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		<title>By: Tracy Hall</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-153829</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 23:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only lived in my ward for seven years -- far too new to have my own spot in a rural Utah ward where you need a wall-sized pedigree chart to figure out who is who&#039;s cousin.

My wife and I, empty-nesters, prefer two to four rows back, left, right, or center -- whatever is open.  These zones are usually somewhat in flux.  Front row, center, is occupied by a family with nine children, always on time, who have somehow always found the spot available, wherever they&#039;ve lived.

There was a similar thread, &quot;Jumping Pews -- Protocol question&quot; on soc.religion.mormon last year, with a number of hilarious contributions.  My favorite was the stake patriarch who signaled to a brother to reclaim his spot when the &quot;usurper&quot; vacated it to give the opening prayer.  (#19: Search 11bijeo730o4jd5 on Google Groups).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only lived in my ward for seven years &#8212; far too new to have my own spot in a rural Utah ward where you need a wall-sized pedigree chart to figure out who is who&#8217;s cousin.</p>
<p>My wife and I, empty-nesters, prefer two to four rows back, left, right, or center &#8212; whatever is open.  These zones are usually somewhat in flux.  Front row, center, is occupied by a family with nine children, always on time, who have somehow always found the spot available, wherever they&#8217;ve lived.</p>
<p>There was a similar thread, &#8220;Jumping Pews &#8212; Protocol question&#8221; on soc.religion.mormon last year, with a number of hilarious contributions.  My favorite was the stake patriarch who signaled to a brother to reclaim his spot when the &#8220;usurper&#8221; vacated it to give the opening prayer.  (#19: Search 11bijeo730o4jd5 on Google Groups).</p>
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		<title>By: Tona</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-141013</link>
		<dc:creator>Tona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I&#039;m still thinking about this thread. Your post makes me sad. I wish there was a second &quot;alternative Church archives&quot; where all that kind of stuff could be sent - all the notes, the handouts, the bulletins, the visual aids, the handwritten choir arrangements, the disciplinary council notes, photos, recipe books, the acrylic grapes, the detrius of a people. The LDS &quot;midden,&quot; and I further wish that it was open to anyone who wanted to come look. And, of course, that it was digitized and word-searchable, too. But I know you&#039;re right... so much of that stuff languished in boxes on non-archival paper, was cared about at the time and then seen as insignificant a generation later, and disappeared from our collective artifacts without a trace, and therefore from our collective memory and our ability to learn from it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I&#8217;m still thinking about this thread. Your post makes me sad. I wish there was a second &#8220;alternative Church archives&#8221; where all that kind of stuff could be sent &#8211; all the notes, the handouts, the bulletins, the visual aids, the handwritten choir arrangements, the disciplinary council notes, photos, recipe books, the acrylic grapes, the detrius of a people. The LDS &#8220;midden,&#8221; and I further wish that it was open to anyone who wanted to come look. And, of course, that it was digitized and word-searchable, too. But I know you&#8217;re right&#8230; so much of that stuff languished in boxes on non-archival paper, was cared about at the time and then seen as insignificant a generation later, and disappeared from our collective artifacts without a trace, and therefore from our collective memory and our ability to learn from it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-138679</link>
		<dc:creator>Giovanni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 14:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my Stake, the back rows are the &quot;evil&quot; seats.  

Over the past several years I have been lectured to by ushers &quot;You must be one of those back seat Mormons!  Let me find a seat up front for you&quot;, encouraged to repentance by a Stake President &quot;Sit up here in the middle rows with me&quot; (then he left me there), openly scorned &quot;What are you doing sitting in the back row!?&quot;, etc......

There are many reasons for my preferrence for the back row seats (I could list about 8 or 10), but my comment is,

&quot;If these seats are so evil, let&#039;s take them out right away!&quot;

But then another row would be in the back, and we would have to repeat the process till there are no seats left for anybody......

I have noticed this in the world also, with people conducting a  meeting often forcing those in the back into the front, or those on the sides into the center to snuggle.  Americans have more of a requirement for &quot;personal space&quot; than some other cultures.  Am I apostate, or am I just living with immature people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my Stake, the back rows are the &#8220;evil&#8221; seats.  </p>
<p>Over the past several years I have been lectured to by ushers &#8220;You must be one of those back seat Mormons!  Let me find a seat up front for you&#8221;, encouraged to repentance by a Stake President &#8220;Sit up here in the middle rows with me&#8221; (then he left me there), openly scorned &#8220;What are you doing sitting in the back row!?&#8221;, etc&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>There are many reasons for my preferrence for the back row seats (I could list about 8 or 10), but my comment is,</p>
<p>&#8220;If these seats are so evil, let&#8217;s take them out right away!&#8221;</p>
<p>But then another row would be in the back, and we would have to repeat the process till there are no seats left for anybody&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I have noticed this in the world also, with people conducting a  meeting often forcing those in the back into the front, or those on the sides into the center to snuggle.  Americans have more of a requirement for &#8220;personal space&#8221; than some other cultures.  Am I apostate, or am I just living with immature people?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-137284</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 04:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Re #46 - what happened to all those minutes from earlier-in-the-20th-century Sacrament Meetings? The historian in me itches to look at themâ€¦ but they presumably arenâ€™t part of each wardâ€™s own libraryâ€¦ where are they now? Wouldnâ€™t they be wonderfully revealing about what a particular clerk sees as important, as well as reflecting on the changing content, sequence, and emphasis in Sac Mtg over time? &quot;

Sad to say, but I&#039;m afraid much of that material is gone forever.  I remember my grandfather&#039;s outrage in describing what happened sometime in the seventies.  He had served for decades as a ward clerk, stake clerk, and stake executive secretary, sitting up on the stand on the other side from the sacrament table and taking meticulous, painstaking minutes, to the extent of summarizing the content of talks.  Of course he kept minutes on many other meetings too, as well as church courts, and thought he was providing an important service in compiling a record of significant (and insignificant) doings and sayings of a community by which it could be remembered adn judged.  He felt quite hurt and as if a big part of his life&#039;s work had gone unappreciated when the stake decided to discard it all.  Of course the wardhouse in which many of those events took place is no more, replaced by a structure with 1/10 of its character.

Around the same time, many ward libraries were also being purged, with directives such as, &quot;it&#039;s only necessary to keep the most recent XX years of magazines,&quot; or &quot;the new pictures have arrived; you can throw away the old ones.&quot;  

I remember in 1989 I spent some time in my grandfather&#039;s basement looking at some old files including a multi-volume stake history.  A couple of years later while I was a missionary, the house was emptied and sold.  I think some copies are still extant, but I doubt there is a very wide audience for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Re #46 &#8211; what happened to all those minutes from earlier-in-the-20th-century Sacrament Meetings? The historian in me itches to look at themâ€¦ but they presumably arenâ€™t part of each wardâ€™s own libraryâ€¦ where are they now? Wouldnâ€™t they be wonderfully revealing about what a particular clerk sees as important, as well as reflecting on the changing content, sequence, and emphasis in Sac Mtg over time? &#8221;</p>
<p>Sad to say, but I&#8217;m afraid much of that material is gone forever.  I remember my grandfather&#8217;s outrage in describing what happened sometime in the seventies.  He had served for decades as a ward clerk, stake clerk, and stake executive secretary, sitting up on the stand on the other side from the sacrament table and taking meticulous, painstaking minutes, to the extent of summarizing the content of talks.  Of course he kept minutes on many other meetings too, as well as church courts, and thought he was providing an important service in compiling a record of significant (and insignificant) doings and sayings of a community by which it could be remembered adn judged.  He felt quite hurt and as if a big part of his life&#8217;s work had gone unappreciated when the stake decided to discard it all.  Of course the wardhouse in which many of those events took place is no more, replaced by a structure with 1/10 of its character.</p>
<p>Around the same time, many ward libraries were also being purged, with directives such as, &#8220;it&#8217;s only necessary to keep the most recent XX years of magazines,&#8221; or &#8220;the new pictures have arrived; you can throw away the old ones.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I remember in 1989 I spent some time in my grandfather&#8217;s basement looking at some old files including a multi-volume stake history.  A couple of years later while I was a missionary, the house was emptied and sold.  I think some copies are still extant, but I doubt there is a very wide audience for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-136049</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize at this point this comment probably won&#039;t be read, but I&#039;d be interested in a blog on bizarre sacrament meeting/testimony meeting occurrences.  I love to collect those stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize at this point this comment probably won&#8217;t be read, but I&#8217;d be interested in a blog on bizarre sacrament meeting/testimony meeting occurrences.  I love to collect those stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-135918</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While attending the temple early one morning with his MTC district, my husband was just about to take a seat when an older gentleman whipped his cane across it, making it clear that the seat was HIS. I always wonder if I&#039;ll inadvertently provoke a similar reaction when I&#039;m attending a new ward and can&#039;t read the invisible signs on the pews yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While attending the temple early one morning with his MTC district, my husband was just about to take a seat when an older gentleman whipped his cane across it, making it clear that the seat was HIS. I always wonder if I&#8217;ll inadvertently provoke a similar reaction when I&#8217;m attending a new ward and can&#8217;t read the invisible signs on the pews yet.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-135902</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 15:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week in church these two old guys, one married, one single, came in and went over to the place where they normally sit (the married guy&#039;s wife works and these guys are neighbors, so they come together).  It was in the far left corner of the back row.

They stood there in shock and contemplated the stuff someone else had left--a pair of scriptures, a backpack, a jacket.  They discussed what should they do?  Should they sit in the next pew?

I got up and said, &quot;Mike, just move their crap and sit down.  They&#039;ll never know, they&#039;ll just think that&#039;s where they left their stuff.&quot;

&quot;Oh, no, we couldn&#039;t do that.&quot;  And they stood there, just perplexed.  I was cracking up, there were empty seats all over, it was early.

Finally, the two missionaries who&#039;d left their stuff came walking up and thank heaven, noticed these two old guys (in their 80&#039;s) dismay and moved their backpacks and the old guys sat down.

I think they&#039;d still be standing there if the missionaries hadn&#039;t moved their scriptures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week in church these two old guys, one married, one single, came in and went over to the place where they normally sit (the married guy&#8217;s wife works and these guys are neighbors, so they come together).  It was in the far left corner of the back row.</p>
<p>They stood there in shock and contemplated the stuff someone else had left&#8211;a pair of scriptures, a backpack, a jacket.  They discussed what should they do?  Should they sit in the next pew?</p>
<p>I got up and said, &#8220;Mike, just move their crap and sit down.  They&#8217;ll never know, they&#8217;ll just think that&#8217;s where they left their stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, no, we couldn&#8217;t do that.&#8221;  And they stood there, just perplexed.  I was cracking up, there were empty seats all over, it was early.</p>
<p>Finally, the two missionaries who&#8217;d left their stuff came walking up and thank heaven, noticed these two old guys (in their 80&#8242;s) dismay and moved their backpacks and the old guys sat down.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;d still be standing there if the missionaries hadn&#8217;t moved their scriptures.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-135805</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 04:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We sit in the second full row on the right hand side of the chapel.  When it&#039;s just my sister and myself, we invite the family of her closest friend at church to sit with us; when more of us are present we usually sit alone.  If I&#039;m by myself and my sister&#039;s friend&#039;s family isn&#039;t around, which happens about twice a year, I usually get really nervous about sitting in the room by myself, and flee after the Sacrament is passed.  We leave the row in front of us open for moms with young kids and/or the organist (who has young kids,) or the very rare family with a wheelchair that actually wants to sit up front.  We get to church early enough that we pretty much have our pick of spots, but we got stuck with that one the first Sunday our family was in town (not that we minded, it&#039;s just that it wasn&#039;t a specific choice) and well, let&#039;s just say that after 5 years of sitting in the same spot, people tend to consider it yours.  Also, now I know all the tricks of that spot -- how you can squeeze in along the side if there are grumpy people on the end who won&#039;t want to get up to let you through, where plastic toys that get thrown past your head will land, at what times the sun shines straight into your face when you&#039;re sitting in various spots along the pew... and I take personal responsibility for ensuring that no stupid kids pull the fire alarm (which is in our row) when they shouldn&#039;t.

Actually, a much bigger issue with us is what order we sit in within the row.  When my middle sister is here, she sits on the end (and thus takes responsibility for the fire alarm,) which annoys me because she wants to pass notes to our youngest sister, who wants to sit next to our mom, who wants to sit next to my stepfather, who wants to sit on the aisle side.  Which means I&#039;m forever between two people who want to sit next to each other.  Sigh.  My sister is back from college for summer break; that between-and-in-the-way status will be mine for the next three months.

(for the record, none of the buildings I&#039;ve been in in Ohio seem to have desks for the clerks... if they&#039;re there, they&#039;re very well hidden indeed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sit in the second full row on the right hand side of the chapel.  When it&#8217;s just my sister and myself, we invite the family of her closest friend at church to sit with us; when more of us are present we usually sit alone.  If I&#8217;m by myself and my sister&#8217;s friend&#8217;s family isn&#8217;t around, which happens about twice a year, I usually get really nervous about sitting in the room by myself, and flee after the Sacrament is passed.  We leave the row in front of us open for moms with young kids and/or the organist (who has young kids,) or the very rare family with a wheelchair that actually wants to sit up front.  We get to church early enough that we pretty much have our pick of spots, but we got stuck with that one the first Sunday our family was in town (not that we minded, it&#8217;s just that it wasn&#8217;t a specific choice) and well, let&#8217;s just say that after 5 years of sitting in the same spot, people tend to consider it yours.  Also, now I know all the tricks of that spot &#8212; how you can squeeze in along the side if there are grumpy people on the end who won&#8217;t want to get up to let you through, where plastic toys that get thrown past your head will land, at what times the sun shines straight into your face when you&#8217;re sitting in various spots along the pew&#8230; and I take personal responsibility for ensuring that no stupid kids pull the fire alarm (which is in our row) when they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Actually, a much bigger issue with us is what order we sit in within the row.  When my middle sister is here, she sits on the end (and thus takes responsibility for the fire alarm,) which annoys me because she wants to pass notes to our youngest sister, who wants to sit next to our mom, who wants to sit next to my stepfather, who wants to sit on the aisle side.  Which means I&#8217;m forever between two people who want to sit next to each other.  Sigh.  My sister is back from college for summer break; that between-and-in-the-way status will be mine for the next three months.</p>
<p>(for the record, none of the buildings I&#8217;ve been in in Ohio seem to have desks for the clerks&#8230; if they&#8217;re there, they&#8217;re very well hidden indeed)</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler W.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/05/chapel-seating/#comment-135793</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 03:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like sitting in the same place every week.  I make my wife move around from the middle to the side to the back.  She prefers to sit in the front because thats where her family (growing up) had an &quot;assigned&quot; seat.  They always have to sit on the second row even when we visit.  I think its really funny when someone takes their spot.  I really hate when people have to sit in the same place every week.  I know I should really let it go, but for some reason it really bugs me.  I really like sitting in the back row.  Also, in our ward nobody sits in the first three rows.  I think people are afraid to sit up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like sitting in the same place every week.  I make my wife move around from the middle to the side to the back.  She prefers to sit in the front because thats where her family (growing up) had an &#8220;assigned&#8221; seat.  They always have to sit on the second row even when we visit.  I think its really funny when someone takes their spot.  I really hate when people have to sit in the same place every week.  I know I should really let it go, but for some reason it really bugs me.  I really like sitting in the back row.  Also, in our ward nobody sits in the first three rows.  I think people are afraid to sit up front.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 22:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We sit in the front now to avoid distractions for our kids (who are ages 16, 14 and 11) and because no one else ever will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sit in the front now to avoid distractions for our kids (who are ages 16, 14 and 11) and because no one else ever will.</p>
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