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	<title>Comments on: 12 Questions for Julian Bell</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/01/12-questions-for-julian-bell/#comment-115568</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might just add that iam aware of at least two active members of the Church in the UK who are councillors for the third largest party, the Liberal Democrats (one of whom is simultaneously serving as mayor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might just add that iam aware of at least two active members of the Church in the UK who are councillors for the third largest party, the Liberal Democrats (one of whom is simultaneously serving as mayor).</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those European emigres, although I did not move to the US for religious reasons. I am happy to report that we are returning to Europe this year; for me, love of my green and pleasant England trumps everything. 

It is true that we do have some people leave the UK. As Jonathan points out, it is as likely to be Oceania as it is America. And I have a sense that those that leave are not viewed as brave pioneers. The vast majority of UK Saints stay, and they want others to stay too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those European emigres, although I did not move to the US for religious reasons. I am happy to report that we are returning to Europe this year; for me, love of my green and pleasant England trumps everything. </p>
<p>It is true that we do have some people leave the UK. As Jonathan points out, it is as likely to be Oceania as it is America. And I have a sense that those that leave are not viewed as brave pioneers. The vast majority of UK Saints stay, and they want others to stay too.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan M.,

Thanks for that very fine comment; it adds a needed element to this discussion. (Not that we haven&#039;t thrown enough at poor Brother Bell already!). If you haven&#039;t seen it, you might want to check out a long thread prompted by a post by Wilfried Decoo, titled &quot;Remain in your homeland&quot; (click &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2642&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Some of the very tensions and problems you mention are addressed there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan M.,</p>
<p>Thanks for that very fine comment; it adds a needed element to this discussion. (Not that we haven&#8217;t thrown enough at poor Brother Bell already!). If you haven&#8217;t seen it, you might want to check out a long thread prompted by a post by Wilfried Decoo, titled &#8220;Remain in your homeland&#8221; (click <a href="http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2642" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Some of the very tensions and problems you mention are addressed there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/01/12-questions-for-julian-bell/#comment-115287</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 06:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Brit now resident in Australia, I would like to make a few comments that I hope are of interest. Brian Adam, a member of the Scottish Parliament who represents the Scottish Nationalist Party which campaigns for independence from the UK, is an active member of the Church. David Baxter, now an Area Authority, fought a seat for the Conservative Party unsuccessfully at a General Election, some years ago. And RM Scott Dyble, ran for the small UK Independence Party (which campaigns for withdrawal from the European Union) at the recent election. Quite a few members have served/are serving as councillors or mayors. Some of this information is available at the official UK internet site of the Church. It seems clear that political allegiance of members in the UK is more diverse than some might expect.

Ana asks how UK members feel about the departure of their fellow countrymen and women for America last century. My concern, however, is more for the continuing migration of significant numbers of the strongest, most able members to the U.S. True, there are positives, such as increased likelihood of children of migrants remaining within the fold in heavily LDS areas. But the Church in the UK continues to pay a heavy price for this in terms of loss of committed members. Does anyone know how many UK-born Mormons live in the States (or indeed, Canada). I would be surprised if the number were less than 40,000, though obviously, not all will be active. Given that at most 60,000 of the purported 180,000 members in the UK have any realistic affiliation to the Church in practice I find this a regrettable trend..though I admit to a degree of hypocrisy since I left for Australia myself (though Australia has some of the same problems with migration that bedevils the UK Church)!

How about a few more brave North American members returning the favour, by migrating to the UK to add to the stability of the Church there??


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Brit now resident in Australia, I would like to make a few comments that I hope are of interest. Brian Adam, a member of the Scottish Parliament who represents the Scottish Nationalist Party which campaigns for independence from the UK, is an active member of the Church. David Baxter, now an Area Authority, fought a seat for the Conservative Party unsuccessfully at a General Election, some years ago. And RM Scott Dyble, ran for the small UK Independence Party (which campaigns for withdrawal from the European Union) at the recent election. Quite a few members have served/are serving as councillors or mayors. Some of this information is available at the official UK internet site of the Church. It seems clear that political allegiance of members in the UK is more diverse than some might expect.</p>
<p>Ana asks how UK members feel about the departure of their fellow countrymen and women for America last century. My concern, however, is more for the continuing migration of significant numbers of the strongest, most able members to the U.S. True, there are positives, such as increased likelihood of children of migrants remaining within the fold in heavily LDS areas. But the Church in the UK continues to pay a heavy price for this in terms of loss of committed members. Does anyone know how many UK-born Mormons live in the States (or indeed, Canada). I would be surprised if the number were less than 40,000, though obviously, not all will be active. Given that at most 60,000 of the purported 180,000 members in the UK have any realistic affiliation to the Church in practice I find this a regrettable trend..though I admit to a degree of hypocrisy since I left for Australia myself (though Australia has some of the same problems with migration that bedevils the UK Church)!</p>
<p>How about a few more brave North American members returning the favour, by migrating to the UK to add to the stability of the Church there??</p>
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		<title>By: Bonjo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the runup to and aftermath of the 2003 War in Iraq, I noticed considerable tension on the part of European Saints who opposed the actions of the U.S.  President Hinckley&#039;s comments in April 2003 (War and Peace) lead me to believe that this type of sentiment was widespread.  From my own anecdotal observations, President Hinckley&#039;s comments did not seem to &quot;appease&quot; the European Saints that I have encountered.

Great Britain was a key ally to the U.S. strategy in Iraq, something that has been politically costly for Tony Blair.  How do (typical) British LDS view the War in Iraq?  How do they view their ties to an &quot;American&quot; Church?  Have missionaries (or the Church itself) experienced difficulty in reaching out to others, or suffered any &quot;persecutions&quot; as a result of these American ties (or, in the case of many missionaries, simply being American)?  Do Brits simply see past the differences in political opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the runup to and aftermath of the 2003 War in Iraq, I noticed considerable tension on the part of European Saints who opposed the actions of the U.S.  President Hinckley&#8217;s comments in April 2003 (War and Peace) lead me to believe that this type of sentiment was widespread.  From my own anecdotal observations, President Hinckley&#8217;s comments did not seem to &#8220;appease&#8221; the European Saints that I have encountered.</p>
<p>Great Britain was a key ally to the U.S. strategy in Iraq, something that has been politically costly for Tony Blair.  How do (typical) British LDS view the War in Iraq?  How do they view their ties to an &#8220;American&#8221; Church?  Have missionaries (or the Church itself) experienced difficulty in reaching out to others, or suffered any &#8220;persecutions&#8221; as a result of these American ties (or, in the case of many missionaries, simply being American)?  Do Brits simply see past the differences in political opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do Saints in England address or feel about the departure of thousands of their LDS predecessors for the U.S. during the gathering phase of Church history? Is there any wish that those people&#039;s descendants were still in their homeland? Pride in what they accomplished in the American West? Or something else entirely?

Just from what you see and hear, of course ... I don&#039;t expect you to speak for an entire nation of Mormons on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do Saints in England address or feel about the departure of thousands of their LDS predecessors for the U.S. during the gathering phase of Church history? Is there any wish that those people&#8217;s descendants were still in their homeland? Pride in what they accomplished in the American West? Or something else entirely?</p>
<p>Just from what you see and hear, of course &#8230; I don&#8217;t expect you to speak for an entire nation of Mormons on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2006/01/12-questions-for-julian-bell/#comment-114907</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Piggy-backing on some of the more political questions above, a question about religion and contemporary British political culture: if the news stories are to be believed, Tony Blair is probably the most explicitly religious Prime Minister--in the sense of invoking God in his speeches, sometimes employing scriptural or theological principles in defense of his preferred policies, generally approaching social problems with a &quot;moralistic&quot; tone, etc.--Britain has had in generations. Americans, for better or worse, are quite used to the presence of religious (particularly Protestant Christian) language in politics, and there is a long history of Mormons trying to figure out how they should feel about it or relate to it. What about in Britain? Has anything about Blair&#039;s religiousity registered, so far as you can tell, in either a positive or negative with British saints? What kind of worries, if any, could you imagine you or the typical British saint might have about a revival of religious sentiment in public affairs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piggy-backing on some of the more political questions above, a question about religion and contemporary British political culture: if the news stories are to be believed, Tony Blair is probably the most explicitly religious Prime Minister&#8211;in the sense of invoking God in his speeches, sometimes employing scriptural or theological principles in defense of his preferred policies, generally approaching social problems with a &#8220;moralistic&#8221; tone, etc.&#8211;Britain has had in generations. Americans, for better or worse, are quite used to the presence of religious (particularly Protestant Christian) language in politics, and there is a long history of Mormons trying to figure out how they should feel about it or relate to it. What about in Britain? Has anything about Blair&#8217;s religiousity registered, so far as you can tell, in either a positive or negative with British saints? What kind of worries, if any, could you imagine you or the typical British saint might have about a revival of religious sentiment in public affairs?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enochville,

Every parliamentary system has different rules about how elections work. Generally speaking, there are statutes--as well as party traditions and obligations--which limit to a degree the ability of a prime minister to call an election &quot;whenever he or she wants to.&quot; More usually, there are set term limits, and a prime minister must call an election before those limits expire, but may also call an election a while beforehand if other concerns force his or her hand (a vote of no confidence within the parliament itself, for example). Also, generally you have certain candidates nominated by their respective parties to stand for seats representing certain districts or ridings, but there are often no hard or fast rules about residency requirements or substitutions (that is, it is not uncommon for parties concerned about election results to make as certain as possible that key candidates are placed in districts where they have a greater likelihood of being elected). You also sometimes have &quot;at large&quot; candidates with no particular district. Overwhelmingly, in the past, parliamentary systems in Western Europe and Canda have been party-centric (that is, you voted for the party, not necessarily the candidate), but in recent years American-style &quot;retail,&quot; person-to-candidate politics has become more common. And yes, when an election is called, everyone comes up for election all at once--parliamentary systems, especially contemporary ones, are essentially unicameral in that sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enochville,</p>
<p>Every parliamentary system has different rules about how elections work. Generally speaking, there are statutes&#8211;as well as party traditions and obligations&#8211;which limit to a degree the ability of a prime minister to call an election &#8220;whenever he or she wants to.&#8221; More usually, there are set term limits, and a prime minister must call an election before those limits expire, but may also call an election a while beforehand if other concerns force his or her hand (a vote of no confidence within the parliament itself, for example). Also, generally you have certain candidates nominated by their respective parties to stand for seats representing certain districts or ridings, but there are often no hard or fast rules about residency requirements or substitutions (that is, it is not uncommon for parties concerned about election results to make as certain as possible that key candidates are placed in districts where they have a greater likelihood of being elected). You also sometimes have &#8220;at large&#8221; candidates with no particular district. Overwhelmingly, in the past, parliamentary systems in Western Europe and Canda have been party-centric (that is, you voted for the party, not necessarily the candidate), but in recent years American-style &#8220;retail,&#8221; person-to-candidate politics has become more common. And yes, when an election is called, everyone comes up for election all at once&#8211;parliamentary systems, especially contemporary ones, are essentially unicameral in that sense.</p>
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		<title>By: lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the other members of the Commonwealth?  I understand that Albertan LDS are similar politically to US LDS.  Why the difference in the UK...if any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the other members of the Commonwealth?  I understand that Albertan LDS are similar politically to US LDS.  Why the difference in the UK&#8230;if any?</p>
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		<title>By: enochville</title>
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		<dc:creator>enochville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for those familiar with a parlimentary system of government. (I don&#039;t think we should waste one of the 12 questions on this). How does the parlimentary system work? How is it that a Prime Minister can just call for elections apparently when he or she wants to? Are all of the seats in Parliment up for re-election at that time? Do voters just vote for the party instead of individual people for specific seats? I understand that the party with the most seats must obtain a majority of seats through alliances before they can truly govern, and its the head of the majority party who becomes Prime Minister. Someone please help this American understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for those familiar with a parlimentary system of government. (I don&#8217;t think we should waste one of the 12 questions on this). How does the parlimentary system work? How is it that a Prime Minister can just call for elections apparently when he or she wants to? Are all of the seats in Parliment up for re-election at that time? Do voters just vote for the party instead of individual people for specific seats? I understand that the party with the most seats must obtain a majority of seats through alliances before they can truly govern, and its the head of the majority party who becomes Prime Minister. Someone please help this American understand.</p>
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