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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-103313</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, to continue with my expired equine flagellation, I want to post this excellent entry from the FAQ on the NOAA hurricane site on exactly why it&#039;s impossible for humanity to control hurricanes.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5f.html

By the way, the church website was updated to tell of the help we&#039;re giving to Pakistani earthquake victims.  The church can&#039;t be there, apparently, but they are going through an Islamic relief agency.  I&#039;m so glad.  It really bothers me that some people are witholding help for political reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, to continue with my expired equine flagellation, I want to post this excellent entry from the FAQ on the NOAA hurricane site on exactly why it&#8217;s impossible for humanity to control hurricanes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5f.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5f.html</a></p>
<p>By the way, the church website was updated to tell of the help we&#8217;re giving to Pakistani earthquake victims.  The church can&#8217;t be there, apparently, but they are going through an Islamic relief agency.  I&#8217;m so glad.  It really bothers me that some people are witholding help for political reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-101299</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know if the church is able to help out with the relief efforts for the earthquake in Pakistan?  There&#039;s nothing specific about the earthquake on the LDS website, but I&#039;d like to give to humanitarian aid emergency relief to go toward that.  It&#039;s been three days so far with no mention.  Are we unable to help because of it being an Islamic country?  Can anyone tell me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know if the church is able to help out with the relief efforts for the earthquake in Pakistan?  There&#8217;s nothing specific about the earthquake on the LDS website, but I&#8217;d like to give to humanitarian aid emergency relief to go toward that.  It&#8217;s been three days so far with no mention.  Are we unable to help because of it being an Islamic country?  Can anyone tell me?</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-100691</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051010.html

Here is a nice view of Saturn, showing dozens of tropical storm systems there, as well.  Each of these small spots is a storm larger than any hurricane on earth.  These storms are features of all rotating planets with atmospheres.  

More evidence you might want to consider is why, if these two storms were generated and controlled by malevolent forces, did Katrina lose strength from category 5 to 4 and veer to the right missing New Orleans, just before it came ashore?  Why did Rita drastically lose strength from what would be a category 6 if there were such a thing, to a 3 not long before landfall and miss Dallas by a good long way?  

Warm oceans such as occur at the end of the summer cause warm moist air to rise.  The rising air is replaced by cooler air moving inward from every direction.  The air that moves from the north toward the south veers westward because of the planet&#039;s rotation.  It has to catch up, via friction, to the greater rotation velocity nearer the equator.  The air moving in from the south veers eastward because it&#039;s already rotating faster and friction has to slow it down.  Add up these effects over time and you get a whirling storm.  

If someone were to go about deliberately intensifying the storms, they&#039;d have to do it by the same slow awkward means that nature uses, namely warming the entire Atlantic Ocean.  The exact track a hurricane takes can&#039;t even be predicted, must less controlled.  Do not worry that any humans are affecting these storms other than possibly all our collective greenhouse gas emissions which are gradually warming the planet.  Fears of malevolent powerful enemies who can control hurricanes are completely unfounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051010.html" rel="nofollow">http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap051010.html</a></p>
<p>Here is a nice view of Saturn, showing dozens of tropical storm systems there, as well.  Each of these small spots is a storm larger than any hurricane on earth.  These storms are features of all rotating planets with atmospheres.  </p>
<p>More evidence you might want to consider is why, if these two storms were generated and controlled by malevolent forces, did Katrina lose strength from category 5 to 4 and veer to the right missing New Orleans, just before it came ashore?  Why did Rita drastically lose strength from what would be a category 6 if there were such a thing, to a 3 not long before landfall and miss Dallas by a good long way?  </p>
<p>Warm oceans such as occur at the end of the summer cause warm moist air to rise.  The rising air is replaced by cooler air moving inward from every direction.  The air that moves from the north toward the south veers westward because of the planet&#8217;s rotation.  It has to catch up, via friction, to the greater rotation velocity nearer the equator.  The air moving in from the south veers eastward because it&#8217;s already rotating faster and friction has to slow it down.  Add up these effects over time and you get a whirling storm.  </p>
<p>If someone were to go about deliberately intensifying the storms, they&#8217;d have to do it by the same slow awkward means that nature uses, namely warming the entire Atlantic Ocean.  The exact track a hurricane takes can&#8217;t even be predicted, must less controlled.  Do not worry that any humans are affecting these storms other than possibly all our collective greenhouse gas emissions which are gradually warming the planet.  Fears of malevolent powerful enemies who can control hurricanes are completely unfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Curtis</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97588</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 04:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate ones skepticism of such things as scalar engineering.  However skepticism is not in and of itself a rebuttal to reality.  Many time&#039;s it is more revelatory to the state of mind of the skeptic.  Joseph Smith told Brigham Young on one occasion that there were many things he could tell him, but that if he did so Brigham would leave him.  Brigham Young replied to Joseph, then don&#039;t tell me.  I suppose there are any number of things that Brigham Young could tell us that could likewise cause us to leave him.  Of course Pres. Hinckley has to bite his tongue.  The greatest example of keeping certain things from the skeptical public are the sealed plates of the Book of Mormon, plates which show all things from the beginning of creation to the very end.  Obviously there are issues that would not be received by man today, other wise we would have them.

I am so grateful that God has poured out His spirit upon all flesh and not just a few cloistered scientists huddled in their monastic peer review citadels of wisdom.  The thought of the journal of science, nature, the new england journal of medicine, lancet and other such good old boy publications, being the final word on what’s real, sends a cold chill down my skeletal underpinnings.  The search for truth in every field is wrought with the well intended, as well as the unintended conclusions, delusions, illusions, and contusions of cerebral Pharaohs who say this is the way it is.  

There is no such thing as the main stream of science, if that were the case science would die, immediately.  Today’s quacks may be tomorrow’s earthquakes.  I am reminded of an early church film, “Mans Search For happiness.”  The buzz phrase for this movie was…..Only if you are unafraid of the truth will you ever find it.

In no place is new science received with less enthusiasm than old science.  And it all goes back to old science losing its funding, i.e. turf wars.  Science is all about getting funding and then keeping it.  Unfortunately the reality is also “who provides the funding controls the flow of information for that which is funded.”  I have nothing against science, I have angst only for the flow of information from science, the hands that control that flow may not be holy hands.

In any case I am not trying to convince any one of anything.  I am suggesting that 
1.	Man has been made lord over all the earth and everything on it.
2.	Some scientists attempt to deify themselves, just before they die.
3.	Secret combinations can be found in most all organizations.
4.	Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others may be dead, but there are those alive who would gladly fill their shoes.
5.	Much of technology is hidden technology.
6.	God allows evil persons, government, associations, corporations, and combinations of all kinds to chasten his people.  The scriptures are replete with examples.
7.	Billions have been expended to create weapons of mass destruction, by our own government as well as others.  Do you honestly believe that you are aware of everything?
8.	The confluence of events we are now seeing are startling in their strategic targeting.
9.	I have a very long list, you fill in the rest.
10.	Read the Book of Mormon by years end.  Its all in there!

Harold B. Curtis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate ones skepticism of such things as scalar engineering.  However skepticism is not in and of itself a rebuttal to reality.  Many time&#8217;s it is more revelatory to the state of mind of the skeptic.  Joseph Smith told Brigham Young on one occasion that there were many things he could tell him, but that if he did so Brigham would leave him.  Brigham Young replied to Joseph, then don&#8217;t tell me.  I suppose there are any number of things that Brigham Young could tell us that could likewise cause us to leave him.  Of course Pres. Hinckley has to bite his tongue.  The greatest example of keeping certain things from the skeptical public are the sealed plates of the Book of Mormon, plates which show all things from the beginning of creation to the very end.  Obviously there are issues that would not be received by man today, other wise we would have them.</p>
<p>I am so grateful that God has poured out His spirit upon all flesh and not just a few cloistered scientists huddled in their monastic peer review citadels of wisdom.  The thought of the journal of science, nature, the new england journal of medicine, lancet and other such good old boy publications, being the final word on what’s real, sends a cold chill down my skeletal underpinnings.  The search for truth in every field is wrought with the well intended, as well as the unintended conclusions, delusions, illusions, and contusions of cerebral Pharaohs who say this is the way it is.  </p>
<p>There is no such thing as the main stream of science, if that were the case science would die, immediately.  Today’s quacks may be tomorrow’s earthquakes.  I am reminded of an early church film, “Mans Search For happiness.”  The buzz phrase for this movie was…..Only if you are unafraid of the truth will you ever find it.</p>
<p>In no place is new science received with less enthusiasm than old science.  And it all goes back to old science losing its funding, i.e. turf wars.  Science is all about getting funding and then keeping it.  Unfortunately the reality is also “who provides the funding controls the flow of information for that which is funded.”  I have nothing against science, I have angst only for the flow of information from science, the hands that control that flow may not be holy hands.</p>
<p>In any case I am not trying to convince any one of anything.  I am suggesting that<br />
1.	Man has been made lord over all the earth and everything on it.<br />
2.	Some scientists attempt to deify themselves, just before they die.<br />
3.	Secret combinations can be found in most all organizations.<br />
4.	Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others may be dead, but there are those alive who would gladly fill their shoes.<br />
5.	Much of technology is hidden technology.<br />
6.	God allows evil persons, government, associations, corporations, and combinations of all kinds to chasten his people.  The scriptures are replete with examples.<br />
7.	Billions have been expended to create weapons of mass destruction, by our own government as well as others.  Do you honestly believe that you are aware of everything?<br />
8.	The confluence of events we are now seeing are startling in their strategic targeting.<br />
9.	I have a very long list, you fill in the rest.<br />
10.	Read the Book of Mormon by years end.  Its all in there!</p>
<p>Harold B. Curtis</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97503</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing left out by those guys who wrote the websites Harold linked to was the magic carburetor that allows your car&#039;s engine to run on a mixture of gasoline and water and get twice the horsepower and 150 miles per gallon.

If you haven&#039;t heard about it, it&#039;s because the government is in bed with the oil companies and they&#039;re suppressing the good news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing left out by those guys who wrote the websites Harold linked to was the magic carburetor that allows your car&#8217;s engine to run on a mixture of gasoline and water and get twice the horsepower and 150 miles per gallon.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t heard about it, it&#8217;s because the government is in bed with the oil companies and they&#8217;re suppressing the good news.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97497</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This hurricane season in the Pacific is unusually active too, and Hawaii had two big storms headed toward it a couple of weeks ago.  What happens is there are bands of tropical winds, similar to what you see with Jupiter, and every so often they crinkle into waves which then turn into whirlpool storms.  You can count about a dozen on Jupiter in that picture I linked.

The only reason we know of for the increasing frequency and intensity of the storms lately is the climate is getting warmer.  So we humans do exercise a very rough sort of control over hurricanes, we think.  By digging up all the buried carbon (in the form of oil, coal, and natural gas) and releasing it into the atmosphere, we think we&#039;re making the planet warmer.  On the other hand, the Earth&#039;s climate fluctuated quite a bit before we ever started doing that, so we may just have prevented the next ice age from happening.  We&#039;re not totally sure.  We&#039;re running sort of an uncontrolled experiment in climate dynamics on our only liveable planet, which some people think isn&#039;t a very wise use of our stewardship of Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This hurricane season in the Pacific is unusually active too, and Hawaii had two big storms headed toward it a couple of weeks ago.  What happens is there are bands of tropical winds, similar to what you see with Jupiter, and every so often they crinkle into waves which then turn into whirlpool storms.  You can count about a dozen on Jupiter in that picture I linked.</p>
<p>The only reason we know of for the increasing frequency and intensity of the storms lately is the climate is getting warmer.  So we humans do exercise a very rough sort of control over hurricanes, we think.  By digging up all the buried carbon (in the form of oil, coal, and natural gas) and releasing it into the atmosphere, we think we&#8217;re making the planet warmer.  On the other hand, the Earth&#8217;s climate fluctuated quite a bit before we ever started doing that, so we may just have prevented the next ice age from happening.  We&#8217;re not totally sure.  We&#8217;re running sort of an uncontrolled experiment in climate dynamics on our only liveable planet, which some people think isn&#8217;t a very wise use of our stewardship of Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97496</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>annegb: Yes, acts of God or nature.  

The climate is getting warmer, and a hurricane is a vast engine that converts heat into winds.  The rotation of the earth means that air masses that happen to be moving northwards in the tropical Atlantic swing toward the east, and those that happen to be moving southwards swing toward the west, because the equator is farther away from the spin center than the poles.  It&#039;s like a skater pulling in her arms, which makes her speed up.  The air moving northward is pulling closer to the axis of spin, so its spin is sped up.  The air moving southward is drifting farther from the axis of spin, so its spin slows down.  It happens on all rotating planets with atmospheres.  Just be glad you don&#039;t live on Jupiter.  The hurricanes there can be bigger than the whole Earth.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050911.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annegb: Yes, acts of God or nature.  </p>
<p>The climate is getting warmer, and a hurricane is a vast engine that converts heat into winds.  The rotation of the earth means that air masses that happen to be moving northwards in the tropical Atlantic swing toward the east, and those that happen to be moving southwards swing toward the west, because the equator is farther away from the spin center than the poles.  It&#8217;s like a skater pulling in her arms, which makes her speed up.  The air moving northward is pulling closer to the axis of spin, so its spin is sped up.  The air moving southward is drifting farther from the axis of spin, so its spin slows down.  It happens on all rotating planets with atmospheres.  Just be glad you don&#8217;t live on Jupiter.  The hurricanes there can be bigger than the whole Earth.</p>
<p><a href="http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050911.html" rel="nofollow">http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050911.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97483</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andddd.....yet.  We have three hurricanes in a month that destroys 25% of our oil refineries?

This is an act of God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andddd&#8230;..yet.  We have three hurricanes in a month that destroys 25% of our oil refineries?</p>
<p>This is an act of God?</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeD</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97456</link>
		<dc:creator>GeorgeD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Houston Texas. Today we are anticipating a hurricane striking the Texas Gulf Coast up to 90 miles east to 45 miles west. Obviously we are praying for the least damage possible. But I am also angry at the mass hysteria that has been created. Hysteria now is the biggest threat to public safety. 

There is no doubt that evacuation from areas within the possible storm surge must begin before there is any certainty of the location of landfall. The investment in infrastructure to shorten this process would be enormous. But the cost of evacuation isn&#039;t trivial either. So its a big guessing game. Its critical that evacuation be limited to those who need to leave. There is no way that any major city can provide a 48 hour escape from the city. We cannot afford it.

The problem we are experiencing is that all the ninny politicians spooked by Katrina have encouraged a voluntary general evacuation. This is pure sheer stupidity. There is no need for a voluntary general evacuation. Every outbound freeway out of Houston is a parking lot. We have reports of people who should evacuate (from the storm surge area) spending 12 to 18 hours going 30 miles. ]. They are stuck in traffic created by scaredy cat nonnies. 

Our &quot;take no risks&quot; &quot;big-daddy government&quot; mentality has done it again. It has created a nightmarish situation.

It has convinced me that in the peak of a crisis the we are all responsible for our safety. The evacuation of the surge zones was wise. The general evacuation was a monstrous folly and heads should role. I am afraid though that the media and the local governmental officals are all going to pronounce themselves heros and we&#039;ll never hold them accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Houston Texas. Today we are anticipating a hurricane striking the Texas Gulf Coast up to 90 miles east to 45 miles west. Obviously we are praying for the least damage possible. But I am also angry at the mass hysteria that has been created. Hysteria now is the biggest threat to public safety. </p>
<p>There is no doubt that evacuation from areas within the possible storm surge must begin before there is any certainty of the location of landfall. The investment in infrastructure to shorten this process would be enormous. But the cost of evacuation isn&#8217;t trivial either. So its a big guessing game. Its critical that evacuation be limited to those who need to leave. There is no way that any major city can provide a 48 hour escape from the city. We cannot afford it.</p>
<p>The problem we are experiencing is that all the ninny politicians spooked by Katrina have encouraged a voluntary general evacuation. This is pure sheer stupidity. There is no need for a voluntary general evacuation. Every outbound freeway out of Houston is a parking lot. We have reports of people who should evacuate (from the storm surge area) spending 12 to 18 hours going 30 miles. ]. They are stuck in traffic created by scaredy cat nonnies. </p>
<p>Our &#8220;take no risks&#8221; &#8220;big-daddy government&#8221; mentality has done it again. It has created a nightmarish situation.</p>
<p>It has convinced me that in the peak of a crisis the we are all responsible for our safety. The evacuation of the surge zones was wise. The general evacuation was a monstrous folly and heads should role. I am afraid though that the media and the local governmental officals are all going to pronounce themselves heros and we&#8217;ll never hold them accountable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/09/quail-and-the-superdome/#comment-97444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Tatiana!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Tatiana!</p>
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