  If I was the wife&#039;s parents I would be very concerned.

I am getting tired of Gay SSM threads</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,</p>
<p>I am surprised that this Brother came out like this to the SLTRIB.  </p>
<p>I have no idea how this will turn out and neither do you.  I do not feel like its the ideal situation.  If I was the wife&#8217;s parents I would be very concerned.</p>
<p>I am getting tired of Gay SSM threads</p>
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