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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-105097</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel better, I was afraid I had fallen to an attack of inability to see the obvious.

Thanks Adam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel better, I was afraid I had fallen to an attack of inability to see the obvious.</p>
<p>Thanks Adam.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-105058</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen M.,

I think we&#039;ve taken it down.  We decided it was promoting posts on the basis of controversy, not quality.  We have a replacement link to top posts in mind, but we haven&#039;t done it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen M.,</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve taken it down.  We decided it was promoting posts on the basis of controversy, not quality.  We have a replacement link to top posts in mind, but we haven&#8217;t done it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-105032</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi -- where is the list of longest threads?  I must just be blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi &#8212; where is the list of longest threads?  I must just be blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Rogers</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104994</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Kaimi?! No hyperlinks?!!

Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Kaimi?! No hyperlinks?!!</p>
<p>Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104992</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethesis,

It&#039;s on the list, I think.  I doubt that it has passed Julie&#039;s Horse thread yet, or Melissa&#039;s Powerful Women thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethesis,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s on the list, I think.  I doubt that it has passed Julie&#8217;s Horse thread yet, or Melissa&#8217;s Powerful Women thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104991</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, realized I can no longer find the &quot;longest threads&quot; collections of links here at T&amp;S.

Was curious where this was headed on the ten longest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, realized I can no longer find the &#8220;longest threads&#8221; collections of links here at T&#038;S.</p>
<p>Was curious where this was headed on the ten longest.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104948</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

You have brought back to mind one of the single most bizarre artistic encounters I, as a philistine, have ever had.  My friend and I attended a free music recital at BYU only to discover that it was experimental music.  This turned out to be very bad.  The climax was a variety of, presumably accomplished, violinists smacking their violins in various ways while a man at a mike shouted, &quot;It can hurt, and still be art!&quot;  

This was, naturally, the object of a great deal of later mockery by me and my friend, though the point is valid.  Whether or not something hurts does not tell me whether or not it is art.  The two are seperate questions, each important.  Well, at least one of them is important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>You have brought back to mind one of the single most bizarre artistic encounters I, as a philistine, have ever had.  My friend and I attended a free music recital at BYU only to discover that it was experimental music.  This turned out to be very bad.  The climax was a variety of, presumably accomplished, violinists smacking their violins in various ways while a man at a mike shouted, &#8220;It can hurt, and still be art!&#8221;  </p>
<p>This was, naturally, the object of a great deal of later mockery by me and my friend, though the point is valid.  Whether or not something hurts does not tell me whether or not it is art.  The two are seperate questions, each important.  Well, at least one of them is important.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Green</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, a more serious answer, since it&#039;s Monday. I think you&#039;re setting the bar fairly high by demanding not just something characteristically Mormon before being content with the label &#039;Mormon art&#039;, but something uniquely Mormon as well. Identifying anything as uniquely Mormon is not easy, but I suggest that we do have a fairly well worked out epistemology of prophets, revelation, and confirmation. If the poet/artist is a prophet, communicating his or her particular vision to a wider audience, then a uniquely Mormon art could involve artists called out from among the audience and in constant, two-way discussion with them, and with the audience as responsible for the performance as the artist. I think that by that measure, Steve E. is not entirely off base when he looks to blogs as a new artistic medium for the Mormon vernacular.

Nate: Generally speaking, yes, lit crits can tell serious criticism from parody, although there are borderline cases. (There is one post-classical Latin grammarian that I find absolutely hilarious; others think his description of varieties of Latinity was meant to be serious.) Certain modes of criticism intentionally blur the distinction between scholarly discourse and parodies of the same. They can be useful on some occasions, but tend to be hazardous if being clearly understood is one of your primary objectives. My preference is to avoid writing or reading that brand of criticism where possible. Am I guilty of it in my review? Yes, but it serves a useful purpose there, by making things just ridiculous enough for aesthetic considerations to be palatable while the ethical issues are still causing some people indigestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, a more serious answer, since it&#8217;s Monday. I think you&#8217;re setting the bar fairly high by demanding not just something characteristically Mormon before being content with the label &#8216;Mormon art&#8217;, but something uniquely Mormon as well. Identifying anything as uniquely Mormon is not easy, but I suggest that we do have a fairly well worked out epistemology of prophets, revelation, and confirmation. If the poet/artist is a prophet, communicating his or her particular vision to a wider audience, then a uniquely Mormon art could involve artists called out from among the audience and in constant, two-way discussion with them, and with the audience as responsible for the performance as the artist. I think that by that measure, Steve E. is not entirely off base when he looks to blogs as a new artistic medium for the Mormon vernacular.</p>
<p>Nate: Generally speaking, yes, lit crits can tell serious criticism from parody, although there are borderline cases. (There is one post-classical Latin grammarian that I find absolutely hilarious; others think his description of varieties of Latinity was meant to be serious.) Certain modes of criticism intentionally blur the distinction between scholarly discourse and parodies of the same. They can be useful on some occasions, but tend to be hazardous if being clearly understood is one of your primary objectives. My preference is to avoid writing or reading that brand of criticism where possible. Am I guilty of it in my review? Yes, but it serves a useful purpose there, by making things just ridiculous enough for aesthetic considerations to be palatable while the ethical issues are still causing some people indigestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Oman</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104903</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Oman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian:  Needless to say, I am eager and thrilled to say that I know Shannon more than slightly.  I just don&#039;t want to get carried away in tooting my own horn.  I suppose that I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have letters that she wrote me on the back of xerox copies of her face, so I do know here more than &quot;slightly.&quot; ;-&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian:  Needless to say, I am eager and thrilled to say that I know Shannon more than slightly.  I just don&#8217;t want to get carried away in tooting my own horn.  I suppose that I <i>do</i> have letters that she wrote me on the back of xerox copies of her face, so I do know here more than &#8220;slightly.&#8221; ;-></p>
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		<title>By: Brian G</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/10/blogging-lying-and-legal-theory/#comment-104901</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, all I wanted to do was express appreciation for people that have shown me understanding, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, all I wanted to do was express appreciation for people that have shown me understanding, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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