Comments on: A Most Mormon Story http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:49:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-170705 Adam Greenwood Wed, 24 May 2006 13:51:42 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-170705 True. True.

]]> By: Kirsten M. Christensen http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-134896 Kirsten M. Christensen Wed, 03 May 2006 08:54:58 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-134896 Adam (#11) -- "without Andres’ Sanchez willingness to sacrifice for his religion, it would not have been possible for him to join the church later." You mean, it wouldn't have been possible for him to have joined the church in the way he did -- through the records his granddaughter found. If all the temple work to be done were dependent on well-preserved records, lots of people would be lost. Had Andres Sanchez not been able to save the artifacts and records, we wouldn't have this peculiar, wonderful story, but another avenue would have opened up for him, no? Adam (#11) — “without Andres’ Sanchez willingness to sacrifice for his religion, it would not have been possible for him to join the church later.” You mean, it wouldn’t have been possible for him to have joined the church in the way he did — through the records his granddaughter found. If all the temple work to be done were dependent on well-preserved records, lots of people would be lost. Had Andres Sanchez not been able to save the artifacts and records, we wouldn’t have this peculiar, wonderful story, but another avenue would have opened up for him, no?

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-133125 Adam Greenwood Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:32:05 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-133125 DMS, The point of the story is not that God planned for Andres Sanchez to save the parish records that later allowed him and his kin to be baptized (though likely He did). The point of the story is that without Andres' Sanchez willingness to sacrifice for his religion, it would not have been possible for him to join the church later. DMS,

The point of the story is not that God planned for Andres Sanchez to save the parish records that later allowed him and his kin to be baptized (though likely He did). The point of the story is that without Andres’ Sanchez willingness to sacrifice for his religion, it would not have been possible for him to join the church later.

]]> By: DMS http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-133087 DMS Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:27:14 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-133087 Jim F: Yes, I believe you could say that linking God to the weather at Temple dedications is a consequence of confessing the hand of God in all things. I really do believe that God has power over the weather and everything else for that matter. I'm glad the Church News didn't say that God was displeased with the Temple where there was rain during the dedication. I suppose it's best to look for the positive. Some of my evangelical acquaintences thought the Salt Lake City tornado toppling the crane at the Conference Center several years ago was a sign from God about his displeasure with the Church of Jesus Christ. That just illustrates to me that while God can control the weather, I'm not clear how to interpret the meaning of a specific weather event. I'm a bit cynical that the writers for the Church News know how either. So while we should confess his hand in all things, does that mean we should declare that we know his purpose or try to derive a faith-promoting meaning in all that he does? Jim F: Yes, I believe you could say that linking God to the weather at Temple dedications is a consequence of confessing the hand of God in all things. I really do believe that God has power over the weather and everything else for that matter. I’m glad the Church News didn’t say that God was displeased with the Temple where there was rain during the dedication. I suppose it’s best to look for the positive.

Some of my evangelical acquaintences thought the Salt Lake City tornado toppling the crane at the Conference Center several years ago was a sign from God about his displeasure with the Church of Jesus Christ.

That just illustrates to me that while God can control the weather, I’m not clear how to interpret the meaning of a specific weather event. I’m a bit cynical that the writers for the Church News know how either.

So while we should confess his hand in all things, does that mean we should declare that we know his purpose or try to derive a faith-promoting meaning in all that he does?

]]> By: Jim F. http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-133052 Jim F. Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:45:24 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-133052 DMS: Isn't this one of the consequences of confessing the hand of God in all things (D&C 59:21), whether it is in sunshine or in rain? DMS: Isn’t this one of the consequences of confessing the hand of God in all things (D&C 59:21), whether it is in sunshine or in rain?

]]> By: DMS http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-133050 DMS Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:59:51 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-133050 This reminds me of other connections that people make that often seem to me a real stretch. The story of the young Joseph Smith refusing alcohol when he had his leg surgery is often told as a faith promoting event - even though the Word of Wisdom did not come for many years and Joseph Smith drank alcoholic beverages during his life. I was glad to see this story wasn't part of the Joseph Smith film being shown at the JS Memorial Building. Also I've often noted how the Church news describes as miraculous how the clouds parted and rains disipated for events such as temple dedications. I was struck by the incongruence when they put an equaly positive spin on the rainy weather that would not let up for another temple dedication - I think it was the Hong Kong Temple. This reminds me of other connections that people make that often seem to me a real stretch.

The story of the young Joseph Smith refusing alcohol when he had his leg surgery is often told as a faith promoting event – even though the Word of Wisdom did not come for many years and Joseph Smith drank alcoholic beverages during his life. I was glad to see this story wasn’t part of the Joseph Smith film being shown at the JS Memorial Building.

Also I’ve often noted how the Church news describes as miraculous how the clouds parted and rains disipated for events such as temple dedications. I was struck by the incongruence when they put an equaly positive spin on the rainy weather that would not let up for another temple dedication – I think it was the Hong Kong Temple.

]]> By: Kimball Hunt http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-132444 Kimball Hunt Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:39:58 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-132444 What makes for a faith promoting experience is by its nature a highly personal memoirs, even a folk literature. And what makes an example of this a specifically "Mormon" thing is whatever symbols and context within the tale would resonate within the community of the Saints. What makes for a faith promoting experience is by its nature a highly personal memoirs, even a folk literature. And what makes an example of this a specifically “Mormon” thing is whatever symbols and context within the tale would resonate within the community of the Saints.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-132406 Adam Greenwood Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:11:11 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-132406 Shoot, here I was gonna take out that reference to Carlists, cuz its a pointless aside, but now I guess I have to leave it. Anyway, I can assure you that the Carlists were "groovy" and "far out." Shoot, here I was gonna take out that reference to Carlists, cuz its a pointless aside, but now I guess I have to leave it. Anyway, I can assure you that the Carlists were “groovy” and “far out.”

]]> By: Aletheia http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-132361 Aletheia Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:27:55 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-132361 Jonathan, It's interesting to hear that we can deprioritize the canon while all the while sympathizing with putative Carlists. The Carlists? Jonathan, It’s interesting to hear that we can deprioritize the canon while all the while sympathizing with putative Carlists. The Carlists?

]]> By: Mark IV http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/the-most-mormon-of-stories/#comment-132327 Mark IV Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:40:10 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3103#comment-132327 Adam: Well done. I think you have hit the mark, and I agree with Jonathan Green. Adam:

Well done. I think you have hit the mark, and I agree with Jonathan Green.

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