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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-128191</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again an interesting remark, Bradley. I guess there are cases and situations where a negative generalization is helpful as a protective measure. Would the generalized warning never to go and see an R-rated movie fall in such category? Probably. While there are beautiful and thought-provoking R-rated movies (and where the R has been added for a marginal and debatable reason), the negative generalization can hardly be called &quot;wrong&quot;. I guess we can multiply the examples. On the other hand, generalizations obviously entail risks of cheap judgments and refusal to study issues.

I noticed I have not thanked quite a few other commenters who have added their insights and nuances to the thread. All comments have been read and appreciated. Merci!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again an interesting remark, Bradley. I guess there are cases and situations where a negative generalization is helpful as a protective measure. Would the generalized warning never to go and see an R-rated movie fall in such category? Probably. While there are beautiful and thought-provoking R-rated movies (and where the R has been added for a marginal and debatable reason), the negative generalization can hardly be called &#8220;wrong&#8221;. I guess we can multiply the examples. On the other hand, generalizations obviously entail risks of cheap judgments and refusal to study issues.</p>
<p>I noticed I have not thanked quite a few other commenters who have added their insights and nuances to the thread. All comments have been read and appreciated. Merci!</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Ross</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-128164</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried, point taken with respect to commenters being intellectually lazy. I guess my main question is, &quot;When is it okay to stereotype and/or generalize?&quot; For the good of society and of our own souls we should be careful about making a negative generalization, but is it always wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried, point taken with respect to commenters being intellectually lazy. I guess my main question is, &#8220;When is it okay to stereotype and/or generalize?&#8221; For the good of society and of our own souls we should be careful about making a negative generalization, but is it always wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Kimball Hunt</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-128069</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimball Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re capitalization of Christ: There&#039;s certainly no offense to distinguish proper noun usages from extended ones. (For example jack mormon needn&#039;t be capitalized since who&#039;s refered to isn&#039;t REALLY Mormon -- the same with the &quot;bible of the music industry&quot; or the &quot;young turks&quot; of the movement, where what were originally proper nouns are given extended, more generic meanings.) 

Still I&#039;d suggest most magazines and members of our culture today SHOULD capitalize Celebrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re capitalization of Christ: There&#8217;s certainly no offense to distinguish proper noun usages from extended ones. (For example jack mormon needn&#8217;t be capitalized since who&#8217;s refered to isn&#8217;t REALLY Mormon &#8212; the same with the &#8220;bible of the music industry&#8221; or the &#8220;young turks&#8221; of the movement, where what were originally proper nouns are given extended, more generic meanings.) </p>
<p>Still I&#8217;d suggest most magazines and members of our culture today SHOULD capitalize Celebrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-128048</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting remark, Bradley, and it is justified if my wording leads you to read in it a negative generalization pertaining to people as such. I apologize if it does. But...  I did not write that the &quot;commenters are intellectually lazy and morally isolated&quot;. I wrote that the causes of sweeping condemnations can be found in intellectual laziness and moral isolationism. That is a very different way to put it -- an ontological distinction of great importance in our relations with others. 

Compare. Good communication requires e.g. parents and teachers to say to children or students, if necessary: &quot;That is not a smart thing you did&quot;. But do not say: &quot;You are not smart&quot;. It makes a huge difference. Jumping from the first statement to the second would be... a gratuitous, negative generalization. 

So I tried to communicate the best way possible to make a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting remark, Bradley, and it is justified if my wording leads you to read in it a negative generalization pertaining to people as such. I apologize if it does. But&#8230;  I did not write that the &#8220;commenters are intellectually lazy and morally isolated&#8221;. I wrote that the causes of sweeping condemnations can be found in intellectual laziness and moral isolationism. That is a very different way to put it &#8212; an ontological distinction of great importance in our relations with others. </p>
<p>Compare. Good communication requires e.g. parents and teachers to say to children or students, if necessary: &#8220;That is not a smart thing you did&#8221;. But do not say: &#8220;You are not smart&#8221;. It makes a huge difference. Jumping from the first statement to the second would be&#8230; a gratuitous, negative generalization. </p>
<p>So I tried to communicate the best way possible to make a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Ross</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-128014</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Wilfried is calling for an end to &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; generalizations, then I disagree. All of us are called upon to make decisions before we have all the facts. If omniscience were the standard, it would be impossible to have an opinion. 

Caution in making a generalization, especially a negative one, is in order given the good reasons that Wilfried cited. But generalizations, &quot;positive&quot; and &quot;negative,&quot; are necessary for us to function. When we are warned to avoid being like &quot;the world,&quot; surely we recognize that as a useful generalization with obvious exceptions. 

The standard that we must avoid &quot;gratuitous, negative generalizations&quot; is too broad. All opinions can be gratuitous (i.e. unwarranted, unjustified) by some standard. Wilfried just called the commenters he quoted intellectually lazy and morally isolated. That is a negative generalization. He can&#039;t possibly know enough about them to really make that claim with authority. But he is doing what all humans must do: making judgements, even negative ones, on limited information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Wilfried is calling for an end to <i>all</i> generalizations, then I disagree. All of us are called upon to make decisions before we have all the facts. If omniscience were the standard, it would be impossible to have an opinion. </p>
<p>Caution in making a generalization, especially a negative one, is in order given the good reasons that Wilfried cited. But generalizations, &#8220;positive&#8221; and &#8220;negative,&#8221; are necessary for us to function. When we are warned to avoid being like &#8220;the world,&#8221; surely we recognize that as a useful generalization with obvious exceptions. </p>
<p>The standard that we must avoid &#8220;gratuitous, negative generalizations&#8221; is too broad. All opinions can be gratuitous (i.e. unwarranted, unjustified) by some standard. Wilfried just called the commenters he quoted intellectually lazy and morally isolated. That is a negative generalization. He can&#8217;t possibly know enough about them to really make that claim with authority. But he is doing what all humans must do: making judgements, even negative ones, on limited information.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-127855</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying this, Wilfried. I happen to have had enough opportunities to compare journalism with reality to know it is routinely wide of the mark. 

In a world where truth is stranger than fiction, though, it can often be hard to tell the difference. If a priest can be charged with criminal hate speech in Canada for saying homosexual acts lead to hell, and wearing a head scarf is illegal for schoolgirls in France, and a disabled man can receive a government subsidy to pay for prostitutes in--where was that? it seems one would have to have special knowledge of the low countries to know this report was unreliable. It doesn&#039;t seem so far out. And how is one to know about contemporary events but from the media, if one doesn&#039;t live there oneself?

I think it is appropriate to strongly condemn the media here. On such an obviously sensitive topic this sort of error is grave. It is really shameful what poor quality information the media will often pass along. The recent LA Times article on DNA and the Book of Mormon is a good example of stupidly credulous (or cynically sensationalist) reporting. And yes, people should know the media is not always reliable. And wow, our ignorance of each other is lamentable! I think you are asking a bit much of the media readers, though. Of course, your point is similar to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3034#comment-127350&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one I made a couple days ago&lt;/a&gt; on this blog, so maybe I am being inconsistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying this, Wilfried. I happen to have had enough opportunities to compare journalism with reality to know it is routinely wide of the mark. </p>
<p>In a world where truth is stranger than fiction, though, it can often be hard to tell the difference. If a priest can be charged with criminal hate speech in Canada for saying homosexual acts lead to hell, and wearing a head scarf is illegal for schoolgirls in France, and a disabled man can receive a government subsidy to pay for prostitutes in&#8211;where was that? it seems one would have to have special knowledge of the low countries to know this report was unreliable. It doesn&#8217;t seem so far out. And how is one to know about contemporary events but from the media, if one doesn&#8217;t live there oneself?</p>
<p>I think it is appropriate to strongly condemn the media here. On such an obviously sensitive topic this sort of error is grave. It is really shameful what poor quality information the media will often pass along. The recent LA Times article on DNA and the Book of Mormon is a good example of stupidly credulous (or cynically sensationalist) reporting. And yes, people should know the media is not always reliable. And wow, our ignorance of each other is lamentable! I think you are asking a bit much of the media readers, though. Of course, your point is similar to <a href="http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3034#comment-127350" rel="nofollow">one I made a couple days ago</a> on this blog, so maybe I am being inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimball Hunt</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-127693</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimball Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news article truthfully points out that god needn&#039;t be capitalized. Which is true -- if misleading. 

Maybe it was the reporter&#039;s editor who, thinking the article was about a  pretty blase` of topic, overly tightened up his piece, the original of which might have included the details explaining that generic usages should be left uncapitalized. 

And even if were the  reporter himself gave the description short shrift, we of course know how reporting is so driven by deadlines and often allows no time to let a piece sit for its creators to come back to it fresh to see if it&#039;s misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news article truthfully points out that god needn&#8217;t be capitalized. Which is true &#8212; if misleading. </p>
<p>Maybe it was the reporter&#8217;s editor who, thinking the article was about a  pretty blase` of topic, overly tightened up his piece, the original of which might have included the details explaining that generic usages should be left uncapitalized. </p>
<p>And even if were the  reporter himself gave the description short shrift, we of course know how reporting is so driven by deadlines and often allows no time to let a piece sit for its creators to come back to it fresh to see if it&#8217;s misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-127669</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried raises a good point.  Everyone with expertise or detailed knowledge in a given area can point out errors in media reports concerning their area of knowledge.  If you add them all up, the media gets almost everything wrong.  

It finally took a Mormon reporter to get a balanced article about the church in Newsweek.

Has it occurred to anyone that other major and repetitive news items may be overblown and misrepresented due to both lack of detail and an agenda on the part of the media?  Such as global warming or ozone depletion?  I&#039;ve read some good refutations of global warming, and how a core of alarmists have cooked the books.  Examples include: failing to mention that the breakup of pack ice north of Canada occurs in 50 year cycles, and is _not_ a brand new phenomenon that must be attributable to global warming.  That the rise in global temperatures in the 20th century was actually greater _before_ 1950 than after 1950 when man started pumping all the so-called greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.  That a not insignificant portion of the global warming figures is attributable to places like Siberia warming up from -40 to -39, and is that a bad thing?.  That the data collectors/observers have unjustifiably shifted observation points to urban areas away from rural areas (which are naturally cooler) out of proportion to the percentage of land area covered by the urban areas. (IE, the shifting of observation points to cities has increased by more than the land-area growth of cities.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried raises a good point.  Everyone with expertise or detailed knowledge in a given area can point out errors in media reports concerning their area of knowledge.  If you add them all up, the media gets almost everything wrong.  </p>
<p>It finally took a Mormon reporter to get a balanced article about the church in Newsweek.</p>
<p>Has it occurred to anyone that other major and repetitive news items may be overblown and misrepresented due to both lack of detail and an agenda on the part of the media?  Such as global warming or ozone depletion?  I&#8217;ve read some good refutations of global warming, and how a core of alarmists have cooked the books.  Examples include: failing to mention that the breakup of pack ice north of Canada occurs in 50 year cycles, and is _not_ a brand new phenomenon that must be attributable to global warming.  That the rise in global temperatures in the 20th century was actually greater _before_ 1950 than after 1950 when man started pumping all the so-called greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.  That a not insignificant portion of the global warming figures is attributable to places like Siberia warming up from -40 to -39, and is that a bad thing?.  That the data collectors/observers have unjustifiably shifted observation points to urban areas away from rural areas (which are naturally cooler) out of proportion to the percentage of land area covered by the urban areas. (IE, the shifting of observation points to cities has increased by more than the land-area growth of cities.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Green</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-127658</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried, it&#039;s interesting how language change and spelling reform serve as a lightning rod for anxieties about cultural shifts. And how things can get lost--or made to disappear--in translation. And how willingly we accept stories that confirm our beliefs, and how willing others are to feed us half-truths that confirm those beliefs. All in all, yours is a very interesting post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried, it&#8217;s interesting how language change and spelling reform serve as a lightning rod for anxieties about cultural shifts. And how things can get lost&#8211;or made to disappear&#8211;in translation. And how willingly we accept stories that confirm our beliefs, and how willing others are to feed us half-truths that confirm those beliefs. All in all, yours is a very interesting post.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/04/how-quick-we-are-to-condemn/#comment-127649</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/352#comment-584&quot;&gt;comments in the Brussels Journal&lt;/a&gt; also responded in English:
&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Luc, your analysis about &#039;christus&#039; is not correct. It&#039;s only when you use &#039;christus&#039; as a statue of Christ, that it&#039;s written with a lowercase letter. In the name &#039;Christus&#039;, like any proper name, capitalization is retained. The same is true for e.g. &#039;croesus&#039; (a wealthy man) and &#039;Croesus&#039; (the ancient king in Asia Minor).&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed that <a href="http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/352#comment-584">comments in the Brussels Journal</a> also responded in English:<br />
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<blockquote>&#8220;Luc, your analysis about &#8216;christus&#8217; is not correct. It&#8217;s only when you use &#8216;christus&#8217; as a statue of Christ, that it&#8217;s written with a lowercase letter. In the name &#8216;Christus&#8217;, like any proper name, capitalization is retained. The same is true for e.g. &#8216;croesus&#8217; (a wealthy man) and &#8216;Croesus&#8217; (the ancient king in Asia Minor).&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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