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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to #14

Priesthood interviews are I think a bigger problem. We rely on a lay Priesthood that may not be very well trained or experienced in some cases. There is a tendency to feel justified in sharing difficult cases with the next guy up the line; Bishops telling Stake Presidents, etc., especially if the leader feels that he is in over his head. I don&#039;t know the law in my state but I think that it might be a breech of clerical confidentality to tell other leaders the contents of these interviews in some cases. I know of one such a breech that happened in my ward and that it was damaging to those who had gone to their Bishop expecting confidential advice and help.

Another humorous comment our Bishop once made on this subject. He pointed out that when he announced something over the pulpit it seemed that no one was listening to him. But when he indicated in ward council that something was confidential,  in no time the entire ward seemed to know about it. So he was telling us in strictest confidence that he was getting pretty tired of so many people arriving late to church and asked us all keep it a big secret that he would prefer that everyone leave home for church meetings about 5 minutes sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to #14</p>
<p>Priesthood interviews are I think a bigger problem. We rely on a lay Priesthood that may not be very well trained or experienced in some cases. There is a tendency to feel justified in sharing difficult cases with the next guy up the line; Bishops telling Stake Presidents, etc., especially if the leader feels that he is in over his head. I don&#8217;t know the law in my state but I think that it might be a breech of clerical confidentality to tell other leaders the contents of these interviews in some cases. I know of one such a breech that happened in my ward and that it was damaging to those who had gone to their Bishop expecting confidential advice and help.</p>
<p>Another humorous comment our Bishop once made on this subject. He pointed out that when he announced something over the pulpit it seemed that no one was listening to him. But when he indicated in ward council that something was confidential,  in no time the entire ward seemed to know about it. So he was telling us in strictest confidence that he was getting pretty tired of so many people arriving late to church and asked us all keep it a big secret that he would prefer that everyone leave home for church meetings about 5 minutes sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90718</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to # 17:

In ward council and such meetings is where it gets interesting. We can find black and white examples where people were run off by gossip (# 5) and lives were saved (#13). But what about the nebulous area between, which is where I think ward council meetings sometimes fall? I have not sat in one of these meetings for a few years, but I recall a time listening to &quot;Dr.&quot; Laura on the radio blast someone for gossiping and suddenly I realized that we had been gossiping in ward council. It hit me like a ton of bricks.

The next Sunday in ward council I made a list of about a dozen statements that might or might not have been true made about various people. Then I set out to do a bit of detective work and find out the basic facts, by talking directly to those involved or otherwise finding first hand information. Surprize, in at least half of the cases the information shared in ward council was inaccurate. 

Whether the information is critical or hurtful is more subjective and difficult to evaluate, but I know of several instances where I was told byb a well meaning friend that someone said that some else said something less than lauditory about me and it hurt. People can be sensitive, especially about the sort of things likely to be of interest in ward council.

I believe that most people in ward council mean well, but they may not realize that what they 
intend to be helpful can be hurtful.

The next time it was my turn to share an inspirational thought in ward council, I presented some scriptural material about gossip and just asked those there what they thought about the possibility that it might be a problem in our ward councils. Everyone became very defensive, sounding like a bunch of children caught with their fingers in the cookie jar. 

I will be curious to see if anyone else feels guilty and finds the need to repent of a little well meaning gossip in ward council like I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to # 17:</p>
<p>In ward council and such meetings is where it gets interesting. We can find black and white examples where people were run off by gossip (# 5) and lives were saved (#13). But what about the nebulous area between, which is where I think ward council meetings sometimes fall? I have not sat in one of these meetings for a few years, but I recall a time listening to &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Laura on the radio blast someone for gossiping and suddenly I realized that we had been gossiping in ward council. It hit me like a ton of bricks.</p>
<p>The next Sunday in ward council I made a list of about a dozen statements that might or might not have been true made about various people. Then I set out to do a bit of detective work and find out the basic facts, by talking directly to those involved or otherwise finding first hand information. Surprize, in at least half of the cases the information shared in ward council was inaccurate. </p>
<p>Whether the information is critical or hurtful is more subjective and difficult to evaluate, but I know of several instances where I was told byb a well meaning friend that someone said that some else said something less than lauditory about me and it hurt. People can be sensitive, especially about the sort of things likely to be of interest in ward council.</p>
<p>I believe that most people in ward council mean well, but they may not realize that what they<br />
intend to be helpful can be hurtful.</p>
<p>The next time it was my turn to share an inspirational thought in ward council, I presented some scriptural material about gossip and just asked those there what they thought about the possibility that it might be a problem in our ward councils. Everyone became very defensive, sounding like a bunch of children caught with their fingers in the cookie jar. </p>
<p>I will be curious to see if anyone else feels guilty and finds the need to repent of a little well meaning gossip in ward council like I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90599</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(“Better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt,&quot; that is.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(“Better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt,&#8221; that is.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90598</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s one of those quotes that gets attributed to several people--I&#039;ve heard Mark Twain, Albert Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Ben Franklin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s one of those quotes that gets attributed to several people&#8211;I&#8217;ve heard Mark Twain, Albert Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Ben Franklin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: D-Train</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90596</link>
		<dc:creator>D-Train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly like gossip for the wrong, sinful reasons, but it has helped myself and a few friends to help others much more effectively than if we didn&#039;t have the information.  Most of the invitations to fellowship less active members or those in need of help haven&#039;t come in institutionally sponsored meetings, but through hearing some juicy tidbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly like gossip for the wrong, sinful reasons, but it has helped myself and a few friends to help others much more effectively than if we didn&#8217;t have the information.  Most of the invitations to fellowship less active members or those in need of help haven&#8217;t come in institutionally sponsored meetings, but through hearing some juicy tidbit.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90595</link>
		<dc:creator>danithew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin brings up an interesting point when he links gossip with priesthood interviews ... which leads to another question.  Bishopbric meetings, Ward Council Meetings, Elders Quorum presidency or Relief Society presidency meetings -- any leadership gatherings where the needs, capabilities, or worthiness of members are discussed.  To what degree do they present a forum for at the very least a pulled-punch kind of gossip?  I&#039;m thinking of the sort of comments where the bishop might say: &quot;Right now we aren&#039;t asking brother so-and-so to offer prayers or talks in church&quot; or the Relief Society president might say: &quot;Sister so-and-so is having a really rough time right now due to the fact that her husband doesn&#039;t have a job&quot; or the elders quorum president says: &quot;Sister so-and-so has asked that we not send hometeachers over anymore because it creates too many problems between her and her (non-LDS) husband.&quot;  Do these kind of statements qualify as a form of gossip -- even if they are being shared with the object of helping the church leadership to care for the flock?

I would think something similar might happen when names are being considered by a bishopbric or a presidency for callings -- that is a person&#039;s qualifications, capabilities, worthiness, etc. might be discussed to a certain extent.

The question is practical to a certain extent.  Organizations need to function and in order to function they must contemplate, share and discuss accurate positive or negative information about people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin brings up an interesting point when he links gossip with priesthood interviews &#8230; which leads to another question.  Bishopbric meetings, Ward Council Meetings, Elders Quorum presidency or Relief Society presidency meetings &#8212; any leadership gatherings where the needs, capabilities, or worthiness of members are discussed.  To what degree do they present a forum for at the very least a pulled-punch kind of gossip?  I&#8217;m thinking of the sort of comments where the bishop might say: &#8220;Right now we aren&#8217;t asking brother so-and-so to offer prayers or talks in church&#8221; or the Relief Society president might say: &#8220;Sister so-and-so is having a really rough time right now due to the fact that her husband doesn&#8217;t have a job&#8221; or the elders quorum president says: &#8220;Sister so-and-so has asked that we not send hometeachers over anymore because it creates too many problems between her and her (non-LDS) husband.&#8221;  Do these kind of statements qualify as a form of gossip &#8212; even if they are being shared with the object of helping the church leadership to care for the flock?</p>
<p>I would think something similar might happen when names are being considered by a bishopbric or a presidency for callings &#8212; that is a person&#8217;s qualifications, capabilities, worthiness, etc. might be discussed to a certain extent.</p>
<p>The question is practical to a certain extent.  Organizations need to function and in order to function they must contemplate, share and discuss accurate positive or negative information about people.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenEggz</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90593</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenEggz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gossip is anything negative, whether it is true or not.  If negative information needs to go to someone who has authority over the subject, such as parents or bishops, it should be done discreetly, and given only to the authority figure.

I realize it&#039;s not always clear what is public information that can, and sometimes should be repeated, and what should not be repeated.

Prov. 17: 28:   Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

Or as Ben Franklin (I think) said, &quot;Better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gossip is anything negative, whether it is true or not.  If negative information needs to go to someone who has authority over the subject, such as parents or bishops, it should be done discreetly, and given only to the authority figure.</p>
<p>I realize it&#8217;s not always clear what is public information that can, and sometimes should be repeated, and what should not be repeated.</p>
<p>Prov. 17: 28:   Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.</p>
<p>Or as Ben Franklin (I think) said, &#8220;Better to keep your mouth shut and thought a fool, than to open it, and remove all doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2005/08/gossip-is-good/#comment-90592</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love gossip.  I TIVO access Hollywood, and Entertainment tonight and I subscribe to the National Enquirer and Star magazine.

I love knowing everything about everybody.  I hate anybody knowing anything about me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love gossip.  I TIVO access Hollywood, and Entertainment tonight and I subscribe to the National Enquirer and Star magazine.</p>
<p>I love knowing everything about everybody.  I hate anybody knowing anything about me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin McGraw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin McGraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is an important way that we in the Church have institutionalized gossip (albeit a self-initiated form): Priesthood Interviews.

This is the place where we can say everything we need to get off our chest, or secretly want others to know.  This gets us off the hook for &#039;not trusting ourselves with our own secret&#039; (love that comment, JA), because it is a safe environment with a great amount of confidence (ideally, maybe there are Bishops who bring people&#039;s confessions home.  I hope not).

So if there is something about yourself that could assist others in knowing how best to help you or interpreting your behavior, tell it to your Priesthood leader who is obligated to use discretion, before the &quot;word gets out&quot;, which is not guaranteed to be a good thing.

This all assumes that you have a decent relationship with these guys, and feel you can tell them things.  I really enjoy having a Bishop my own age (27), so this helps me, but I think all Bishops can make themselves more accessible to all their members and remove any barriers that may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is an important way that we in the Church have institutionalized gossip (albeit a self-initiated form): Priesthood Interviews.</p>
<p>This is the place where we can say everything we need to get off our chest, or secretly want others to know.  This gets us off the hook for &#8216;not trusting ourselves with our own secret&#8217; (love that comment, JA), because it is a safe environment with a great amount of confidence (ideally, maybe there are Bishops who bring people&#8217;s confessions home.  I hope not).</p>
<p>So if there is something about yourself that could assist others in knowing how best to help you or interpreting your behavior, tell it to your Priesthood leader who is obligated to use discretion, before the &#8220;word gets out&#8221;, which is not guaranteed to be a good thing.</p>
<p>This all assumes that you have a decent relationship with these guys, and feel you can tell them things.  I really enjoy having a Bishop my own age (27), so this helps me, but I think all Bishops can make themselves more accessible to all their members and remove any barriers that may be.</p>
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		<title>By: ronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gossip, if malicious, or if rumor-mongering, isnt  to be encouraged. On the other  hand, finding out a lot of small details can be i ncredibly helpful at times. for example, a very close friend of mine has an almost 17 yr-old son. ( They are not LDS, btw). And it is from monitoring teenage gossip, that  they were able to find out that this otherwise outwardly very normal, healthy, successful, and friendly high school senior was very depressed, and was contemplating suicide, and he had made plans for actually carry out his plans. They were able ti intercede, along with the Priest and the youth leaders of their Parish, and offer this young man the help he desperately needed.
Gossip can be good, and indeed even life-saving at times. Therefore, I wonder the wisdom of  taking an absolutist and literal interpretation of the &quot;thou will not engage in gossip&quot;  rule.rule.position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gossip, if malicious, or if rumor-mongering, isnt  to be encouraged. On the other  hand, finding out a lot of small details can be i ncredibly helpful at times. for example, a very close friend of mine has an almost 17 yr-old son. ( They are not LDS, btw). And it is from monitoring teenage gossip, that  they were able to find out that this otherwise outwardly very normal, healthy, successful, and friendly high school senior was very depressed, and was contemplating suicide, and he had made plans for actually carry out his plans. They were able ti intercede, along with the Priest and the youth leaders of their Parish, and offer this young man the help he desperately needed.<br />
Gossip can be good, and indeed even life-saving at times. Therefore, I wonder the wisdom of  taking an absolutist and literal interpretation of the &#8220;thou will not engage in gossip&#8221;  rule.rule.position.</p>
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