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		<title>By: Chad S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful post, Rosalynde.  Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-123798</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served in the Japan Fukuoka Mission. My brother served in the St. Louis Missouri Mission two years after me. There were advantages and disadvantages to both. I am glad that I went to Japan and he is glad he didn&#039;t, even the day he opened the letter from President Kimball, and he is glad he went to Missouri instead. He loves Missouri as much as I love Japan.

It takes most of the mission to learn enough Japanese to have decent conversations in areas outside of the memorized lesson plan whereas my brother could teach the gospel effectively from day one. I had about 6 or 8 months of truely effective teaching beyond tagging along or floundering, he had 23 1/2 months of effective teaching. The difficult languages tend to drive a more rigid hierarchy since you can&#039;t function as a senior companion without some language skills. Often the hardest problems (like that time my companion told our land lady that in America the whole country was clean enough that we didn&#039;t need to take our shoes off indoors and she kicked us out) require advanced diplomatic language skills. At least the DL needs to be able to survive independently. There is definitely more of a Senior-Junior companion relationship instead of equality and teamwork. My brother was a ZL at 3 months in Missouri and in Japan 15 months minimum for anyone that I knew who made ZL.. And if they send all the &quot;stars&quot; to Japan, that explains why I never did make ZL (not my skeptical obnoxious attitude). My brother had more opportunities to see how wards function and learn the leadership skills helpful for further service in the church today.This might be the most valuable aspect of a mission. He fits into a ward far better than I do. Most of the small branches in Japan where I served functioned more like girl scout troops than churches and did little to prepare me for future callings, beyond basics like prayer and follow the Spirit.

It is much harder to keep in touch across an ocean than across a few states. My brother can go back and see people in Missouri, I have never returned to Japan and may never be able to. I can&#039;t even write coherently in Japanese and two of my native companions could not communicate in English so I could never keep in touch with them. Some of the people we taught were pretty good in English but as time goes by they loose it and contact becomes more difficult. Long term retention in Japan is under 10%; where the church once was something that brought us together, it becomes a reason to avoid each other.

Then there is the little problem of wanting to marry someone from your mission since missions are done during the height of the marrying season. Marriage to a Japanese woman, regardless of her personality, would entail enormous lifelong cultural accomodations that a 21 year old can not possibly comprehend. For some, it can be done. But for me I think this would have been a grave mistake, nothing short of a disaster. Marriage to a woman from Missouri would depend entirely on the person and not be the same sort of a problem. My brother married a wonderful girl from Idaho; something to keep in mind when serving there, they raise mighty fine women.

When I came home, I had not even seen more than 3 or 4 American women for more than a few minutes the entire 2 years. My perception of what was attractive in a woman had changed so drastically that I found every American girl to be, quite frankly, ugly. All were too tall and gawky with wide pale eyes, funny colored frizzy hair and enormous noses and ears and monstrous feet. Not to mention other anatomic features that seemed grotesque to the extreme. And they dressed like whores. And they seemed so obnoxious, selfish, impolite, aggressive, demanding and crude. This was all due to cultural differences; I had grown accustomed to one thing and needed to re-adjust. Add to it the injunction given by my MP to get married within 6 months and it seemed that only a Japanese girl would do. It took me 6 months before American girls were even tolerable to be around again and by then I was seriously dating a beautiful Japanese girl.

Fortunately we did not marry. But I watched 4 of the Japanese girls I dated, including her, go through nothing less than hell over the next decade as they got involved with American return missionaries and the relationships or marriages failed in various ways. These exotic foreign missions can mess with your mind in ways you never imagine.

I agree with the general trend of this thread that we should count our blessings and be grateful for the gifts that God sends to us and not envy others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served in the Japan Fukuoka Mission. My brother served in the St. Louis Missouri Mission two years after me. There were advantages and disadvantages to both. I am glad that I went to Japan and he is glad he didn&#8217;t, even the day he opened the letter from President Kimball, and he is glad he went to Missouri instead. He loves Missouri as much as I love Japan.</p>
<p>It takes most of the mission to learn enough Japanese to have decent conversations in areas outside of the memorized lesson plan whereas my brother could teach the gospel effectively from day one. I had about 6 or 8 months of truely effective teaching beyond tagging along or floundering, he had 23 1/2 months of effective teaching. The difficult languages tend to drive a more rigid hierarchy since you can&#8217;t function as a senior companion without some language skills. Often the hardest problems (like that time my companion told our land lady that in America the whole country was clean enough that we didn&#8217;t need to take our shoes off indoors and she kicked us out) require advanced diplomatic language skills. At least the DL needs to be able to survive independently. There is definitely more of a Senior-Junior companion relationship instead of equality and teamwork. My brother was a ZL at 3 months in Missouri and in Japan 15 months minimum for anyone that I knew who made ZL.. And if they send all the &#8220;stars&#8221; to Japan, that explains why I never did make ZL (not my skeptical obnoxious attitude). My brother had more opportunities to see how wards function and learn the leadership skills helpful for further service in the church today.This might be the most valuable aspect of a mission. He fits into a ward far better than I do. Most of the small branches in Japan where I served functioned more like girl scout troops than churches and did little to prepare me for future callings, beyond basics like prayer and follow the Spirit.</p>
<p>It is much harder to keep in touch across an ocean than across a few states. My brother can go back and see people in Missouri, I have never returned to Japan and may never be able to. I can&#8217;t even write coherently in Japanese and two of my native companions could not communicate in English so I could never keep in touch with them. Some of the people we taught were pretty good in English but as time goes by they loose it and contact becomes more difficult. Long term retention in Japan is under 10%; where the church once was something that brought us together, it becomes a reason to avoid each other.</p>
<p>Then there is the little problem of wanting to marry someone from your mission since missions are done during the height of the marrying season. Marriage to a Japanese woman, regardless of her personality, would entail enormous lifelong cultural accomodations that a 21 year old can not possibly comprehend. For some, it can be done. But for me I think this would have been a grave mistake, nothing short of a disaster. Marriage to a woman from Missouri would depend entirely on the person and not be the same sort of a problem. My brother married a wonderful girl from Idaho; something to keep in mind when serving there, they raise mighty fine women.</p>
<p>When I came home, I had not even seen more than 3 or 4 American women for more than a few minutes the entire 2 years. My perception of what was attractive in a woman had changed so drastically that I found every American girl to be, quite frankly, ugly. All were too tall and gawky with wide pale eyes, funny colored frizzy hair and enormous noses and ears and monstrous feet. Not to mention other anatomic features that seemed grotesque to the extreme. And they dressed like whores. And they seemed so obnoxious, selfish, impolite, aggressive, demanding and crude. This was all due to cultural differences; I had grown accustomed to one thing and needed to re-adjust. Add to it the injunction given by my MP to get married within 6 months and it seemed that only a Japanese girl would do. It took me 6 months before American girls were even tolerable to be around again and by then I was seriously dating a beautiful Japanese girl.</p>
<p>Fortunately we did not marry. But I watched 4 of the Japanese girls I dated, including her, go through nothing less than hell over the next decade as they got involved with American return missionaries and the relationships or marriages failed in various ways. These exotic foreign missions can mess with your mind in ways you never imagine.</p>
<p>I agree with the general trend of this thread that we should count our blessings and be grateful for the gifts that God sends to us and not envy others.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-121355</link>
		<dc:creator>gst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The importance of keeping up correspondence brings to mind Homer Simpson finding  a stack of letters from his childhood penpal: &quot;Ooh, look--a letter from my old penpal!  [wistfully] Someday I&#039;ll write you back, Osama.&quot;

I was home for the summer working as a delivery driver for a dry cleaner when my mission call came.  I swung by the house in my truck to learn that I was going to some mosquito-ridden banana republic, and then had to finish my route.

My brother received his mission call to serve in Minnesota.  We lived in Wisconsin at the time.  My dad called the missionary department and said &quot;This is great!  Parts of that mission are only five hours from our house.  He can come home on weekends, we&#039;ll do his laundry...&quot;  His call was changed to Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The importance of keeping up correspondence brings to mind Homer Simpson finding  a stack of letters from his childhood penpal: &#8220;Ooh, look&#8211;a letter from my old penpal!  [wistfully] Someday I&#8217;ll write you back, Osama.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was home for the summer working as a delivery driver for a dry cleaner when my mission call came.  I swung by the house in my truck to learn that I was going to some mosquito-ridden banana republic, and then had to finish my route.</p>
<p>My brother received his mission call to serve in Minnesota.  We lived in Wisconsin at the time.  My dad called the missionary department and said &#8220;This is great!  Parts of that mission are only five hours from our house.  He can come home on weekends, we&#8217;ll do his laundry&#8230;&#8221;  His call was changed to Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120999</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Getting to know the members in those small branches and wards. Learning their conversion stories. Learning of their daily struggles as pioneers in a non-Mormon environment. Taking note of names and addresses to send them birthday and Christmas cards for the rest of their lives because each card can make such a difference.&quot;

I bitterly regret that it is eternally too late.  My mission discouraged it some, but mostly its my own fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Getting to know the members in those small branches and wards. Learning their conversion stories. Learning of their daily struggles as pioneers in a non-Mormon environment. Taking note of names and addresses to send them birthday and Christmas cards for the rest of their lives because each card can make such a difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>I bitterly regret that it is eternally too late.  My mission discouraged it some, but mostly its my own fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120976</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Robert C. Though I am willing now to do so, what about those years just after my mission, when I was trying to find a wife, then had children and was trying to figure out how to feed them while going to school, etc. I wan&#039;t a good home teacher then. There&#039;s no reason to believe I would have done a good job of keeping in touch with people from my mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Robert C. Though I am willing now to do so, what about those years just after my mission, when I was trying to find a wife, then had children and was trying to figure out how to feed them while going to school, etc. I wan&#8217;t a good home teacher then. There&#8217;s no reason to believe I would have done a good job of keeping in touch with people from my mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120975</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea behind the advice in missions that danithew refers to (#56) is to get new members to become friends with other members of the ward rather than just with the missionaries (so when the missionaries leave they&#039;ll have a support group).  But I feel guilt over not keeping better track of people I met on my mission.  I wasn&#039;t very good at recording names and addresses either, but I also was so busy right after my mission trying to figure out the rest of my life that I wasn&#039;t very good about keeping in touch with those I did have names and addresses for....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea behind the advice in missions that danithew refers to (#56) is to get new members to become friends with other members of the ward rather than just with the missionaries (so when the missionaries leave they&#8217;ll have a support group).  But I feel guilt over not keeping better track of people I met on my mission.  I wasn&#8217;t very good at recording names and addresses either, but I also was so busy right after my mission trying to figure out the rest of my life that I wasn&#8217;t very good about keeping in touch with those I did have names and addresses for&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120973</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sympathetic to mission presidents and others who have to deal with friendships gone wrong: boy/girlfriends for example, or would be boy/girlfriends, and families who have decided that the missionary is now one of their family. (My oldest son dealt with a touchy situation like the last of these for some time after his mission.) In other words, I think I understand where the prohibitions (which I believer are local rather than general) come from. But is the best we can do to tell the missionaries, &quot;Just say no, no matter who it is&quot;? I hope not. On the other hand, having spent several years as a branch president at the Missionary Training Center, I know how exhausting it can be to work with missionaries who refuse to have good sense. They are in the minority, but they take a tremendous amount of energy, energy that may mean it is better just to make a rule and stick to it. 

But I still wish I&#039;d been advised to keep track of people. Some might have stayed in the Church; some might have joined. And I would have been strengthened by hearing from those who stayed without my help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sympathetic to mission presidents and others who have to deal with friendships gone wrong: boy/girlfriends for example, or would be boy/girlfriends, and families who have decided that the missionary is now one of their family. (My oldest son dealt with a touchy situation like the last of these for some time after his mission.) In other words, I think I understand where the prohibitions (which I believer are local rather than general) come from. But is the best we can do to tell the missionaries, &#8220;Just say no, no matter who it is&#8221;? I hope not. On the other hand, having spent several years as a branch president at the Missionary Training Center, I know how exhausting it can be to work with missionaries who refuse to have good sense. They are in the minority, but they take a tremendous amount of energy, energy that may mean it is better just to make a rule and stick to it. </p>
<p>But I still wish I&#8217;d been advised to keep track of people. Some might have stayed in the Church; some might have joined. And I would have been strengthened by hearing from those who stayed without my help.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120971</link>
		<dc:creator>danithew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I had the strange experience of hearing during my mission (in a talk that was given) that it would be better if we did not try to keep in track with our investigators or converts.  I took it for granted that this was what we were supposed to do so I heeded it.  I now wonder about some of the people and families I taught who were baptized -- whether they were sealed, whether they are still active, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I had the strange experience of hearing during my mission (in a talk that was given) that it would be better if we did not try to keep in track with our investigators or converts.  I took it for granted that this was what we were supposed to do so I heeded it.  I now wonder about some of the people and families I taught who were baptized &#8212; whether they were sealed, whether they are still active, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried, thanks for the reminder of what we ought to emphasize regardless of our mission. I regret deeply that I did not keep track of those I got to know as a missionary. But, I hate to say, I didn&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; of it. I wish someone had said, &quot;Elder, write not only the names of those you baptize--or get to know well, even if they aren&#039;t baptized--in your journal, but also their addresses and birthdates. Then keep in touch with them with the occasional card or letter.&quot; I would have been a more sincere friend and, so, a better missionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried, thanks for the reminder of what we ought to emphasize regardless of our mission. I regret deeply that I did not keep track of those I got to know as a missionary. But, I hate to say, I didn&#8217;t even <i>think</i> of it. I wish someone had said, &#8220;Elder, write not only the names of those you baptize&#8211;or get to know well, even if they aren&#8217;t baptized&#8211;in your journal, but also their addresses and birthdates. Then keep in touch with them with the occasional card or letter.&#8221; I would have been a more sincere friend and, so, a better missionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Evans</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/02/call-and-response/#comment-120960</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wish I had possessed the wisdom, as a young guilt-driven missionary, to know that a &#039;thrown&#039; version of [Grant von Harrison] would have hurt me about as much as a flatulent wafting by.&quot;

I struggled as missionary, but I did have the good fortune of being able to peg Grant von Harrison&#039;s ideas (as they were explained to me by missionaries who&#039;d read &lt;i&gt;Drawing on the Powers of Heaven&lt;/i&gt;) as ridiculous.  I think he was the &quot;inspiration&quot; for our many zone conference themes that turned D&amp;C 82:3 on its head, too: if we promise and do X, the Lord would be bound to do Y and, best of all, we can define X and Y!  (The APs re-defined X and Y every conference.  One month we collectively promise God that every day we will have companionship study, be out of our apartments on time, and make 10 street contacts.  By keeping our X promise God would be &quot;bound&quot; -- a la D&amp;C 82:3 -- to produce 30 mission baptisms.   Etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wish I had possessed the wisdom, as a young guilt-driven missionary, to know that a &#8216;thrown&#8217; version of [Grant von Harrison] would have hurt me about as much as a flatulent wafting by.&#8221;</p>
<p>I struggled as missionary, but I did have the good fortune of being able to peg Grant von Harrison&#8217;s ideas (as they were explained to me by missionaries who&#8217;d read <i>Drawing on the Powers of Heaven</i>) as ridiculous.  I think he was the &#8220;inspiration&#8221; for our many zone conference themes that turned D&amp;C 82:3 on its head, too: if we promise and do X, the Lord would be bound to do Y and, best of all, we can define X and Y!  (The APs re-defined X and Y every conference.  One month we collectively promise God that every day we will have companionship study, be out of our apartments on time, and make 10 street contacts.  By keeping our X promise God would be &#8220;bound&#8221; &#8212; a la D&#038;C 82:3 &#8212; to produce 30 mission baptisms.   Etc.)</p>
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