Comments on: A Preacher of Righteousness http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:09:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kurt http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-134613 Kurt Tue, 02 May 2006 12:22:29 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-134613 Since the above correspondence, a photograph has turned up that is considered likely to be that of Elijah Abel by the people at Church Archives and was used by Ed Kimball in his book about his father, SWK. John Dehlin is hosting it at his site: http://www.mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/elijahabel.jpg Since the above correspondence, a photograph has turned up that is considered likely to be that of Elijah Abel by the people at Church Archives and was used by Ed Kimball in his book about his father, SWK. John Dehlin is hosting it at his site:

http://www.mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/elijahabel.jpg

]]> By: Kurt http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-129885 Kurt Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-129885 Hellmut, that is just plain nonsense. Elijah is just one of hundreds, probably thousands, of prominent early Church members who doesnt get the attention they deserve. It has nothing whatseover with BY, and any alleged embarrasment you would cast on him. Everyone else who might be interested, yesterday I got a hand written letter back from Gary B. Peterson concerning the Elijah Abel picture as follows: 6 April 2006 Dear Kurt, Find your note most curious - only time(s) I've known (sure didn't this one) TV or KUED used images from my collectionds it's been without permission or credit let alone recompense. What is this site anyway? The image of Abel is probably in a "Blacks in Utah History" slide show I did 25-30 years ago. I probably have a negative, print and slide of it. I probably have my source somewhere in files. It's possible that was from an obscure, private collection but much more likely came from one of the major UT public collections. I am currently in the third of a three year project giving people access to incidents of divine providence on the Lewis & CLark Trail and restoring deity to rightful place in the story. Between this and another very large project I have little "spare" time. Unfortunately it would require research to attempt to answer your questions. It is good that you are documenting your project. Much success. Sincerely, Gary Hellmut, that is just plain nonsense. Elijah is just one of hundreds, probably thousands, of prominent early Church members who doesnt get the attention they deserve. It has nothing whatseover with BY, and any alleged embarrasment you would cast on him.

Everyone else who might be interested, yesterday I got a hand written letter back from Gary B. Peterson concerning the Elijah Abel picture as follows:

6 April 2006
Dear Kurt,

Find your note most curious – only time(s) I’ve known (sure didn’t this one) TV or KUED used images from my collectionds it’s been without permission or credit let alone recompense. What is this site anyway?

The image of Abel is probably in a “Blacks in Utah History” slide show I did 25-30 years ago. I probably have a negative, print and slide of it. I probably have my source somewhere in files. It’s possible that was from an obscure, private collection but much more likely came from one of the major UT public collections.

I am currently in the third of a three year project giving people access to incidents of divine providence on the Lewis & CLark Trail and restoring deity to rightful place in the story. Between this and another very large project I have little “spare” time.

Unfortunately it would require research to attempt to answer your questions. It is good that you are documenting your project. Much success.

Sincerely, Gary

]]> By: MaryAA http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126586 MaryAA Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:29:58 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126586 I'm surprised no one has mentioned the excellent series of books, Standing on the Promises, by Margaret Blair Yound and Darius Gray. These books are historical novels about Elijah Abel, Jane Manning James and their descendents. They are published by Deseret Book even if you can imagine that. They are excellent books and include tons of footnotes to check original sources the authors used to dramatize the characters. I’m surprised no one has mentioned the excellent series of books, Standing on the Promises, by Margaret Blair Yound and Darius Gray. These books are historical novels about Elijah Abel, Jane Manning James and their descendents. They are published by Deseret Book even if you can imagine that. They are excellent books and include tons of footnotes to check original sources the authors used to dramatize the characters.

]]> By: Hellmut Lotz http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126573 Hellmut Lotz Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:11:16 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126573 Obviously, a lot of people would have been uplifted if they had known more about Elijah Abel, Kurt. The problem is, of course, that serious engagement of his case would embarrass Brigham Young. Therefore, Elijah has to remain a hero at the margins. Obviously, a lot of people would have been uplifted if they had known more about Elijah Abel, Kurt. The problem is, of course, that serious engagement of his case would embarrass Brigham Young. Therefore, Elijah has to remain a hero at the margins.

]]> By: Kurt http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126500 Kurt Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:48:49 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126500 Bookslinger, If you have a copy of that book, does it give any history or background on the picture? It is out of print and not on signatures online web library. I found some on abebooks.com though. Hellmut, There is a lot of stuff that isn't in the curriculum, for no other reason that is simply wont fit. There is too much stuff to pack it all into the curriculum, and SS/GD teachers have plenty of freedom to teach whatever they like. There are lots of people who never get mentioned, and Elijah Abel is only one of them. In a curriculum that cycles through one major sciptural text per year, it simply isnt possible to jam it all in. And its not like anyone is trying to cover anything up about him, so please dont try to interject something political into it when there isnt anything there. The purpose of the SS/GD curriculum is to help church members learn about and draw closer to the Lord, not become scholars in LDS Church history. Bookslinger,

If you have a copy of that book, does it give any history or background on the picture? It is out of print and not on signatures online web library. I found some on abebooks.com though.

Hellmut,

There is a lot of stuff that isn’t in the curriculum, for no other reason that is simply wont fit. There is too much stuff to pack it all into the curriculum, and SS/GD teachers have plenty of freedom to teach whatever they like. There are lots of people who never get mentioned, and Elijah Abel is only one of them. In a curriculum that cycles through one major sciptural text per year, it simply isnt possible to jam it all in. And its not like anyone is trying to cover anything up about him, so please dont try to interject something political into it when there isnt anything there. The purpose of the SS/GD curriculum is to help church members learn about and draw closer to the Lord, not become scholars in LDS Church history.

]]> By: Hellmut Lotz http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126493 Hellmut Lotz Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:41:58 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126493 Whose interests would be served or damaged if Elijah Abel were included in the curriculum? Whose interests would be served or damaged if Elijah Abel were included in the curriculum?

]]> By: Bookslinger http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126492 Bookslinger Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:37:00 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126492 That drawing of Elijah Abel is also in "A Book of Mormons" by Richard S. Van Wagoner and Steven C. Walker. That drawing of Elijah Abel is also in “A Book of Mormons” by Richard S. Van Wagoner and Steven C. Walker.

]]> By: Kurt http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126479 Kurt Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:46:27 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126479 OK, I dug up the same info on google, and have found what it probably his current snail mail address. I will send him a letter and will report back if I hear back from him. OK, I dug up the same info on google, and have found what it probably his current snail mail address. I will send him a letter and will report back if I hear back from him.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126421 J. Stapley Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:07:40 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126421 Kurt, that picture seems to be an "enhancment" of a picture in the collection of Gary B. Peterson. <a href="http://www.kued.org/productions/voices/archive/abel.htm" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a link to the image in that collection. Gary is a Utah historian and has written for the Utah History Encyclopedia, other Utah state histories, and some books. Kurt, that picture seems to be an “enhancment” of a picture in the collection of Gary B. Peterson. Here is a link to the image in that collection. Gary is a Utah historian and has written for the Utah History Encyclopedia, other Utah state histories, and some books.

]]> By: StealthBomber http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/03/a-preacher-of-righteousness/#comment-126389 StealthBomber Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:52:50 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=3027#comment-126389 Nate, Thanks for the post. For what it's worth, www.blacklds.org is a great website for African-American saints (and the 'testimonies' section is jaw-droppingly inspiring to all). Nate,

Thanks for the post. For what it’s worth, http://www.blacklds.org is a great website for African-American saints (and the ‘testimonies’ section is jaw-droppingly inspiring to all).

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