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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88949</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me recommend for those not familiar with it the Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima composed by Krzysztof Penderecki in 1960.

That same year Shostakovich composed his string quartet no. 8 in c minor, op. 110, &quot;to the memory of the victims of fascism and war&quot;.  He was in Dresden working on a film and the city was still in a ravaged state, fifteen years later.  The scenes reminded him of the siege of Leningrad which he had experienced firsthand as a volunteer firefighter.  In a fit of inspiration, he composed the quartet in three days.  It&#039;s easily the best known of his quartets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me recommend for those not familiar with it the Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima composed by Krzysztof Penderecki in 1960.</p>
<p>That same year Shostakovich composed his string quartet no. 8 in c minor, op. 110, &#8220;to the memory of the victims of fascism and war&#8221;.  He was in Dresden working on a film and the city was still in a ravaged state, fifteen years later.  The scenes reminded him of the siege of Leningrad which he had experienced firsthand as a volunteer firefighter.  In a fit of inspiration, he composed the quartet in three days.  It&#8217;s easily the best known of his quartets.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88865</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack, thank you for that comment. I would welcome a thoughtful discussion here on the dangers of nuclear proliferation. It is indeed high on the news agenda. I mentioned in my post: &quot;But the scare of a future, similar to Hiroshima’s fate, is still with us, today more than yesterday.&quot; 

Manaen (#5) reminded us of Elder McConkie’s warning of coming atomic holocausts.

Where are the dangers? How should we react? What can we do? What have we learned from the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, thank you for that comment. I would welcome a thoughtful discussion here on the dangers of nuclear proliferation. It is indeed high on the news agenda. I mentioned in my post: &#8220;But the scare of a future, similar to Hiroshima’s fate, is still with us, today more than yesterday.&#8221; </p>
<p>Manaen (#5) reminded us of Elder McConkie’s warning of coming atomic holocausts.</p>
<p>Where are the dangers? How should we react? What can we do? What have we learned from the past?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Sprat</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88861</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Sprat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope we will honor the memory of those who died by being very sober in considering the potential for this to happen again.  Talks in Korea and Iran are the biggest news of the week.  As we remember those who have already died, I hope we will also pray for the humility to face the recurring challenges that our US leaders unleashed by using the bomb 60 years ago..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we will honor the memory of those who died by being very sober in considering the potential for this to happen again.  Talks in Korea and Iran are the biggest news of the week.  As we remember those who have already died, I hope we will also pray for the humility to face the recurring challenges that our US leaders unleashed by using the bomb 60 years ago..</p>
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		<title>By: b bell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88858</link>
		<dc:creator>b bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried,

I am thinking of the abuse of women on the eastern front.  One more reason to avoid war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried,</p>
<p>I am thinking of the abuse of women on the eastern front.  One more reason to avoid war.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88853</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b bell, I am sorry you seem to miss the point. This is a thread of respectful commemoration, of reaching out between brothers and sisters of formerly opposing nations, sixty years after the events that had our parents and grandparents fight against each other. Again: &quot;This is not to deny that specific people have been responsible for horrific acts, on all sides, but when we commemorate and try to build a different future, let the accusations rest.&quot;  Please do not call this a fit of political correctness. We know what happened, we know it all too well, but there are plenty of historical sources and sites where the details can be found. No need to spread them out here, and moreover in generalizing terms. 

Please ponder: &quot;The logic of war has always fed on generalizations in representing the enemy, extending the misdeeds of some to all. If those feelings are passed on to the next generation, the cycle can start again.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b bell, I am sorry you seem to miss the point. This is a thread of respectful commemoration, of reaching out between brothers and sisters of formerly opposing nations, sixty years after the events that had our parents and grandparents fight against each other. Again: &#8220;This is not to deny that specific people have been responsible for horrific acts, on all sides, but when we commemorate and try to build a different future, let the accusations rest.&#8221;  Please do not call this a fit of political correctness. We know what happened, we know it all too well, but there are plenty of historical sources and sites where the details can be found. No need to spread them out here, and moreover in generalizing terms. </p>
<p>Please ponder: &#8220;The logic of war has always fed on generalizations in representing the enemy, extending the misdeeds of some to all. If those feelings are passed on to the next generation, the cycle can start again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: b bell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88832</link>
		<dc:creator>b bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfried,

The Soviet troops did rape their way across Germany.  It was partly in revenge for the horrors that the Germans had committed in their invasion of the Soviet Union. Its well documentated.  Its not an accusation.  Its like saying the US dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima.  Its important to point out the horrors of war so they do not occur again.  The horrific abuse of women was a part of the war on the eastern front in Europe.  Its important not to be so sensitive that we ignore what war can do and be afraid to discuss it in a fit of political correctness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfried,</p>
<p>The Soviet troops did rape their way across Germany.  It was partly in revenge for the horrors that the Germans had committed in their invasion of the Soviet Union. Its well documentated.  Its not an accusation.  Its like saying the US dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima.  Its important to point out the horrors of war so they do not occur again.  The horrific abuse of women was a part of the war on the eastern front in Europe.  Its important not to be so sensitive that we ignore what war can do and be afraid to discuss it in a fit of political correctness.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfried</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88806</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it so difficult to commemorate without blaming others by name? In the previous (of course well-meant) comment the &quot;Soviets&quot; were mentioned. Russia alone lost some 12 million soldiers and 20 million civilians during the Second World War, more than any other nation. I wonder how a Church member in Russia would feel reading that &quot;the Soviet troops raped their way across Germany&quot;, while Russia remembers heroism and unspeakable sacrifice in their defense of an attacked nation, just like the Americans? 

Ill feelings and misconceptions are perpetuated when we tend to imply a whole population, like &quot;the Japanese&quot;, &quot;the Germans&quot;, &quot;the Soviets&quot;, and all their troops. The logic of war has always fed on generalizations in representing the enemy, extending the misdeeds of some to all. If those feelings are passed on to the next generation, the cycle can start again. We must learn to be extremely careful in what we say about others. This is not to deny that specific people have been responsible for horrific acts, on all sides, but when we commemorate and try to build a different future, let the accusations rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it so difficult to commemorate without blaming others by name? In the previous (of course well-meant) comment the &#8220;Soviets&#8221; were mentioned. Russia alone lost some 12 million soldiers and 20 million civilians during the Second World War, more than any other nation. I wonder how a Church member in Russia would feel reading that &#8220;the Soviet troops raped their way across Germany&#8221;, while Russia remembers heroism and unspeakable sacrifice in their defense of an attacked nation, just like the Americans? </p>
<p>Ill feelings and misconceptions are perpetuated when we tend to imply a whole population, like &#8220;the Japanese&#8221;, &#8220;the Germans&#8221;, &#8220;the Soviets&#8221;, and all their troops. The logic of war has always fed on generalizations in representing the enemy, extending the misdeeds of some to all. If those feelings are passed on to the next generation, the cycle can start again. We must learn to be extremely careful in what we say about others. This is not to deny that specific people have been responsible for horrific acts, on all sides, but when we commemorate and try to build a different future, let the accusations rest.</p>
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		<title>By: b bell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88728</link>
		<dc:creator>b bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim F.

This is correct.  My grandpa is still scarred by the shooting of his first German soldier from behind as the German cowered behind a bush and the results of losing 90% of his unit when they tried to surrender to a German Pillbox.  This is the result of war.  He also speaks of protecting German civilian women with force from the Soviet troops as the Soviet troops raped their way across Germany in May of 1945.  He shot at a group of Soviet soldiers as they attempted to catch a 14 year old german girl who was fleeing on a bicycle. The large scale abuse of women is also part of the horror of war.

The results of war is always carnage, rape, and death.   One a side note he was back in the states when the bomb was dropped traing to invade Japan.  He says he is grateful for the bomb (despite the carnage) and glad he did not have to participate in the invasion of Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim F.</p>
<p>This is correct.  My grandpa is still scarred by the shooting of his first German soldier from behind as the German cowered behind a bush and the results of losing 90% of his unit when they tried to surrender to a German Pillbox.  This is the result of war.  He also speaks of protecting German civilian women with force from the Soviet troops as the Soviet troops raped their way across Germany in May of 1945.  He shot at a group of Soviet soldiers as they attempted to catch a 14 year old german girl who was fleeing on a bicycle. The large scale abuse of women is also part of the horror of war.</p>
<p>The results of war is always carnage, rape, and death.   One a side note he was back in the states when the bomb was dropped traing to invade Japan.  He says he is grateful for the bomb (despite the carnage) and glad he did not have to participate in the invasion of Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F.</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88719</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b bell reminds us that the tragedy of war is not only its civilian victims, of which there are many in any war, but also the soldier victims on whatever side. The actual human beings who are scarred or destroyed by war immediately disappear when we turn to talk about history and politics, or about who was right and who was wrong. There are times and places for historical, political, and ethical discussions, but Wilfried has invited us to remember at least briefly those millions of individuals who are almost always elided in any discussion of war, individuals with personal histories before and after, with families who are also victims, people with hopes, dreams, aspirations, pains, failings--flesh and blood brothers and sisters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b bell reminds us that the tragedy of war is not only its civilian victims, of which there are many in any war, but also the soldier victims on whatever side. The actual human beings who are scarred or destroyed by war immediately disappear when we turn to talk about history and politics, or about who was right and who was wrong. There are times and places for historical, political, and ethical discussions, but Wilfried has invited us to remember at least briefly those millions of individuals who are almost always elided in any discussion of war, individuals with personal histories before and after, with families who are also victims, people with hopes, dreams, aspirations, pains, failings&#8211;flesh and blood brothers and sisters.</p>
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		<title>By: b bell</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/hiroshima/#comment-88697</link>
		<dc:creator>b bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not discuss the history or the politics.

Hiroshima was a human tragedy like the firebombings of other Japanese cities or the &quot;rape on Nanking&quot; War is horrible even if it is justified.  My grandfather fought in the battle of the bulge and he is still scarred from the experience 60 years later.

Modern war brought carnage and bloodshed to the civilian population much more than previous time periods.  War is always a tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not discuss the history or the politics.</p>
<p>Hiroshima was a human tragedy like the firebombings of other Japanese cities or the &#8220;rape on Nanking&#8221; War is horrible even if it is justified.  My grandfather fought in the battle of the bulge and he is still scarred from the experience 60 years later.</p>
<p>Modern war brought carnage and bloodshed to the civilian population much more than previous time periods.  War is always a tragedy.</p>
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