Comments on: Who took the LD out of LDS? http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:49:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Harold B. Curtis http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207852 Harold B. Curtis Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:30:40 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207852 A few millenial musings by HBC Savior returns in Glory...... Saviour comes as a thief in the night...... Saviour comes suddenly to his temple..... Saviour comes to Isles of the sea...... Saviour stands on Mount of Olives.... Saviour reigns over his saints...... Saviour is in our midst and we see Him not...... I am with you be not afraid..... Saviour teaches lessons with thunders and lightning, seas over heaving bounds etc..... Saviour speaks with still small voice of perfect mildness...... As ye see him go into heaven so shall ye see Him come in like manner..... The lamb only is worthy to open the seals....... ...and now He has come again... Pres. Hinckley on the first vision ....the time has come........to prepare... for the millenial destiny of the Church.... Pres Hinckley ...take the temples to the people....the Lord reigns among his people.. The House of The Lord, is it an empty house or is Christ really there? If Christ is there, then is He here? If He is here then can I accept His presence. If I can accept His presence can I accept that the millenium can begin for me when I want it to. Yes I know that there is a period of time of a thousand years (most likely Jewish calendar years not Gregorian), when peace will reign on earth, but really the only real peace on earth flows from the Prince of Peace, and we have everything necessary to enjoy that peace, and hence the millenium. Is the millenium a state of personal worthiness, that some people live in, while others wait for it to happen? Millenial musings indeed. HBC A few millenial musings by HBC

Savior returns in Glory……
Saviour comes as a thief in the night……
Saviour comes suddenly to his temple…..
Saviour comes to Isles of the sea……
Saviour stands on Mount of Olives….

Saviour reigns over his saints……
Saviour is in our midst and we see Him not……
I am with you be not afraid…..
Saviour teaches lessons with thunders and lightning, seas over heaving bounds etc…..
Saviour speaks with still small voice of perfect mildness……

As ye see him go into heaven so shall ye see Him come in like manner…..
The lamb only is worthy to open the seals…….
…and now He has come again… Pres. Hinckley on the first vision
….the time has come……..to prepare… for the millenial destiny of the Church…. Pres Hinckley
…take the temples to the people….the Lord reigns among his people..

The House of The Lord, is it an empty house or is Christ really there? If Christ is there, then is He here? If He is here then can I accept His presence. If I can accept His presence can I accept that the millenium can begin for me when I want it to. Yes I know that there is a period of time of a thousand years (most likely Jewish calendar years not Gregorian), when peace will reign on earth, but really the only real peace on earth flows from the Prince of Peace, and we have everything necessary to enjoy that peace, and hence the millenium.

Is the millenium a state of personal worthiness, that some people live in, while others wait for it to happen?

Millenial musings indeed.

HBC

]]> By: Seth R. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207826 Seth R. Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:12:47 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207826 Well, I suppose that was being a bit harsh of me. Sorry for driving off the readership Kaimi. I'd apologize to Keszaya too, but apparently they're no longer with us. Well, I suppose that was being a bit harsh of me.

Sorry for driving off the readership Kaimi. I’d apologize to Keszaya too, but apparently they’re no longer with us.

]]> By: Keszaya http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207825 Keszaya Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:43:49 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207825 Wow. A couple of friends advised me that this was a website I should check out where people shared candid opinions in an open and respectful way. I'm here for 2 days and already being personally attacked. Fantastic. Don't bother responding Seth R.. I'll certainly never be back to this site again to read it. Peace be with you. Wow. A couple of friends advised me that this was a website I should check out where people shared candid opinions in an open and respectful way. I’m here for 2 days and already being personally attacked. Fantastic. Don’t bother responding Seth R.. I’ll certainly never be back to this site again to read it. Peace be with you.

]]> By: Seth R. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207818 Seth R. Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:37:32 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207818 Keszaya I'm sorry to hear that the D&C has been making you look bad in front of your friends. Heaven forbid that religion should have the presumption to "cramp my style." Keszaya

I’m sorry to hear that the D&C has been making you look bad in front of your friends.

Heaven forbid that religion should have the presumption to “cramp my style.”

]]> By: Keszaya http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207816 Keszaya Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:57:04 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207816 The presumption, dear #92, is in assuming an event whose scheduled arrival is known only to God himself, not even to his Son, is "probably going to happen in my lifetime, for sure my kids will see it at least." The members of the early Christian church believed themselves to be latter-day saints as much as the members of the church of the restoration who appended the Latter-Day Saints business to the Church's name during the Kirkland years. The presumption, dear #92, is in assuming an event whose scheduled arrival is known only to God himself, not even to his Son, is “probably going to happen in my lifetime, for sure my kids will see it at least.” The members of the early Christian church believed themselves to be latter-day saints as much as the members of the church of the restoration who appended the Latter-Day Saints business to the Church’s name during the Kirkland years.

]]> By: Mark Butler http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207813 Mark Butler Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:54:42 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207813 It doesn't matter whether it starts tommorrow or a century from now, the Lord's strange act in bringing about the redemption of Zion is a prominent theme in all scripture. There is no presumption about it. God has spoken his will, and he is powerful unto the fulfilling of all his words. The only question is time. To divorce the Latter-Day Saints from the Latter Days would destroy our very purpose - we are here to bring about the redemption of Israel, first spiritually, and then temporally, and to invite all others to come in to the terms and the blessings of the covenant. <blockquote> Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. (Jer 16:14-15) </blockquote> It doesn’t matter whether it starts tommorrow or a century from now, the Lord’s strange act in bringing about the redemption of Zion is a prominent theme in all scripture. There is no presumption about it. God has spoken his will, and he is powerful unto the fulfilling of all his words. The only question is time. To divorce the Latter-Day Saints from the Latter Days would destroy our very purpose – we are here to bring about the redemption of Israel, first spiritually, and then temporally, and to invite all others to come in to the terms and the blessings of the covenant.

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
(Jer 16:14-15)

]]> By: Keszaya http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207810 Keszaya Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:03:44 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207810 I, for one, am glad to see the millenialism go. I've always cringed a bit at the LD part. The latter day rhetoric has always seemed a trifle presumptuous, negative, and frankly cultist to me. Perhaps it has seemed so since people started using it almost 2000 years ago. I date of the world's end is of little interest to me, but I am bothered by assertions that it's to be expected soon. I hear it stated as a patent truism that calamity and violence are *increasing* but I'm not convinced. The history of the world is the history of warfare, and yet, every report of unrest on the nightly news in the 1990s was taken as a sign of the times prompting one or all of the Three Nephites to hitch a ride on I-15 and tell the drivers to get their year's supply laid by. Despite what my sunday school teachers say, I've yet to see good hard numbers showing an increase in calamities and violence. Are there more earthquakes nowadays or are there more and better seismic activity measurers reporting? I really would be interested to know if anyone's done any rigorous investigation into the premise that the world is becoming more wicked. How does present day humanity compare to the 11th and 12th centuries, for instance? Is reality television really a better candidate for one of the four horseman of the apocalypse than the extraordinarily violent and widespread practice of human sacrifice among the Mayans and Aztecs? Ed Johnson had better weigh in on this. I, for one, am glad to see the millenialism go. I’ve always cringed a bit at the LD part. The latter day rhetoric has always seemed a trifle presumptuous, negative, and frankly cultist to me. Perhaps it has seemed so since people started using it almost 2000 years ago.

I date of the world’s end is of little interest to me, but I am bothered by assertions that it’s to be expected soon. I hear it stated as a patent truism that calamity and violence are *increasing* but I’m not convinced. The history of the world is the history of warfare, and yet, every report of unrest on the nightly news in the 1990s was taken as a sign of the times prompting one or all of the Three Nephites to hitch a ride on I-15 and tell the drivers to get their year’s supply laid by.

Despite what my sunday school teachers say, I’ve yet to see good hard numbers showing an increase in calamities and violence. Are there more earthquakes nowadays or are there more and better seismic activity measurers reporting? I really would be interested to know if anyone’s done any rigorous investigation into the premise that the world is becoming more wicked. How does present day humanity compare to the 11th and 12th centuries, for instance? Is reality television really a better candidate for one of the four horseman of the apocalypse than the extraordinarily violent and widespread practice of human sacrifice among the Mayans and Aztecs?

Ed Johnson had better weigh in on this.

]]> By: Kruiser http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207806 Kruiser Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:38:09 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207806 Is it possible that Zionism has a place in LDS vocabulary? Perhaps it should be called New Zionism to distinguish it from the Zionism that created the State of Israel. When we use the word Zion, we have various definitions of it which I will not repeat - we know what they are. I am looking for a common denominator to describe the many expressions of Zion that have come to us. It might be to get away from the world, to be left alone to pursue new approaches to life. From the Jewish state to the Ward meetinghouse this sentiment arises. Can we learn something from our Zionist past to apply in the last days (the future)? If the last days are going to be tough, modern life as we know it, may collapse, but civilized life does not have to. Sometime, about halfway between here and there (see #80), this people may be called upon to preserve the Constitution. What purpose would that serve? It could be to help maintain civilized life in many places throughout the world. What role do we play in it? New Zionism attempts to address this question and many others like it. Look to the future. Is it possible that Zionism has a place in LDS vocabulary? Perhaps it should be called New Zionism to distinguish it from the Zionism that created the State of Israel. When we use the word Zion, we have various definitions of it which I will not repeat – we know what they are. I am looking for a common denominator to describe the many expressions of Zion that have come to us. It might be to get away from the world, to be left alone to pursue new approaches to life. From the Jewish state to the Ward meetinghouse this sentiment arises. Can we learn something from our Zionist past to apply in the last days (the future)?

If the last days are going to be tough, modern life as we know it, may collapse, but civilized life does not have to. Sometime, about halfway between here and there (see #80), this people may be called upon to preserve the Constitution. What purpose would that serve? It could be to help maintain civilized life in many places throughout the world. What role do we play in it? New Zionism attempts to address this question and many others like it. Look to the future.

]]> By: Mark Butler http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207798 Mark Butler Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:12:32 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207798 I imagine he has plans for a further 10-100x speedup, based on spiritual considerations, sort of like the days of Enoch. It is what Joseph Smith was trying to accomplish, same with Birgham Young, and John Taylor, ... For whatever reason our return / reunification with general society seems to have been a good thing, but now a new point of departure (culturally and spiritually) seems to be upon us. There are dozens of prophecies that Joseph Smith wanted to fulfil while he was here on the earth, that now he will direct from heaven (unless somehow he is resurrected before everyone else, like Parley Pratt seemed to think) - e.g. D&C 103:16-20, 3 Ne 20:42-26, 3 Ne 21:23-29, D&C 77:14, D&C 113:8, Rom 11:26, Joel 2:28-32, and so many more. I imagine he has plans for a further 10-100x speedup, based on spiritual considerations, sort of like the days of Enoch. It is what Joseph Smith was trying to accomplish, same with Birgham Young, and John Taylor, … For whatever reason our return / reunification with general society seems to have been a good thing, but now a new point of departure (culturally and spiritually) seems to be upon us.

There are dozens of prophecies that Joseph Smith wanted to fulfil while he was here on the earth, that now he will direct from heaven (unless somehow he is resurrected before everyone else, like Parley Pratt seemed to think) – e.g. D&C 103:16-20, 3 Ne 20:42-26, 3 Ne 21:23-29, D&C 77:14, D&C 113:8, Rom 11:26, Joel 2:28-32, and so many more.

]]> By: Kruiser http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/06/who-took-the-ld-out-of-lds/#comment-207797 Kruiser Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:57:25 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3265#comment-207797 Is there such a thing as Zionism in our way of thinking? Or perhaps call it New Zionism to distinguish it from the old Zionism that created the State of Israel. When we use the word Zion we have our various definitions, but I will not repeat them here, we all know what they are. I am trying to find a common denominator in the various expressions of Zionism. From the Jewish state to the Ward meetinghouse, it seems like an attitude of getting away from the world to be left alone to conceive of better things. Is there something that we can learn from past Zionist efforts to incorporate in our own lives? If we are faced with the negatives of the last days, how will we handle it? Modern life, as we know it, may disappear, but civilized life does not have to. Somewhere, perhaps half way from here to there (#80), this people may step forth to preserve the Constitution. What purpose would that serve? Could it be to help maintain civilized life in many places throughout the world? I do not yet have a clue on how to preserve a constitution, but this might be one of many subjects New Zionism might concern itself with. Think of the future. Is there such a thing as Zionism in our way of thinking? Or perhaps call it New Zionism to distinguish it from the old Zionism that created the State of Israel. When we use the word Zion we have our various definitions, but I will not repeat them here, we all know what they are. I am trying to find a common denominator in the various expressions of Zionism. From the Jewish state to the Ward meetinghouse, it seems like an attitude of getting away from the world to be left alone to conceive of better things. Is there something that we can learn from past Zionist efforts to incorporate in our own lives?

If we are faced with the negatives of the last days, how will we handle it? Modern life, as we know it, may disappear, but civilized life does not have to. Somewhere, perhaps half way from here to there (#80), this people may step forth to preserve the Constitution. What purpose would that serve? Could it be to help maintain civilized life in many places throughout the world? I do not yet have a clue on how to preserve a constitution, but this might be one of many subjects New Zionism might concern itself with. Think of the future.

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