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	<title>Comments on: In Defense of Janice Kapp Perry</title>
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		<title>By: WillF</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-134248</link>
		<dc:creator>WillF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 00:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to see that the lds.org website just recently published a page titled &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.lds.org/cm/display/0,17631,6497-1,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Other Music&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;blockquote&gt;This section of the Church Music site provides choirs, youth, children, and families with music in addition to what is found in the Hymns or Children&#039;s Songbook. Sheet music is available for music published in Church magazines. Seminary music is available as downloadable MP3s, with sheet music for some of the songs. As resources are available, we will continue to add music in various languages and formats.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to see that the lds.org website just recently published a page titled <a HREF="http://www.lds.org/cm/display/0,17631,6497-1,00.html" rel="nofollow">Other Music</a>.<br />
<blockquote>This section of the Church Music site provides choirs, youth, children, and families with music in addition to what is found in the Hymns or Children&#8217;s Songbook. Sheet music is available for music published in Church magazines. Seminary music is available as downloadable MP3s, with sheet music for some of the songs. As resources are available, we will continue to add music in various languages and formats.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Conformity</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132790</link>
		<dc:creator>Conformity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this for a Primary song?

1. Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes, all the same.
There&#039;s a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they&#039;re all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same.
 
2. And the people in the houses
All go to the university,
And they all get put in boxes,
And they come out, all the same.
And there&#039;s doctors and there&#039;s lawyers
And business executives,
And they&#039;re all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same.
 
3. And they all play on the golf-course,
And drink their Martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children,
And the children go to school.
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same. 

4. And the boys go into business,
And marry, and raise a family,
In boxes made of ticky-tacky,
And they all look just the same.
There&#039;s a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they&#039;re all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this for a Primary song?</p>
<p>1. Little boxes on the hillside,<br />
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky,<br />
Little boxes on the hillside,<br />
Little boxes, all the same.<br />
There&#8217;s a green one and a pink one<br />
And a blue one and a yellow one<br />
And they&#8217;re all made out of ticky-tacky<br />
And they all look just the same.</p>
<p>2. And the people in the houses<br />
All go to the university,<br />
And they all get put in boxes,<br />
And they come out, all the same.<br />
And there&#8217;s doctors and there&#8217;s lawyers<br />
And business executives,<br />
And they&#8217;re all made out of ticky-tacky<br />
And they all look just the same.</p>
<p>3. And they all play on the golf-course,<br />
And drink their Martinis dry,<br />
And they all have pretty children,<br />
And the children go to school.<br />
And the children go to summer camp<br />
And then to the university,<br />
Where they are put in boxes<br />
And they come out all the same. </p>
<p>4. And the boys go into business,<br />
And marry, and raise a family,<br />
In boxes made of ticky-tacky,<br />
And they all look just the same.<br />
There&#8217;s a green one and a pink one<br />
And a blue one and a yellow one<br />
And they&#8217;re all made out of ticky-tacky<br />
And they all look just the same.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132748</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was actually a letter from the brethren, a few years ago, saying that the Hymns were not the only appropriate music for church services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was actually a letter from the brethren, a few years ago, saying that the Hymns were not the only appropriate music for church services.</p>
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		<title>By: mullingandmusing (m&#38;m)</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132747</link>
		<dc:creator>mullingandmusing (m&#38;m)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>118
I think we can feel the Spirit in so many different contexts, but that does not make those situations church-appropriate. I felt the Spirit in my sensation and perception class in college, or while preparing my paper on women in Islam. I felt some incredible inspiration (I felt it was the Spirit, because talent is light) while attending Broadway plays and hearing the amazing music there -- but that doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s appropriate for church. What I think the hymns do is help us focus on the gospel, the Savior, the Atonement, the Restoration...things more specific to our Sunday worship. It also keeps that unity throughout the world...that we as Saints are singing the same hymns everywhere.

That there is other music that can truly complement the nature of our services is clear. But perhaps part of the reason there has been more focus on keeping with the hymns is because of the pop music problem, etc. that started creeping in esp. during the late 80s/early 90s. And, again, what is &quot;inspirational&quot; to some may not be worshipful, or subjectively inspirational to the lay listener. 

Our ward choir is allowed to sing other worshipful songs besides hymns. The local leaders have some leeway in determining what is appropriate. But the hymns definitely keep us within approved boundaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>118<br />
I think we can feel the Spirit in so many different contexts, but that does not make those situations church-appropriate. I felt the Spirit in my sensation and perception class in college, or while preparing my paper on women in Islam. I felt some incredible inspiration (I felt it was the Spirit, because talent is light) while attending Broadway plays and hearing the amazing music there &#8212; but that doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s appropriate for church. What I think the hymns do is help us focus on the gospel, the Savior, the Atonement, the Restoration&#8230;things more specific to our Sunday worship. It also keeps that unity throughout the world&#8230;that we as Saints are singing the same hymns everywhere.</p>
<p>That there is other music that can truly complement the nature of our services is clear. But perhaps part of the reason there has been more focus on keeping with the hymns is because of the pop music problem, etc. that started creeping in esp. during the late 80s/early 90s. And, again, what is &#8220;inspirational&#8221; to some may not be worshipful, or subjectively inspirational to the lay listener. </p>
<p>Our ward choir is allowed to sing other worshipful songs besides hymns. The local leaders have some leeway in determining what is appropriate. But the hymns definitely keep us within approved boundaries.</p>
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		<title>By: WillF</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132735</link>
		<dc:creator>WillF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I don&#039;t get to decide, but here is what I feel is good counsel regarding music in church services:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Just as it is to be expected that our sacrament services contain doctrinal sermons which lift us toward God, so should it be expected that our music reinforce such experiences. It is inconsistent that an inspiring sermon should be preceded or followed by music which is trite and banal. The obligation is as great for the one as for the other. 
Moreover, music in the Church should never be self-subsisting; to be effective it must be closely associated with the rest of the service, and it follows that Church musicians are therefore involved in serving, not in being served. Musical selection and performance should be such that the highest possibilities of the service may be realized; music should be more carefully selected and as well prepared as a thoughtfully and prayerfully prepared sermon. Musical messages should coincide with the theme of the meeting or sermon, necessitating that selections be made after that theme is established. 
Music in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is on an exciting threshold; its obligation is great, but the rewards not only for those directly involved in it but for the entire membership are manifold. The God whom we worship deserves nothing less than our best effortsâ€”in serving Him and in praising His name. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

from Ralph Woodward&#039;s article, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/dialogue&amp;CISOPTR=7055&amp;CISOSHOW=6985&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Choral Music in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I don&#8217;t get to decide, but here is what I feel is good counsel regarding music in church services:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just as it is to be expected that our sacrament services contain doctrinal sermons which lift us toward God, so should it be expected that our music reinforce such experiences. It is inconsistent that an inspiring sermon should be preceded or followed by music which is trite and banal. The obligation is as great for the one as for the other.<br />
Moreover, music in the Church should never be self-subsisting; to be effective it must be closely associated with the rest of the service, and it follows that Church musicians are therefore involved in serving, not in being served. Musical selection and performance should be such that the highest possibilities of the service may be realized; music should be more carefully selected and as well prepared as a thoughtfully and prayerfully prepared sermon. Musical messages should coincide with the theme of the meeting or sermon, necessitating that selections be made after that theme is established.<br />
Music in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is on an exciting threshold; its obligation is great, but the rewards not only for those directly involved in it but for the entire membership are manifold. The God whom we worship deserves nothing less than our best effortsâ€”in serving Him and in praising His name. </p></blockquote>
<p>from Ralph Woodward&#8217;s article, <a HREF="http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/docviewer.exe?CISOROOT=/dialogue&amp;CISOPTR=7055&amp;CISOSHOW=6985" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Choral Music in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: WillF</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132733</link>
		<dc:creator>WillF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying that our leaders don&#039;t appreciate or encourage other forms of music.

 I just don&#039;t know what to make of the first two paragraphs of &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/2001.htm/ensign%20july%202001.htm/the%20power%20of%20hymns.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article&lt;/a&gt;. I have felt the Spirit (or at least I thought I did) strongly when listening to orchestra concerts, jazz concerts, band concerts, choir performances and even the radio on the way home from somewhere and they weren&#039;t playing something out of the hymnbook at the time. In fact, many times they were playing music I had never heard before.

 I do agree that good hymns are an excellent way of bringing the Spirit, I just don&#039;t see why that means you have to rule out other forms of music as potentially spiritual (if you don&#039;t see what I mean, read the first two paragraphs of the Ensign article again -- it really seems to be implying that there are no other forms of spiritual music).

Having said all this, I do feel someone exonerated for all the times I forgot to bring any interesting prelude music for sacrament meeting and turned to the hymn book. I guess I was being obedient without even knowing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying that our leaders don&#8217;t appreciate or encourage other forms of music.</p>
<p> I just don&#8217;t know what to make of the first two paragraphs of <a HREF="http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/2001.htm/ensign%20july%202001.htm/the%20power%20of%20hymns.htm" rel="nofollow">the article</a>. I have felt the Spirit (or at least I thought I did) strongly when listening to orchestra concerts, jazz concerts, band concerts, choir performances and even the radio on the way home from somewhere and they weren&#8217;t playing something out of the hymnbook at the time. In fact, many times they were playing music I had never heard before.</p>
<p> I do agree that good hymns are an excellent way of bringing the Spirit, I just don&#8217;t see why that means you have to rule out other forms of music as potentially spiritual (if you don&#8217;t see what I mean, read the first two paragraphs of the Ensign article again &#8212; it really seems to be implying that there are no other forms of spiritual music).</p>
<p>Having said all this, I do feel someone exonerated for all the times I forgot to bring any interesting prelude music for sacrament meeting and turned to the hymn book. I guess I was being obedient without even knowing it.</p>
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		<title>By: mullingandmusing (m&#38;m)</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132586</link>
		<dc:creator>mullingandmusing (m&#38;m)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>114
You are clearly overreacting here. Stake Conference is a Sunday worship service. There are certain standards for our Sunday meetings. But there are plenty of other opportunities to enjoy different music. Have you ever been to a music fireside? A sing-in? A choirside? A celebration? A holiday performance (like an Easter cantata or a Messiah performance)? A talent show? A music appreciation night? There are so many opportunities (if people are creative enough and proactive in their local areas) to explore other music besides what we are asked to focus on in Church. Why make such a fuss over what happens during three hours a week when we CAN do more at other times? 

For example, a choir I was in sang in a stake music fireside last year. It was actually more like a performance for us (although we did do some mini-talks). This stake has such a music fireside EVERY MONTH. It was fantastic to see a stake care that much about music! And guess what? We sang a wide variety of songs (spirituals, love songs, a crazy Shakespeare piece....). And guess what else? Those in attendance were allowed to &lt;i&gt;applaud.&lt;/i&gt; In the chapel. On a Sunday night. Oh, and we had bongo drums for one of our pieces. And we even swayed to (try to) look like we really knew how to sing a spiritual. (Did I mention this was in the chapel?) You &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; convince me that our leaders are boring and restrictive and limiting us, nor that we can&#039;t develop our musical intelligence in our Church. Just talk to someone who can do something and DO SOMETHING. Let&#039;s not make such a big deal about nothing. Church meetings are not the only place we can sing and explore the musical horizons available to us. 

SO, does anyone else have any examples of Church music activities that can get us out of our usual Sunday mode?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>114<br />
You are clearly overreacting here. Stake Conference is a Sunday worship service. There are certain standards for our Sunday meetings. But there are plenty of other opportunities to enjoy different music. Have you ever been to a music fireside? A sing-in? A choirside? A celebration? A holiday performance (like an Easter cantata or a Messiah performance)? A talent show? A music appreciation night? There are so many opportunities (if people are creative enough and proactive in their local areas) to explore other music besides what we are asked to focus on in Church. Why make such a fuss over what happens during three hours a week when we CAN do more at other times? </p>
<p>For example, a choir I was in sang in a stake music fireside last year. It was actually more like a performance for us (although we did do some mini-talks). This stake has such a music fireside EVERY MONTH. It was fantastic to see a stake care that much about music! And guess what? We sang a wide variety of songs (spirituals, love songs, a crazy Shakespeare piece&#8230;.). And guess what else? Those in attendance were allowed to <i>applaud.</i> In the chapel. On a Sunday night. Oh, and we had bongo drums for one of our pieces. And we even swayed to (try to) look like we really knew how to sing a spiritual. (Did I mention this was in the chapel?) You <i>can&#8217;t</i> convince me that our leaders are boring and restrictive and limiting us, nor that we can&#8217;t develop our musical intelligence in our Church. Just talk to someone who can do something and DO SOMETHING. Let&#8217;s not make such a big deal about nothing. Church meetings are not the only place we can sing and explore the musical horizons available to us. </p>
<p>SO, does anyone else have any examples of Church music activities that can get us out of our usual Sunday mode?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a JKP CD containing songs about the Young Women&#039;s Values for one of my daughters as an Easter present, but I didn&#039;t know anything about the music except for the first song on the CD for which I volunteered to accompany a group of our ward&#039;s YW singers on the piano.  When my daughter played it for public consumption on the CD player in the dining room, I wondered if I was listening to a first version of the music from &quot;Saturday&#039;s Warrior&quot; that a Latter-day Martin Harris somewhere had managed to lose somewhere, resulting in the version we&#039;re all familiar with today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a JKP CD containing songs about the Young Women&#8217;s Values for one of my daughters as an Easter present, but I didn&#8217;t know anything about the music except for the first song on the CD for which I volunteered to accompany a group of our ward&#8217;s YW singers on the piano.  When my daughter played it for public consumption on the CD player in the dining room, I wondered if I was listening to a first version of the music from &#8220;Saturday&#8217;s Warrior&#8221; that a Latter-day Martin Harris somewhere had managed to lose somewhere, resulting in the version we&#8217;re all familiar with today.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank McIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I would not use the word &quot;forcing&quot;.  In fact, I rarely do.  But one misplaced word does not change the message he was trying to convey, which was clearly not that the organist should shut up so people could talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  I would not use the word &#8220;forcing&#8221;.  In fact, I rarely do.  But one misplaced word does not change the message he was trying to convey, which was clearly not that the organist should shut up so people could talk.</p>
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		<title>By: WillF</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/in-defense-of-janice-kapp-perry/#comment-132446</link>
		<dc:creator>WillF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just occured to me that the &quot;organ vs. the congregation&quot; story took place during Stake Conference which is technically not a Sacrament Meeting. Maybe this is the distressing part -- the subtext that only hymns can bring the spirit, no matter the setting.

On the other hand, I have found that you can look at the story with a little more levity if you imagine that it was Mr. Bean at the organ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just occured to me that the &#8220;organ vs. the congregation&#8221; story took place during Stake Conference which is technically not a Sacrament Meeting. Maybe this is the distressing part &#8212; the subtext that only hymns can bring the spirit, no matter the setting.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I have found that you can look at the story with a little more levity if you imagine that it was Mr. Bean at the organ.</p>
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